Junkyard Dog Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Blueberries said: Im not saying that Matthews won't be better than Horvat and McCann. IMO he will be. The question is do you need 3 really good centres and if you need to trade one is. McCann really enough to acquire a defense man that will have a large impact on this team? Probably not but I still don't pass up Tavares 2.0. Good defenseman can be acquired anywhere in the draft. Franchise centers only really come from top 3 picks. Matthews is next level generational talent. McCann and Horvat won't ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Blueberries said: Im not saying that Matthews won't be better than Horvat and McCann. IMO he will be. The question is do you need 3 really good centres and if you need to trade one is. McCann really enough to acquire a defense man that will have a large impact on this team? If McCann won't bring much in return does that not signify that he's far from a sure thing to be a top center ? I think Horvat and McCann will be good, we still aren't quite sure of their ceilings, but Matthews will likely be in a select group of NHL players when he hits his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 48 minutes ago, Derp... said: Isn't it better to get 2 potential 40+ point D men in these drafts since forwards take less time to develop? It's easier to find a 60 point rookie forward than a 40 point rookie Dman. Often D come from the second and third rounds. Although the three to five guys in the top fifteen of this draft look really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Bobby_Lu1ngo said: What I was saying is if they end up with 3rd pick and we end up with 5th. If they really rathered chychrun while Benning wanted eith pulj or tkachuk much more than chychrun. Edmonton would be smart to play it that they arent as high on chychrun and would rather one of the forwards to get benning to pay up while still getting their guy. I see what you mean. Although don't see tkachuk as that much of an upgrade (if at all) over chychrun. And I certainly wouldn't be trading our second first round pick for the jump. Maybe if pulj. Is still availble but jb would have to be pretty sold on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, Blueberries said: Yes they are last in the league still. And what is their biggest need still? That franchise defenceman. So they should have picked Hanifin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Blueberries said: Im not saying that Matthews won't be better than Horvat and McCann. IMO he will be. The question is do you need 3 really good centres and if you need to trade one is. McCann really enough to acquire a defense man that will have a large impact on this team? Put it this way, if he's not enough to get a defenseman that will make an impact on this team, are we going to win a cup with him centering one of our top lines? I say you draft Matthews and play McCann on his wing for a year or 2 and let him pile up the points. Then trade him. There's no rush. Look at Calgary's deal for Hamilton, guys will become available and after getting Matthews we'll be able to afford to make a deal like that with other assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I would only trade the 1st overall if we were to receive the 2nd overall a defensive prospect and another decent pick Laine is going to be good and keep in mind Matthews is pretty much a year older than everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: So they should have picked Hanifin? Never said that. You're the one bringing up Hanifin. 48 minutes ago, thad said: Put it this way, if he's not enough to get a defenseman that will make an impact on this team, are we going to win a cup with him centering one of our top lines? I say you draft Matthews and play McCann on his wing for a year or 2 and let him pile up the points. Then trade him. There's no rush. Look at Calgary's deal for Hamilton, guys will become available and after getting Matthews we'll be able to afford to make a deal like that with other assets. That seems to be the plan. I personally would switch Matthews to LW. I believe he would be more comfortable there and that leaves us with an incredible top 6. 53 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Probably not but I still don't pass up Tavares 2.0. Good defenseman can be acquired anywhere in the draft. Franchise centers only really come from top 3 picks. Matthews is next level generational talent. McCann and Horvat won't ever be. Lets pray JB has the ability to find those defenseman. 53 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: the huge hype around chychrun has dropped considerably. He's not expected to be a doughy Keith chara. He's not even close the jones or ekblad level. His progression hasn't really increased as much as everyone was hoping it would. Again he's not even a lock to be the top picked D this year. I think your holding on to the pre hype of when a 6'2" 200lbs,14 year old was dominating his competition. He's still a good prospect but not the franchise altering player he was pegged out to be a few years ago. Consider, would the oilers trade mcdavid for Noah even though they already had center depth? Not a chance. Again my view of Chychrun differs from yours and I still believe he is the franchise defenseman we need. Scouts and analysts say otherwise but they said the same for Ekblad. Edmonton now wouldn't make any deal involving McDavid because he is an elite player already, but if at draft day 2015 they had an offer involving a franchise dman like a Ekblad, you would have to consider. Make the deal? Thats a different question. My point is we have to consider every single option and not just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Off_The_Schneid! said: I would only trade the 1st overall if we were to receive the 2nd overall a defensive prospect and another decent pick Laine is going to be good and keep in mind Matthews is pretty much a year older than everyone else Which is good. Matthews is playing against men right now. Safe to say he's got more experience and the closest player to become NHL ready than everyone else in his draft class. Anyways, Jake Bean looks really nice. If were picking 6th-10th overall, might wanna go ahead and grab a D preferably Juolevi or Sergachev. If were picking 2nd overall, I have to go with Puljujarvi. 3rd overall, Laine. 4th overall, Alex Nylander. 