JamesB Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I know that there has been a lot of discussion of the buyer vs. seller role already but the new information is the price we are seeing in the market. Am I the only person who thinks the price of rentals as we approach the trade deadline is crazy? Interestingly, LA just gave up McKeown AND a first round pick for Andej Sekera, who is a decent but smallish D who does not score enough to be legitimately viewed as an offensive D. He is supposed to be PMD (puck moving defenceman) but is only marginal in that role. This is interesting because the LA Kings gave up Vey to Vancouver last year in order to draft McKeown. So LA gave up Vey and a first round pick to rent a decent but not great player for a few months. I have also been amazed by what Toronto was able to get for Winnik, Santo, and Franson. The other moves have also surprised me. The cost is particular high because the draft is so strong and deep this year. As Benning has pointed out, just getting guys like Tanev and Burrows back is a bigger boost that most of these rentals (not to mention getting Edler back). At these prices the Canucks would be crazy to be buyers. I really would like the Canucks to be sellers instead. This is a great opportunity to really expand the pipeline and set the team up for future success. The Canucks will have a logjam in the line-up as guys come back from injury and need to make space. Picking up a couple of draft picks in the process would be great. However, from the sound of his recent interviews, it seems like Benning will not be trading any current roster players. But I don't see how the Canucks can send Kennins back to Utica given how well he has played and his chemistry with Horvat. With Burrows and Richardson coming back fairly soon two spots need to be freed up among the forwards. On D, I guess Biega sits out when Tanev comes back, but even that is not obvious. Any comments on how the Canucks should approach the situation. Like I said, I would favor making a couple of trades to acquire draft picks, but I guess that won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You buy when you think you're a piece or two away from the cup. That was back in 2011. Now we're rebuilding, not mortgaging the future, signing stop-gaps and making 'hockey trades' for youth while trying to remain competitive. I think we should still sell Matthias if prices are this high, but I can see why the Canucks won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Actually it makes you want to be a seller LOL But I think Benning knew this for a while, hence why he kept repeating he wouldn't trade picks and/or Prospects. Too bad our defense is banged up. With Edler and Tanev healthy, maybe we could have parted ways with Bieksa and/or Sbisa for a really good return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I know that there has been a lot of discussion of the buyer vs. seller role already but ... I knew I didn't need to read past there. I don't think many people thought we would be buyers, certainly not for any big names with big cap hits. If we haven't traded for a D to help us during the current injury crisis then I'm pretty sure that just solidified that expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I think it's going to be very quiet in JB's office on deadline day. I don't see many, if any, moves made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanghai owey Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I think Higgins is expendable for a second round pick potentially. Probably more a third. to a cup contender. Eddie Lack if he shines in the next few games as well could get a decent return. Kassian as well has picked it up to become good trade bait if bennning wants to make that move. Feel kassian could fetch a late first round pick. Also richardson could be expendable as Vey could take over 3rd line duties. I would want canucks to trade a combo of these pieces at the deadline, like Higgins and Lack for a first pick. Then I would draft best Defenceman first, folllowed by a winger. I think canucks should keep Matthias, he is a big body who seems like a good skater, and I think has the potential to get better with more confidence in him to take the puck to the net. Also a desirable player in the playoffs, but for that reason I think should keep him for ourselves. As well just turned 27, and is close to reaching the 20 goal milestone. Think hes a type of guy that keeps our third line solid, and a component that keeps our team competitive. If we were to trade him would rather do it in a year or two when hes showed more of what he can do and there are young players able to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Agreed. At the risk of using the "T" word around, we need to be cashing in on this overpriced market and moving at least one or two older guys that could definitely help a team that thinks it's close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckin Kingsly Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You buy when you think you're a piece or two away from the cup. That was back in 2011. Now we're rebuilding, not mortgaging the future, signing stop-gaps and making 'hockey trades' for youth while trying to remain