S N Y P E R S 7 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hi Nuck Nation, S7 here. I am aware that there is a crowd, albeit constituted by a fairly limited number of fans, that is distressed by the fact that the Vancouver Canucks traded their natural 2nd round pick in a fairly strong ("deep") for offensive forward prospect Sven Baertschi. This leaves the Canucks with a natural 1st round pick, a natural 4th round pick, a natural 5th round pick, a N.Y.R. 5th round pick, and a natural 6th round pick. The argument is that all of the high-end talent will be sucked dry by the time the 4th round rolls around. See this PANIC Button? I don't. There will be plenty of quality prospects that will be available in rounds 4-6. Here's a list of prospects that I would categorize as late-round draft steals if they are available at/around/below the 4th round (*the players listed could be picked in rounds 1-3; the list doesn't include players I deem 1-3 round "locks"): Gabriel Gagne Thomas Schemitsch Loik Leveille Dmytro Timashov Robin Kovacs Kevin Stenlund Alexandre Carrier Pius Suter Chris Martenet Jack McNeely Giorgio Estephan Keegan Kolesar Jacob Olson Stephen Desrocher Caleb Jones Marcus Vela Trent Fox Colton White Olivier Galipeau Colt Conrad Tate Olson A.J. Greer Justin Lemcke Stepan Falkovsky Tory Dello Roy Radke Joey Daccord Medric Mercier Spencer Smallman Colin Fontana Anyways, these are just a few possibilities. There are a ton of other players of high quality who will be available at the lower-round draft areas. If you want to find out more about any of the players available for the draft, want insight about a player for this or a future year's draft, or are wondering if _________ will be available at _ spot, please don't hesitate to PM me. Remember: Don't Worry. Be Happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Honestly, Benning said he loved draft pick. We have a ton of players that are going to be moved with more youth coming in next year. They will all garner in picks. Lack will fetch a 2nd for sure. Higgins and Richardson might. We'll be getting many more picks at the draft. Don't understand all the panic for giving up a second round pick, especially for a talent like Baertschi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Honestly, Benning said he loved draft pick. We have a ton of players that are going to be moved with more youth coming in next year. They will all garner in picks. Lack will fetch a 2nd for sure. Higgins and Richardson might.We'll be getting many more picks at the draft. Don't understand all the panic for giving up a second round pick, especially for a talent like Baertschi. True. I mean, I don't understand it either, but there are always those people who like LOVE the draft. (*raises hand*) This is just goin' on the assumption that the Nucks aren't able to accumulate any more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Benning is going to make some deals for picks at the deadline. Smart man. Trade picks away now for future/something that might help in the playoffs, but come draft day you know he's going to be trading away veterans like Higgins, Richardson (maybe Hansen), or hopefully Bieksa for those 2nd/3rd round picks. I think he's going to try and move up in the draft from around our #17 area to the top-10 though in a blockbuster. Maybe 1st + Cassels for a top 10 pick to get a star center for this team's future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Honestly, Benning said he loved draft pick. We have a ton of players that are going to be moved with more youth coming in next year. They will all garner in picks. Lack will fetch a 2nd for sure. Higgins and Richardson might. We'll be getting many more picks at the draft. Don't understand all the panic for giving up a second round pick, especially for a talent like Baertschi. It's not likely that any of the pending UFAs (Dorsett, Richardson and Matthias), if un-signed by the Canucks, will get us any draft picks. That ship sailed out of port yesterday. The only scenario is if a team really wanted an un-signed UFA is to give up a late draft pick for the exclusive right to negotiate for a certain period of time, but even that has lost any value as teams can start negotiating earlier (I believe 2-3 days in advance of expiry date). You're right, though. The Canucks still have a number of assets that it can move for picks in this year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 True. I mean, I don't understand it either, but there are always those people who like LOVE the draft. (*raises hand*) This is just goin' on the assumption that the Nucks aren't able to accumulate any more picks. Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I love the draft too, lol, but I don't see how a 2nd > Baertschi right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'm honestly going to miss Bieksa and Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I love the draft too, lol, but I don't see how a 2nd > Baertschi right now. its not sven will be in our top six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 A better arguement for not panicing about this trade is the last time the Canucks got a decent player in the 2nd round was in 2005 with Mason Raymond (too early to tell with Demko), before that it we have to go back to 1994 when we drafted Dave Scatchard. So basically once every 10 years the Canucks have drafted a half way decent player in the 2nd round. Sven already looks like he has the potential to be better then Raymond and Scatchard so I'm pretty happy with this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 OMG YOU JUST GAVE IT ALL AWAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 its not sven will be in our top six Baertschi-Bonino-Vrbata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Travis Green will turn him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 A better arguement for not panicing about this trade is the last time the Canucks got a decent player in the 2nd round was in 2005 with Mason Raymond (too early to tell with Demko), before that it we have to go back to 1994 when we drafted Dave Scatchard. So basically once every 10 years the Canucks have drafted a half way decent player in the 2nd round. Sven already looks like he has the potential to be better then Raymond and Scatchard so I'm pretty happy with this trade. We can agree that the Canucks have not drafted well during the Nonis and Gillis years. However, one advantage of hiring Benning is that he is regarded as an excellent judge of talent. If the Canucks are ever going to contend for a Cup they need to outdraft other teams, and that is Benning's game. And if last year is any indication, things are going well so far. A good team needs to draft well in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. There is a lot of data on this. Most first rounders become NHL regulars at some point in their careers. For second rounders the number drops down to about a third.. And for third rounders we are looking at maybe a quarter. But that means you need a significant number of successful picks for those rounds to have a good team. For the 4th round and beyond we are looking at lottery tickets with about 15% of players making it. See, for example, http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/6/27/5845256/nhl-draft-2014-analysis-luck. But I have no problem with the moves Benning is making. He is not trading picks for rentals. He is trading picks for prospects and that is okay if the prospects are better than the expected value of a pick. I think that is true with both Baertschi and Vey, and I love the Glendenning deal. And I think we can agree that giving up a third rounder for Dorsett was okay, even though that was only for one year as Dorsett is a UFA this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 We're gonna get that 2nd round pick back when we have to trade one of our goalies. Plus at least 1 or 2 roster players MUST be moved so we will be getting more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I know this will be hard to believe, but I am not upset about trading our 2nd...........there is still tons of opportunity to trade away players before the draft begins.......not worried! The only thing that has me wondering, is what will the values be at draft time? I mean they sure were pretty high at the trade deadline. But we will see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Benning knows he has extra pieces to move for 2nd, 3rd round picks. It's just too bad certain people in the media and certain fans can only see what is in front of their face this very second. So far away from pick 31, so much can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 OMG YOU JUST GAVE IT ALL AWAY! Hopefully I gave it all away to the right people. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on the cycle Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Meh, I'm sure we'll pick up a few picks at the draft. We still have Vets and a goaltender could easily be moved; probably Lack considering he has a year left on his deal and Markstrom is still an RFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 For Those Upset The Canucks Don't Own A 2015 2nd//3rd Rd. Pick - yet. They could trade a body and / or another pick and move up if they wanted to. They did it before. They can do it again. I'm not concerned at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActiveDouble Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Even if they didn't have one at the draft day, Sven Baertschi would be like 3-4 years into development than lets say a 17/18 year old 2nd round pick that would need more developing time usually around 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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