AnotherCanucksFan Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 My question is are the PP coaches actually telling the players to not shoot from the point or block the goalie or are the Players ( I'm pointing mostly at the Sedins ) simply ignoring their instructions? If we go back over the past few years, we see a dramatic drop in the effectiveness of the Canuck's PP. 2009-10 Season: 6th ranked PPwith 296 opps at 24.3% 2010-11 Season: 1st ranked PP with 325 opps at 20.9% 2011-12 Season: 4th ranked PP with 288 opps at 19.8% 2012-13 Season: 22nd ranked PP with 165 opps at 15.8% ( 48 game season ) 2013-14 Season: 26th ranked PP with 257 opps at 15.2% 2014-15 Season: 19th ranked PP with 191 opps at 17.8% ( after 64 games ) We know one reason for the dramatic drop from 2011 to 2012 seasons is the team was mentally gone after losing the Cup. Now we're 3 seasons away from the lost Cup and the PP is still looking at being ranked around 20-25th out of 30 teams. What do you think are the factors currently causing the Canucks to continue to be bad on the PP? Is it: - bad coaching? Are the Canucks coaches telling players to pass the puck around or shoot / block goalie more? - bad PP setup? Where most good PP teams shoot from the point and block the goalie and get rebounds to score, the Canucks often don't have anyone in front of the net for long periods of time while they pass the puck around looking for the perfect shot. The result is no SOG and loss of the puck. - lack of scoring Point man? In 2010, Christian Ehrhoff had 50 points at 209 SOG, and Alexander Edler had 33 points and 121 SOG. In 2013-14 it was Jason Garrison at 33 points and 181 SOG. In 2014-15, Canucks highest scoring Dman is Edler at 17 points and 135 SOG after 64 games. Nashville's Weber has 43 pts on 195 SOG and Roman Josi has 47 pts on 159 SOG ( 354 SOG for two Dmen ) . Most of the top scoring Dman in the league are averaging over 150 SOG and average scoring PCT is around 7, while Edler's PCT is 3.7. Dan Hamhuis only has 53 SOG. Edler + Hamhuis = 188 SOG Our top scoring Dman is ranked 329th in the NHL in scoring / pts. - lack of quality faceoff guy? Is Kesler a missing link that we haven't replaced, so we're losing too many draws? Kesler's faceoff win % is 55.7 this year vs Henrik Sedin at 46.9% In 2010 Henrik was at 52% and Kesler was at 57.4%, so Henrik has dipped over 5% points while Kesler's has dipped under 2% in 2014-15 - lack of SOG in general Daniel Sedin in 2010-11 had 266 SOG and in 2014-15 projected 213 SOG. Last year his SOG were 221. Overall points is much better than last year, but that's a huge drop in SOG. The key difference in addition to total SOG is also Daniel's scoring % has dropped almost 50% from over 15% in 2011 to over 8% in 2014. In 2010-11Henrik had 157 SOG and PCT 12% and in 2014 has 76 SOG but an improved PCT of over 19%. A key piece of the scoring puzzle is Alex Burrows who was at his prime in 2010-11 season when he had 48 pts, 152 SOG, and a scoring PCT of 17%. In 2014-15 his scoring PCT is down to 10% When two of your top line have their scoring PCT go down by 40-50% it's going to mean a lot less goals for the team, which puts more pressure on the PP to score. So what will make the PP better again? - allowing the Dmen to shoot more from the point and put Burrows or Kassian in front? - put more SOG in general? - reposition the Sedins away from the boards and closer the faceoff circle to shoot at the net? Is the personel there to get the goals from the point even we do more shoot / block more or are we stuck with our current pass alot approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 My question is are the PP coaches actually telling the players to not shoot from the point or block the goalie or are the Players ( I'm pointing mostly at the Sedins ) simply ignoring their instructions? If we go back over the past few years, we see a dramatic drop in the effectiveness of the Canuck's PP. 2009-10 Season: 6th ranked PPwith 296 opps at 24.3% 2010-11 Season: 1st ranked PP with 325 opps at 20.9% 2011-12 Season: 4th ranked PP with 288 opps at 19.8% 2012-13 Season: 22nd ranked PP with 165 opps at 15.8% ( 48 game season ) 2013-14 Season: 26th ranked PP with 257 opps at 15.2% 2014-15 Season: 19th ranked PP with 191 opps at 17.8% ( after 64 games ) - lack of scoring Point man? In 2010, Christian Ehrhoff had 50 points at 209 SOG, and Alexander Edler had 33 points and 121 SOG. In 2013-14 it was Jason Garrison at 33 points and 181 SOG. In 2014-15, Canucks highest scoring Dman is Edler at 17 points and 135 SOG after 64 games. Nashville's Weber has 43 pts on 195 SOG and Roman Josi has 47 pts on 159 SOG ( 354 SOG for two Dmen ) . Most of the top scoring Dman in the league are averaging over 150 SOG and average scoring PCT is around 7, while Edler's PCT is 3.7. Dan Hamhuis only has 53 SOG. Edler + Hamhuis = 188 SOG Our top scoring Dman is ranked 329th in the NHL in scoring / pts. We've had issues since we lost the only true powerplay quarterback we've had in 10 years; look at the stats. Christian Ehrhoff left and took our powerplay with him. and after that, we "survived" in the powerplay ranking for a season or two with Garrison/Salo, and then finally with them gone, we have nobody left that can properly quarterback a Canucks powerplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmotamed Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Salo was a beast from the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Never realized how dependant our PP was on guys like Salo and Erhoff until they left. No one in the system who looks like they can provide that too (Maybe Subban). Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 We need someone with a big shot that people have to be worried about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyBoy44 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I don't think its a matter of more or less of another but more of the strategy. From the games I've had a chance to watch they don't do enough open plays. Other teams seem to be far above us when it comes to making the zone look wide open for better plays. The canucks seem to bunch together a lot and that looks pretty damn easy to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 We've had issues since we lost the only true powerplay quarterback we've had in 10 years; look at the stats. Christian Ehrhoff left and took our powerplay with him. and after that, we "survived" in the powerplay ranking for a season or two with Garrison/Salo, and then finally with them gone, we have nobody left that can properly quarterback a Canucks powerplay.Our powerplay was still good when we won the pres cup without him the next season.What killed it was the clutch and grab that creeped back into the game and yes, now a lack of back end talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 One thing I noticed just in general is the Canucks weak passing plays. They always seem to bobble the puck or pass it off the mark. Every other team, it looks like a second nature for them. Granted the Canucks do make some good plays here and there like the Higgins goal last night, but they need to be more consistent. It's one reason why we were so successful in 2011, the Canucks could just pass, pass, pass all day. Spreading teams out and moving the puck around with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharnhayre Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Canucks don't have a quarterback on the PP anymore since Ehrhoff. Faceoffs are also a big key to getting set up down in their zone. More shots from the point are needed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherCanucksFan Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 If losing Erhoff and then Garrison/Salo was an issue. Why did we give up the only Dman with a shot? What's confusing is that the good PP teams shoot / block more and don't use the system we do with the Sedins at the side / behind the net shooting out. The biggest problem I see with the current PP setup is that any pucks that are lost go away from the goalie, whereas when shooting from the point the pucks will bounce towards the goalie. Doesn't it make more sense to increase the chances the puck will bounce off of someone as the pucks goes toward the net rather than the chance the puck will get turned over and become a 2 on 1 against us? Do you think the PP coach is telling the PP unit to shoot / block and they just aren't listening or are they afraid to tell the Sedins what to do because of the players seniority on the team? Do we need to aquire a Dman with a better shot or do we just need to shoot / block more and see what happens? It seems right now that our PP is very predictable and players just press the Sedins against the boards and the PP becomes stagnant ( which I still don't why is not a holding penalty? - and has been happening without penalties since the Boston series ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Let's trade Vey for Garrison again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The problem is our PP set up doesn't spread the defense out when they pass it around. They literally just turn in place to cover whoever receives the pass. With two point men who alternate diving in deep you create movement and havoc. Way too stationary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The elements on it have diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Traffic in front + slapshot. Even Hasek can't stop that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The issue is we've become predictable. The Canucks will never enter the zone and take a shot. We're always dumping and chasing. We need puck possession, and short, quick passes, and our skaters need to keep thier feet moving. We're always stuck with the drop pass (horrible!), or the stretch pass. We don't pass crisply enough, we don't shoot often enough, and we don't crash the net and screen the netminder. I can't wait for Virtanen at least he crashes the net. Maybe Bearcheese will go to the dirty areas too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Name a Defenseman who can get the shot through like Bo Sang on Canucks' 33 second mark. Keep enjoying your Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 My question is are the PP coaches actually telling the players to not shoot from the point or block the goalie or are the Players ( I'm pointing mostly at the Sedins ) simply ignoring their instructions? ... We don't know, and we'd have to ask the Sedins and coaches that directly to find out. But we do need to shoot more in general. We finally got some shots in that one burst last night after so much frustration - and that's too much really to do regularly - but we often spend too much time setting up and not really taking shots. An example was one of the powerplays last night before we got the burst of shots (I think it was the start of the double minor) where Arizona had collapsed down and someone made a pass from the left boards all the way across the slot to Henrik waiting on the very far side by the right boards. There was nobody near the puck during the whole pass across the ice and it took so long to get across with Henrik so far out of the play that Smith had plenty of time to get across. That's a spot where Henrik should have moved laterally across ice as the play opened up, and it would have given him an excellent opportunity to shoot. Instead he just received the pass and went back into the cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagorim Jarg Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Steve Passmore on the powerplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I think it is a combination of things. First and foremost it's that the Sedins can't make the passes as fast as they used to and here's why: they simply don't have the options they used to have. Ehrhoff and the Sedins were a match made in heaven. Salo had 10 years of chemistry with the Sedins. Kesler provided net front presence which most of our team is afraid to provide since they get called for goalie interference calls. Garrison had no effect whatsoever. At the end of the day the only thing that has gotten better is Edler. Everything else has either diminished or disappeared altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherCanucksFan Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share Posted March 6, 2015 I'd like to know where the PP goals are being scored from, ie ) the point or the slot? I'm guessing that most of the goals are shot from the point and deflected. Anyone know this stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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