Mattrek Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Hey guys I'm new to the site, but I've been a long time fan of the Canucks since I was a little kid. I'm not sure if this topic is already out there either, so my apologies if it is. The Canucks have wayyy too many players right now and though I think that most of this will be sorted out in the off season I thought it'd be a good discussion to get people's thoughts on who should be traded and who should be kept for next season. Here's a list of all the players, the caps and where they're at in their contract: Henrik Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 million Daniel Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 million Radim Vrbata, 33, One more year, $5 million Alex Burrows, 33, Two more years, $4.5 million Chris Higgins, 31, Two more years, $2.5 million Jannik Hansen, 28, Three more years, $2.5 million Nick Bonino, 26, Two more years, $1.9 million Shawn Matthias, 27, Pending UFA, $1.75 million Zack Kassian, 24, One more year, $1.75 million Derek Dorsett, 28, Pending UFA, $1.63 million Bo Horvat, 19, Two more years, $1.51 million Brad Richardson, 30, Pending UFA, $1.15 million Linden Vey, 23, Pending RFA, $735,000 Ronalds Kenins, 23, Pending RFA, $363,000 Brandon McMillan, 24, Pending RFA, $198,000 DEFENCEMEN Alex Edler, 28, Four more years, $5 million Kevin Bieksa, 33, One more year, $4.6 million Dan Hamhuis, 32, One more year, $4.5 million Luca Sbisa, 25, Pending RFA, $2.17, million Chris Tanev, 25, Pending RFA, $2 million Yannick Weber, 26, Pending RFA, $850,000 Ryan Stanton, 25, Pending RFA, $550,000 Frank Corrado, 21, Pending RFA, $413,000 Adam Clendening, 22, Pending RFA, $358,000 Alex Biega, 26, Pending UFA, $223,000 GOAL Ryan Miller, 34, Two more years, $6 million Eddie Lack, 27, One more year, $1.15 million Jacob Markstrom, 25, Pending RFA, $310,000 What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 seems your list is accurate but there are sites that provide this info so this is just redundant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFan2323 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 you've been a member since 2010? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 I'm not just trying to provide a list, I'm just having all the information people need to be able to have an informed discussion about our excess of players and whether we should trade them or keep them for the future. Yes I joined way back and have been lurking ever since. I'm starting to find my way around a bit and with me being bed ridden for the next week I had some spare time and wanted to see fellow Canucks fans opinions on this problem (though it's better to have too many players then not enough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Based on what I've seen up to this point in the season. My 13 forwards would be (no particular order): 1 Henrik Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 million 2 Daniel Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 million 3 Radim Vrbata, 33, One more year, $5 million 4 Alex Burrows, 33, Two more years, $4.5 million5 Jannik Hansen, 28, Three more years, $2.5 million6 Nick Bonino, 26, Two more years, $1.9 million 7 Shawn Matthias, 27, Pending UFA, $1.75 million 8 Zack Kassian, 24, One more year, $1.75 million9 Derek Dorsett, 28, Pending UFA, $1.63 million10 Bo Horvat, 19, Two more years, $1.51 million11 Linden Vey, 23, Pending RFA, $735,00012 Ronalds Kenins, 23, Pending RFA, $363,000 13 Chris Higgins, 31, Two more years, $2.5 million Brad Richardson, 30, Pending UFA, $1.15 million -let walk Brandon McMillan, 24, Pending RFA, $198,000 -don't careMy 8 defencemen would be:1 Alex Edler, 28, Four more years, $5 million2 Kevin Bieksa, 33, One more year, $4.6 million3 Dan Hamhuis, 32, One more year, $4.5 million4 Luca Sbisa, 25, Pending RFA, $2.17, million5 Chris Tanev, 25, Pending RFA, $2 million 6 Ryan Stanton, 25, Pending RFA, $550,000 7 Frank Corrado, 21, Pending RFA, $413,000 8 Adam Clendening, 22, Pending RFA, $358,000 Yannick Weber, 26, Pending RFA, $850,000 -deal rights away for whatever you can getAlex Biega, 26, Pending UFA, $223,000 -if unhappy as AHL depth, let walk My two goalies right now would still be Miller and Lack. I need to see what Markstrom can do in the NHL before I get rid of Lack. This is all assuming no UFAs get signed and no trades are made. I think Kenins has earned a spot on the roster next year (not to say he won't get sent down to make room for returning injured players this year). If 8 D is an untenable situation, Stanton would