5th overall, Tkachuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 3 hours ago, winthecup said: yes one of those guys for a pick for a d-man or a decent d-man prospect if they get a top 3 pick this season. If the Oilers get pick 2 or 3, they should definetly consider trading down for Chychrun or Juolevi. If they Oilers get Matthews, they will need to trade Hall or Nugent Hopkins for some defense. The Canucks should and probably will do the same as that last option you proposed! Draft the best player and trade the guy that didn't pan out as well as hoped. Every player you mentioned is no sure fire 1rst liner and when you look at offensive potential the top 3 this year look to be more sure things than anybody we have. Who knows maybe we draft Laine and trade Shinkaruk for somebody like Sanhiem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 25 minutes ago, Blueberries said: Edmonton now wouldn't make any deal involving McDavid because he is an elite player already, but if at draft day 2015 they had an offer involving a franchise dman like a Ekblad, you would have to consider. Make the deal? Thats a different question. This is why the Canucks shouldn't trade down in a top 3 scenario. Draft the player who would be our top offensive prospect and look down the ladder and trade that guy for a defensive prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Blueberries said: Pretty sure he plays both C and LW. Matthews at centre makes him even more irrelevant. Having Bo and McCann sets our 1st and 2nd line. Then we also have Cassels for the third. Also combine that with Sutter, even though he can play the wing. So unless we trade McCann, (which wouldn't be enough to get an elite D propsect) there isn't much in drafting Matthews. If we get the 1st, we can trade down to around the 4th pick and really pile up the assets. Nice test for management. Also Chychrun is the real deal. Don't look at his numbers this kid has everything. Ekblad wasn't looking like a franchise D-man and his numbers in his 2nd year are similar to Chychrun (one year gap though), look at him now. Again, we need a first line centre to take over for Hank, and this would be a much easier way to get one. Yes Horvat and McCann look like promising young players, but you don't pass on Matthews for them. This is like saying we should pass on Chychrun because we have Hutton and Brisebois in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 26 minutes ago, Bitter Melon said: Again, we need a first line centre to take over for Hank, and this would be a much easier way to get one. Yes Horvat and McCann look like promising young players, but you don't pass on Matthews for them. This is like saying we should pass on Chychrun because we have Hutton and Brisebois in the system. No lmao it isn't. You're not understanding and I have no need to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Blueberries said: No lmao it isn't. You're not understanding and I have no need to continue. No you just have no counterpoints and feel compelled to get the last word in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowhereman Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 You don't pass up players like Matthews. Ever. If the Canucks pick first, they're not trading that pick. Vancouver now has it's Jonathan Toews/Anze Kopitar for the next decade or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Bitter Melon said: No you just have no counterpoints and feel compelled to get the last word in. this isn't a argument. It's a discussion. No one is winning or losing we are all voicing are opinions. You seem to have taken a POV that you're opinion is a fact. Look we can continue if you want. meek You don't always need a number one centre. Yes we need to replace Hank but it doesn't have to be Matthews. We can use a combination of Horvat McCann and Cassels. Then we add them with wingers and a very good defenceman core. We can win those 2-1 games. Many options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Just now, Blueberries said: this isn't a argument. It's a discussion. No one is winning or losing we are all voicing are opinions. You seem to have taken a POV that you're opinion is a fact. Look we can continue if you want. meek You don't always need a number one centre. Yes we need to replace Hank but it doesn't have to be Matthews. We can use a combination of Horvat McCann and Cassels. Then we add them with wingers and a very good defenceman core. We can win those 2-1 games. Many options. I never said it was an argument. And I'm saying the best of those many options is to take Matthews and look for defenseman elsewhere, as opposed to take Chychrun, pray he becomes a franchise defender and hope Horvat, McCann and Cassels all live up to/surpass their billing. I don't want a team that has to choke out a 2-1 game to win. You want a team that's going to blow the opposition out of the water with both offense and defense. Otherwise it sounds like you might as well play the trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueberries Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 1 minute ago, Bitter Melon said: I never said it was an argument. And I'm saying the best of those many options is to take Matthews and look for defenseman elsewhere, as opposed to take Chychrun, pray he becomes a franchise defender and hope Horvat, McCann and Cassels all live up to/surpass their billing. I don't want a team that has to choke out a 2-1 game to win. You want a team that's going to blow the opposition out of the water with both offense and defense. Otherwise it sounds like you might as well play the trap. Winning those 5-4 games hasn't worked for many teams. Capitals and penguins are two good examples. Caps now have figured it out. It took a combination of Carlson and Holtby. We still have half of that if we take Matthews. I'm fine with that, if JB can get a Carlson in a later round. Our defense won't improve much with Matthews though. Sure Demko would be a massive improvement on Miller, but I doubt we'll have a better defenseman than Edler. A team lead by Edler can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 We don't absolutely have to draft Matthews. If there is a serious package like the one that was mentioned earlier, we'd be fools not to consider it. If Provorov, 10OA and another piece is coming our way (just an example), we get some very high end prospects and they can fill various positions. Horvat and McCann are both warriors and have shown glimpses of their potential. I would have zero problem with Horvat and McCann down the middle for the next decade. But of course this is only if we luck out and get a top 3 pick. This is a problem management would love to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Mathews is the best player in the Draft. You don't pass on an opportunity to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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