Nuxfanabroad Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Kessel to Philly, for their 2 1st rounders(Philly & TBay's, let's guess 10th & 23rd), + Vinny LeCav. Saw this suggested on HFBoards, & think the idea's interesting. Of course, both TO & Philly fans were skewering the notion, for various reasons. After Nonis is gone, I'd like to see TO turn 'round, somewhat. That said, I think their fanbase is finally accepting a 3~5 yr window(minimum?) to get things set right. So with this deal, LeCav being mediocre/often LTIR wouldn't matter for his 3 or 4 yrs remaining. The idea is take back a lame contract, to get more return for their more valuable assets. So then with Phaneuf, you do the same. Get say, Dallas to send a lousy contract(eg:Hemsky), & another nice pick & prospect, for TO's future. Might they also consider the idea, with desirable contracts/younger players like JVR's? By the time they build a decent team, he'll be pushing 30 anyways... Their fans would understand what's up, & they'd probably continue filling the ACC, with hopes for the future. So they'd build a nearly cap-ceiling team, filled with aging, decrepit stiffs & scrubs. Meanwhile their collection of youth(NCAA, jrs & Marlies) would start filling to the brim. So should the Blue & white become a cap-sponge to absorb various teams careless contracts? I'd suggest they could speed up a rebuild, perhaps 2~3 seasons more quickly. Again, no dog in this fight. Mostly interested in the theory, & whether anyone thinks the Leafs might turn sharply in this direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Philly is way too close to the cap with this. And two firsts? Only if they take Pronger too. Even still 1 first would be the best I'd offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yeah Pronger, or perhaps Umberger? If TO did the 'Horton deal' with 3 or 4 different cases, I wonder if the league would be comfortable with it? Pretty expensive mop & bucket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Value wise its not bad but both Simmonds and Voracek are both RW as well. Needs wise it doesn't make sense for Philly and Toronto declines as its not worth taking upon Lecavalier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Ed Snider is one of the richest owners in the league. Pronger's contract is not the same as Horton's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOL_dre Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yeah Pronger, or perhaps Umberger? If TO did the 'Horton deal' with 3 or 4 different cases, I wonder if the league would be comfortable with it? Pretty expensive mop & bucket... The Horton deal was a special case you likely won't see a deal like that again. Every team knows the danger of not insuring large contracts and if any team was considering doing it they've likely learnt their lesson from what happened in Columbus. I think the only reason the league allowed that trade was because they want to make it easier financially on the weaker markets and Toronto was willing to eat the cost of Horton's uninsured contract. Normally injured players like Pronger don't cost their team anything as insurance covers their salary and LTIR covers their cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 LTIR also does not mean you have cap space worth the amount of the cap hit of the player on LTIR. In the NHL the cap space is pro rated or accrues over a time. So if I keep 2M worth of free cap space by the time the deadline comes around I can acquire a player with a cap hit higher than that amount. In the case of the LTIR player, cap space does not accrue. Its a big disadvantage that people fail to acknowledge. LTIR comes at a cost, ask Bruins and Flyers fans how much of a pain it can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster6 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Philly is way too close to the cap with this. And two firsts? Only if they take Pronger too. Even still 1 first would be the best I'd offer. That's all I'd wanna give up for him as well. The thing is, for TOR to give him up that cheap, they'd be practicing horrible asset management. So I doubt they'll settle for just a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOL_dre Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 LTIR also does not mean you have cap space worth the amount of the cap hit of the player on LTIR. In the NHL the cap space is pro rated or accrues over a time. So if I keep 2M worth of free cap space by the time the deadline comes around I can acquire a player with a cap hit higher than that amount. In the case of the LTIR player, cap space does not accrue. Its a big disadvantage that people fail to acknowledge. LTIR comes at a cost, ask Bruins and Flyers fans how much of a pain it can be. Well this is true as LTIR is meant for teams to bring in a replacement player and not as a way to make cap disappear. Teams will not be lining up to trade LTIR players for players on bad contracts which can handcuff the team more. This is why teams with these players didn't use compliancy buyouts on them. For example if you have Pronger on LTIR you can go over the cap by up to his $5M cap hit for a replacement. If you were to trade him for Clarkson you would be stuck with Clarkson's $5M cap hit with no wiggle room. And for the reasons you stated teams are not willing to take LTIR players back as cap dumps in trades. So you will likely never see a trade like the Horton trade ever again. Edit: Totally forgot you can't buyout injured players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Send Kessel to NYI to play with Tavares. Islanders have more than enough youth to make the deal happen. Strome Ho Sang Dal Colle Reinhart Lee Plus they have a ton of young already NHL proven players 26 and under Grabner Cizikas Nelson Bailey More than enough pieces to get a deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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