be the one I'd trade away. edit: I'm also assuming nobody is waiving their NTCs. I think Higgins is expendable and many people here talk as if they'll be massively disappointed if Benning doesn't trade him. Well, it's not up to Benning if Higgins declines to waive his NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Im certain I've never used conundrum my entire life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Im certain I've never used conundrum my entire life But you're used to using lego pieces so what does that say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Im certain I've never used conundrum my entire life "Canucks have too many players to sign for next season with not enough cap space, so who should we keep and who should we trade?" just didn't sound as catchy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 This isn't as humdrum as a casual conundrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 too many rooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saucypass Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I'm pretty sure if we traded Bieksa to another team, we could easily get him back on through FA when his contract is up and sign him to a cheaper contract. I love Burrows, but the dude is way too expensive for what he brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Based on what I've seen up to this point in the season. My 13 forwards would be (no particular order): 1 Henrik Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 million2 Daniel Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 million3 Radim Vrbata, 33, One more year, $5 million4 Alex Burrows, 33, Two more years, $4.5 million5 Jannik Hansen, 28, Three more years, $2.5 million6 Nick Bonino, 26, Two more years, $1.9 million7 Shawn Matthias, 27, Pending UFA, $1.75 million8 Zack Kassian, 24, One more year, $1.75 million9 Derek Dorsett, 28, Pending UFA, $1.63 million10 Bo Horvat, 19, Two more years, $1.51 million11 Linden Vey, 23, Pending RFA, $735,00012 Ronalds Kenins, 23, Pending RFA, $363,00013 Chris Higgins, 31, Two more years, $2.5 millionBrad Richardson, 30, Pending UFA, $1.15 million -let walkBrandon McMillan, 24, Pending RFA, $198,000 -don't care My 8 defencemen would be:1 Alex Edler, 28, Four more years, $5 million2 Kevin Bieksa, 33, One more year, $4.6 million3 Dan Hamhuis, 32, One more year, $4.5 million4 Luca Sbisa, 25, Pending RFA, $2.17, million5 Chris Tanev, 25, Pending RFA, $2 million 6 Ryan Stanton, 25, Pending RFA, $550,000 7 Frank Corrado, 21, Pending RFA, $413,0008 Adam Clendening, 22, Pending RFA, $358,000Yannick Weber, 26, Pending RFA, $850,000 -deal rights away for whatever you can getAlex Biega, 26, Pending UFA, $223,000 -if unhappy as AHL depth, let walk My two goalies right now would still be Miller and Lack. I need to see what Markstrom can do in the NHL before I get rid of Lack. This is all assuming no UFAs get signed and no trades are made. I think Kenins has earned a spot on the roster next year (not to say he won't get sent down to make room for returning injured players this year). If 8 D is an untenable situation, Stanton would be the one I'd trade away. edit: I'm also assuming nobody is waiving their NTCs. I think Higgins is expendable and many people here talk as if they'll be massively disappointed if Benning doesn't trade him. Well, it's not up to Benning if Higgins declines to waive his NTC. Except Higgins is 4th on our team in points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Henrik Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 millionDaniel Sedin, 34, Three more years, $7 million Radim Vrbata, 33, One more year, $5 millionAlex Burrows, 33, Two more years, $4.5 millionChris Higgins, 31, Two more years, $2.5 million Jannik Hansen, 28, Three more years, $2.5 million Nick Bonino, 26, Two more years, $1.9 million Shawn Matthias, 27, Pending UFA, $1.75 million Zack Kassian, 24, One more year, $1.75 million Derek Dorsett, 28, Pending UFA, $1.63 million Bo Horvat, 19, Two more years, $1.51 million Brad Richardson, 30, Pending UFA, $1.15 million Linden Vey, 23, Pending RFA, $735,000 Ronalds Kenins, 23, Pending RFA, $363,000Brandon McMillan, 24, Pending RFA, $198,000 DEFENCEMEN Alex Edler, 28, Four more years, $5 millionKevin Bieksa, 33, One more year, $4.6 million Dan Hamhuis, 32, One more year, $4.5 million Luca Sbisa, 25, Pending RFA, $2.17, million Chris Tanev, 25, Pending RFA, $2 million Yannick Weber, 26, Pending RFA, $850,000 Ryan Stanton, 25, Pending RFA, $550,000 Frank Corrado, 21, Pending RFA, $413,000 Adam Clendening, 22, Pending