winthecup Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Derp... said: I think we win a lottery spot in the top 3 this year. Trouble is what to do with it if we don't have our top D prospect. I would definitely trade to get a top D prospect with that pick. For instance, Let's say we trade the pick to Winnipeg for Morrissey and there pick so we give them the #2 for Morrissey and let's say the number 6 pick. Then at number 6 we take BPA, could be Chychrun, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winthecup Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Derp... said: I think we win a lottery spot in the top 3 this year. Trouble is what to do with it if we don't have our top D prospect. I would definitely trade to get a top D prospect with that pick. For instance, Let's say we trade the pick to Winnipeg for Morrissey and there pick so we give them the #2 for Morrissey and let's say the number 6 pick. Then at number 6 we take BPA, could be Chychrun, Dubois, Juolevi, Serg, whoever JB thinks has the best chance. I wouldn't trade any of the top 3 picks for a lower pick to get a d-man. The top 3 picks (Matthews and the 2 big fin boys) are future franchise players and probably are the only players in this draft that are ready to step into the NHL next season. You don't let those type of players slip out of your grasp. The d-men in this draft may be good but there is question marks on whether they will be NHL franchise d-men. The Canucks are just beginning the rebuild phase and will draft a good d-man in another years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 1 minute ago, winthecup said: I wouldn't trade any of the top 3 picks for a lower pick to get a d-man. The top 3 picks (Matthews and the 2 big fin boys) are future franchise players and probably are the only players in this draft that are ready to step into the NHL next season. You don't let those type of players slip out of your grasp. The d-men in this draft may be good but there is question marks on whether they will be NHL franchise d-men. The Canucks are just beginning the rebuild phase and will draft a good d-man in another years draft. So who do you trade Virtanen, Boeser, Shinkaruk or Baertschi, cause those guys look to be our top 6 wingers for the next 7-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Just as bad as the Canucks needing a number one Dman for the future they need top line prospects. I think they'd keep the pick and hope they find the Subban, Weber Klingberg types in the later rounds this year. If we win the lottery and have a chance to draft Matthews, Läine or Puljujärvi. we take those players and either swing a deal to get a top dman or take our chances with later rounds for dmen. would love to get Serg, Juleovi, along with one of the above mentioned players. that would be a definite win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winthecup Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Derp... said: So who do you trade Virtanen, Boeser, Shinkaruk or Baertschi, cause those guys look to be our top 6 wingers for the next 7-10 years. yes one of those guys for a pick for a d-man or a decent d-man prospect if they get a top 3 pick this season. If the Oilers get pick 2 or 3, they should definetly consider trading down for Chychrun or Juolevi. If they Oilers get Matthews, they will need to trade Hall or Nugent Hopkins for some defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 11 minutes ago, Derp... said: So who do you trade Virtanen, Boeser, Shinkaruk or Baertschi, cause those guys look to be our top 6 wingers for the next 7-10 years. Baer and Shink are tweeners. Can you win a cup with those guys int the top six? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 If you get the top pick you take Matthews. No debate about it. Yes we need defense, and yes we need other players to fill out our top lines, but the single most difficult asset to acquire in hockey is a bonafide top line centre. If you've got a prospect like Matthews on deck, you take him and hope your later picks turn out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Derp... said: I would definitely look at Provorov +10 OA for a 2-3 pick. That would be a good return, that would allow us to get a top D prospect that is 1year away probably, maybe two, and also take the best of the rest, There's no bad picks really in the consensus non playoff team spots. I think we might need to add an insurance piece for Philly though like a Grenier or a Kenins. Someone who could chip in next year if Laine or PJJ isn't ready. They would love Kenins in Philly. He would become a household name if he could start running over Guys from Pitt for them. Honestly, if we land Mathews or either of the two Finns there is no way I would deal down the order. We have waited for years to get a franchise player and from what we know there is little to separate any of these three. I don't like us not being in the playoffs and I don't like falling to the bottom but if that's how it turns out I don't want a 10th and one or two makeweights - hell I would throw up every time Mathews or one of the 2 Finns was running riot for Philly, theOilers or anyone else if we could have had them. I just don't understand why anyone would pass up on any of these 3, hopefully JB is not so silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I would have a REALLY hard time giving up a top-3 pick this year. Mathews, Laine and Pulujaarvi all look like they will be eilte players in this league. I would rather take our top-3 talent and then Draft only defenseman after that. If we took Laine at #2 overall, a package including Shinkaurik or Baertschi could bring us back a pretty good young defenseman. We would still have an amazing future top-6: Virtanen - Horvat - Laine Shinkaurik/Baertschi - McCann - Boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, alfstonker said: Honestly, if we land Mathews or either of the two Finns there is no way I would deal down the order. We have waited for years to get a franchise player and from what we know there is little to separate any of these three. I don't like us not being in the playoffs and I don't like falling to the bottom but if that's how it turns out I don't want a 10th and one or two makeweights - hell I would throw up every time Mathews or one of the 2 Finns was running riot for Philly, theOilers or anyone else if we could have had them. I just don't understand why anyone would pass up on any of these 3, hopefully JB is not so silly. One thing about JB is he is a good scout. If Puliarvi, Laine, or Tkatchuk are available when we draft he will pick one. JB must know we