competitive.I think we should still sell Matthias if prices are this high, but I can see why the Canucks won't.Agree with the first part, but not about trading mathhias unless its an absolute steal. Would love to resign this guy as he definitely looks to be finding his game and rounding into form this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I think Higgins is expendable for a second round pick potentially. Probably more a third. to a cup contender. Eddie Lack if he shines in the next few games as well could get a decent return. Kassian as well has picked it up to become good trade bait if bennning wants to make that move. Feel kassian could fetch a late first round pick. Also richardson could be expendable as Vey could take over 3rd line duties. I would want canucks to trade a combo of these pieces at the deadline, like Higgins and Lack for a first pick. Then I would draft best Defenceman first, folllowed by a winger. I think canucks should keep Matthias, he is a big body who seems like a good skater, and I think has the potential to get better with more confidence in him to take the puck to the net. Also a desirable player in the playoffs, but for that reason I think should keep him for ourselves. As well just turned 27, and is close to reaching the 20 goal milestone. Think hes a type of guy that keeps our third line solid, and a component that keeps our team competitive. If we were to trade him would rather do it in a year or two when hes showed more of what he can do and there are young players able to take over. I have no problem if they try and keep Mathias and Dorsett.You have to understand That Benning is not going to trade Lack before the deadline. Benning has been taking phone calls about Kassian and he has no intentions of trading him either. Why do you want to trade a 24 year old player? The problem I have is that in Lack we know what your going to get. Markstrom hasn't been proven to be a back up at the NHL LEVEL. Richardson is a UFA at the end of the year, and Vey imo is expendable when we have a guy like Gaunce in the system that could do the same thing. More or less if they could get rid some of the old core of Higgins then I'm fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewolydam Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 What about a hockey trade that makes us better now as well as for the future like... N Bonino & C Higgins for L Eriksson & J Caron Then... L Vey & N Jensen or H Shinkaruk for T Bozak & 3rd or 4th rounder This would give us a great 2nd line, Eriksson is 29 with 1 more year left on contract and bozak 28 with 3 more years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 The Canucks have proven this year that they can beat any given team on any given night although a seven game series against any of the powerhouses is a much more difficult task. I hope that management has determined which players and prospects they do not want moving forward. Then these assets can be traded for a better run for the cup and/or new picks and prospects. I am such a homer that I love all the Canucks, prospects and draft picks so any suggestion I could make will most likely be foolish. But JB is the master scout and player development expert and has massaged the management team into high performance. I have liked all the moves they have made so far and hope they continue to make lots of them. The team is playing well, working hard, and filling in for injured regulars. I think they deserve support in the playoffs. We could identify a weakness (e.g. PMD, top 6 FWD, etc), select players and prospects that do not fit the master plan long term, and package some up for a better chance of winning The Cup. I don't think we should just ignore the process because of some prediction that we can only go so far in the playoffs. For example, say they decide that Bonino just doesn't cut it at 2C and is too slow and expensive for 3C or something. They could trade Bonino, plus perhaps Grenier and a late (4th or 5th) round pick for a better 2C or a PMD. I hate putting names on these examples because I don't know squat; but JB & Co certainly do. A little cutting here, some new blood there, and everybody pumped for the playoffs! As long as what we give is not in the long-term plan anyway, we're not selling the farm, we're cutting the dead wood, and making room for new growth. Also, if we can get picks and/or prospects for the said identified dead wood, we could be expanding the pipeline as well. We can even trade picks, if they are part of package that brings back higher picks, and/or prospects in weak areas of the pipeline. So, I think we could be buyers and sellers; just not buyers of rental players nor sellers of assets we want to move forward with. Cut the dead wood, bulk up the team for the playoff run, and garner picks and prospects for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I think it's going to be very quiet in JB's office on deadline day. I don't see many, if any, moves made. that's what i'm thinking, outside of the odd small trade to shed some dead weight, there will be no blockbuster trades by the canucks (neither incoming nor outgoing). The team has played too well during these injuries to be sellers, but not realistically good enough to be buyers either (especially at these prices). if there is something too good to pass up we might consider it, but none of our valuable prospects or core players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 The "selling" trades we'll be making (if any) IMO are selling of redundancies like Higgins, Weber etc or any pending UFA's/RFA's Benning doesn't feel he can/will re-sign like Tanev/Matthias. (Those are more of a long shot though). Otherwise we will be making "hockey trades" similar to the ones for Pedan, Clendening etc. The only "buying" I'd like to do would be using our Miller injury LTIR cap space to acquire an overpriced but expiring contract from a team desperate for some cap space (to make deadline moves of their own) in exchange for picks/prospects. Similar to the Ehrhoff situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I just hope we can ship Higgins out for a late 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 While I love and cheer for ALL Canucks players I feel there are a few that could be moved. Higgins is one that comes to mind. He excels in the defensive aspects of the game but I could see a contender wanting his experience. I would not trade Hansen. He is the perfect bottom 6 player. Burr isn't going anywhere. Likely neither is Bieksa. However if Bieksa and/or Hamhuis was traded that might free up some cash to sign a FA defenseman, assuming there are any worth signing who are worth the money (ie not Franson). One of our goalies is going to have to be moved. I read that Markstrom is considering going back to Sweden is he doesn't get an NHL gig. I think Richardson is expendable, although I love his grit. I would love for the Canucks to add a couple more draft picks in the first 3 rounds this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I just hope we can ship Higgins out for a late 2nd. Or packaged for a near ready, high ceiling prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Icarus Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I really hope we sell one or two regulars (higgins?) to get draft picks because I doubt we're going on a cup run. But it seems like Benning is convinced that this team can do something in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanghai owey Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I have no problem if they try and keep Mathias and Dorsett.You have to understand That Benning is not going to trade Lack before the deadline. Benning has been taking phone calls about Kassian and he has no intentions of trading him either. Why do you want to trade a 24 year old player? The problem I have is that in Lack we know what your going to get. Markstrom hasn't been proven to be a back up at the NHL LEVEL. Richardson is a UFA at the end of the year, and Vey imo is expendable when we have a guy like Gaunce in the system that could do the same thing. More or less if they could get rid some of the old core of Higgins then I'm fine with it. Your right, I agree with what your saying. I guess I did not fully think out the ability of Markstrom and Miller to take over.However Lack and Higgins for a first would be awesome for the canucks prospect system in a draft this deep. If Markstrom could establish himself more in the nhl maybe its a move we would make with Lack next year. As for Kassian, I like him and what he brings however I think one of his biggest battles is consistency. Theres the obvious thinking of not giving up on a young player, and power forwards generally take longer. My only thinking is he needs a real kick to get his tires going it seems like from the coaching, and as hot as he is right now I've been watching the games and hes had some nice shots that have gone in, but on other shifts plays very calmly, with not as much emotion and intensity as you'd want from a player that you hope is gonna blossom. Personally i find it hard to imagine him as a top line player, and a bit as a second line player, due to the lack of points he puts up, and hard to see him really making a difference playing with a guy like Bonino, or a player maybe like Horvat in a few years. However for a third line player, I'd like to see a guy that has constant intentsity and buzzing around the ice creating opportunities and havoc everywhere, however again find it hard to see that in Kassians play. Obviously speculating about development of a young guy can be risky, but With bennings drafting, could be open to a different player in the draft and what he may bring, if in return it would be a first round pick. Love Kass but is truly a question mark of what ceilings he might reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Canucks' need to be sellers but they won't do that either. I'm not saying sell every player but I'm saying sell players like Higgins, richardson, matthias, Weber, Bieksa. Players who can fetch us some youth in the draft this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 mmm ok if benning can make a hockey trade he will do it, we need a center other than horvat that can win a draw as well as a pp qb either through draft or a trade. we also have youngsters knocking on door so richardson, weber and higgins are expendable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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