RFA, $358,000 Alex Biega, 26, Pending UFA, $223,000 GOALRyan Miller, 34, Two more years, $6 million Eddie Lack, 27, One more year, $1.15 million Jacob Markstrom, 25, Pending RFA, $310,000 What do you think? I bolded all the guys that are overpaid. If we had fair-value deals like the Flames do and didn't get screwed over by Gillis on the NTCs, we could have an insane top 9 right about now. We still kinda do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I bolded all the guys that are overpaid. If we had fair-value deals like the Flames do and didn't get screwed over by Gillis on the NTCs, we could have an insane top 9 right about now. We still kinda do. None of those guys except bieksa and Miller are overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 None of those guys except bieksa and Miller are overpaid. The Sedins are worth $5m or $6m. Not $7m. Burrows is worth about $2.5m. Higgins, yeah. Hansen's worth about $2m. That's $4.5m saved right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 There are a few instances where the numbers in the original post are meaningless for consideration of next season. It doesn't work to just look at the cap hit column in nhlnumbers. One example is Markstrom. His cap hit column on nhlnumbers is 0.31 as you've listed, but it shows his cap number as $1.2 million and his salary at $1.4 million. The qualifying offer for a player making over $1 million is 100% of the existing salary and if the club instead elects arbitration the award can't be less than 85% of his existing salary. Another example is Luca Sbisa. His salary this season is $2.9 million. The $2.17 million figure is meaningless for next season-a qualifying offer would have to be not less than $2.9 million and if the club chooses arbitration the arbitrator would choose a number that can't be less than $2.465 million and can be more. Dorsett's salary is $2 million. Kenins is 0.718 million. McMillan is .625 mill. Corrado's is .575, Clendening's .818, Biega .6. Those are just the pending free agents. I haven't commented on others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 I'm pretty sure if we traded Bieksa to another team, we could easily get him back on through FA when his contract is up and sign him to a cheaper contract. I love Burrows, but the dude is way too expensive for what he brings. Bieksa is a tough one. We saw what happened with Edler from last season. Will he rebound next year? Or should we try to get some picks and free up some cap space while he still has a relatively high value? Same with Higgins and Burrows. I like the dudes a lot, but we need to get younger and stronger and I think we should sell while the price this year is ridiculously high to get as much as we can for them. They only have 5 years or so max left in them, so why not get some good prospects and draft picks for the future (not like we're lacking any though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 None of those guys except bieksa and Miller are overpaid. Add Burrows and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 There are a few instances where the numbers in the original post are meaningless for consideration of next season. It doesn't work to just look at the cap hit column in nhlnumbers. One example is Markstrom. His cap hit column on nhlnumbers is 0.31 as you've listed, but it shows his cap number as $1.2 million and his salary at $1.4 million. The qualifying offer for a player making over $1 million is 100% of the existing salary and if the club instead elects arbitration the award can't be less than 85% of his existing salary. Another example is Luca Sbisa. His salary this season is $2.9 million. The $2.17 million figure is meaningless for next season-a qualifying offer would have to be not less than $2.9 million and if the club chooses arbitration the arbitrator would choose a number that can't be less than $2.465 million and can be more. Dorsett's salary is $2 million. Kenins is 0.718 million. McMillan is .625 mill. Corrado's is .575, Clendening's .818, Biega .6. Those are just the pending free agents. I haven't commented on others. I didn't know that, thanks for the info! I just copied the list from the province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 seems your list is accurate but there are sites that provide this info so this is just redundant This we already have threads like this. http://forum.canucks...which-one-goes/ http://forum.canucks...trade-deadline/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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