need top line elite skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: One thing about JB is he is a good scout. If Puliarvi, Laine, or Tkatchuk are available when we draft he will pick one. JB must know we need top line elite skill. Exactly Alf. We are not ruthless enough around the net and the Sedins are unfortunately slowing up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: Baer and Shink are tweeners. Can you win a cup with those guys int the top six? True they don't project as All star wingers, but I would say you only need 2 40 point player and 2 50 point players and 2 60 point players to have a good enough top 6 to win a cup. The rest comes down to your bottom 6 and you top D pairing being elite. Plus a goalie who gets on a streak. Baer = 50 point (25+25) Shinky = 40 point (18+22) Horvat = 50 point (21+29) McCann = 60 point (25+35) Boeser = 60 point (30+30) Virtanen = 40 point (23+17) That's if everything works out though, so you're right it's a long shot to win a cup with that group, but we will also be adding other top prospects in the next 3-5 years who could bump guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 26 minutes ago, Alflives said: Baer and Shink are tweeners. Can you win a cup with those guys int the top six? Baer in my opinion is just getting started. he's gonna be a beauty in this league. Shinkurak is the one that's a little of a question mark at this point. I'd advocate to keep him because he's got such a huge potential. the question is whether he will meet that potential. he's improved. can he translate his game to the NHL level and be an impact player for this team moving forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Derp... said: True they don't project as All star wingers, but I would say you only need 2 40 point player and 2 50 point players and 2 60 point players to have a good enough top 6 to win a cup. The rest comes down to your bottom 6 and you top D pairing being elite. Plus a goalie who gets on a streak. Baer = 50 point (25+25) Shinky = 40 point (18+22) Horvat = 50 point (21+29) McCann = 60 point (25+35) Boeser = 60 point (30+30) Virtanen = 40 point (23+17) That's if everything works out though, so you're right it's a long shot to win a cup with that group, but we will also be adding other top prospects in the next 3-5 years who could bump guys Matthews, Puliarvi, and Laine will most likely 80+ point guys. We need two players of that level. One this draft and one next draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, alfstonker said: Honestly, if we land Mathews or either of the two Finns there is no way I would deal down the order. We have waited for years to get a franchise player and from what we know there is little to separate any of these three. I don't like us not being in the playoffs and I don't like falling to the bottom but if that's how it turns out I don't want a 10th and one or two makeweights - hell I would throw up every time Mathews or one of the 2 Finns was running riot for Philly, theOilers or anyone else if we could have had them. I just don't understand why anyone would pass up on any of these 3, hopefully JB is not so silly. It's a fair argument, but you can't make those decisions based on fear. If someone makes you a good enough offer that you think will benefit your team, and move them closer to their goal you do it right? Regardless of the player you're giving up. Gillis always used to swing deals that sent players as far away as possible because he was afraid that the team wouldn't be able to compete as well each year due to one player he traded away. Giving up assets or better picks to not have to play a particular player is kind of silly in a team game, unless it's someone who's miles ahead of everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Ah man if we get the 1st pick do we take Matthews or Chychrun? We have never have had that franchise defenceman and I strongly believe that Chychrun is that. But then again, Ive also believed for a long time that this team is a one future elite 1st liner away from being a true Cup contender in the future. And Matthews is that plus more. Decisions decisions. If we get both I guarantee we will win the Cup in 2017. Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Blueberries said: Ah man if we get the 1st pick do we take Matthews or Chychrun? We have never have had that franchise defenceman and I strongly believe that Chychrun is that. But then again, Ive also believed for a long time that this team is a one future elite 1st liner away from being a true Cup contender in the future. And Matthews is that plus more. Decisions decisions. If we get both I guarantee we will win the Cup in 2017. Guaranteed. Again, you take Matthews. Should not even be a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Matthews, Puliarvi, and Laine will most likely 80+ point guys. We need two players of that level. One this draft and one next draft. There's no guarantee with that. I agree Matthews is pretty damn safe but I think it's probably more likely at least one of them caps out at as a 50-60 point guy. If a team like Toronto loses their marbles and made a huge Lindros offer to us for Matthews like Nylander, Reilly, Pitts 1st, Dermott, 2nd.... I take my Swedish first line centre, future #1dman and run haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Bitter Melon said: Again, you take Matthews. Should not even be a question. It is a question. We have had Nazzy, Bure and Daniel. We have had those franchise wingers but never that franchise defenceman. Considering that our future top 6 looks like: Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen Shinkaruk-McCann-Boeser That's decent enough to get it done if we stack up on D prospects and that if Demko develops into that stud goalie. Number one defenceman win championships. Look at Keith, Doughty, Chara etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_Lu1ngo Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 There may be a deal with oilers if they have 3rd or 4th pick and we have 5th. If Benning has pulj and tkachuk far ahead of chychrun. Oilers likely are happier to move down if they arent getting matthews or laine even. If say we get another first for hammer and then offered 5th overall (chych) and 20th-30th range first for 3rd or 4th. Theyd have to play it like they are higher on the forwards as well. As it stands though you have to be happy knowing that one of Matthews, Laine, Pulj, Tkachuk, Chychrun, Sergachev, or Joelevi will likely be a canuck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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