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6 minutes ago, Blueberries said:

Again that's not what I am saying.

I'm saying a good option is to trade the 1st overall pick to move down. Then pick up Chychrun and pile up on the assets.

 

Scouts aren't always right. Heck their right only  60% of the time. 

Thats not what you first stated.  You never mentioned anything about trading down to pick Chychrun.

 

17 hours ago, Blueberries said:

Ah man if we get the 1st pick do we take Matthews or Chychrun?

We have never have had that franchise defenceman and I strongly believe that Chychrun is that.

But then again, Ive also believed for a long time that this team is a one future elite 1st liner away from being a true Cup contender in the future. And Matthews is that plus more.

Decisions decisions.

If we get both I guarantee we will win the Cup in 2017. Guaranteed.

 

 

If that's what you meant, then it was very poorly written.  Everyone assumed you meant, that you would select Chychrun with the first overall pick.

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1 minute ago, J-Dizzle said:

I agree.... I don't know that JB will though. 

I think JB does know.  He keeps harping on drafting guys with character.  The skilled guys need character to accept the fact that other players will challenge their character by beating on them.  Sergachev is the type of player who challenges the other teams' skilled players' character.  He's the one laying the beating.  We really don't have any d on our current roster who challenge the other teams' skilled guys' character.  IMHAO. 

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Mccann matthews boeser

Baertchi horvat virtanen 

 

That top 6 would absolutely crush! We need dmen especially a huge minute muncher i agree but i see shink being available and maybe nucks brass swing shink and our later firsr (hammer deal) to move up and grab a sergachev or beaner. 

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I read through the Pulj thread on HFboards and it was kinda interesting. There's a ton of Finns who watch all of Pulj's and Laine's games or most of them and a few pointed out that Pulj went through a significant growth spurt and appears to still be regaining his coordination, which could be part of why Laine seems to have pulled ahead as the favorite for #2. 

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9 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

I've watched sergachev a ton this year and yes he does run around, not just on offence but in his own end as well.  But GF Actually  has a ton to do with it,  The main thing to remember is....The more goals a team scores, the more opportunity for a player to get points on.  The style of play a team plays greatly affects the amount of goals a team scores.  Compare Dallas to LA,  One team plays run and gun and thus leads the league in GF, LA plays defensive and thus is middle of the pack.  From it's style of play Dallas gets more goals and Klingberg is a major benefactor of this and is 3rd in the league with points from a Dman.  If Windsor was a complete run and gun style of D, wouldn't they have more goals (more goals that sergachev would benefit from) compared to d first team. 

 

Again I don't know what your problem is but this isn't an argument about sergachev over Chychrun, I'd would take still have chychrun as the best d in the draft closely followed by Sergachev and then Juolevi.  I really don't know what your are getting in a fuss about.  Your little rant has nothing to do to what is being discussed.  This is about who do you take with the first overall, Matthews or Chychrun....

Why do you think it is a "rant"? Aren't you of the opinion that Chychrun's play this year has made you believe that his potential has been diminished in your eyes from a #1 defenseman to a top pairing one? Well Gstank provided an explanation as to why Chychrun's numbers have taken a hit. Darian Hatcher the coach and owner of the Sting wants his players to play a certain way. He wants his defenseman to focus on playing defense. Keep in mind that Hatcher himself was a defenseman that was drafted quite high and carved a successful career by playing a solid defensive game. Not once in his 16 seasons in the NHL did he eclipse the 40 point mark.

 

GA and GF stats while useful do not describe the whole picture. In any case since Sarnia traded for Konecny they have been doing better in the scoring department. Is it even a surprise that Chychrun's numbers have gotten better since the trade? A part of it also could be that Hatcher had them on a tight leash at the start of the year and has slowly been letting them have a little more freedom offensively. 

 

Not to sure why you want to stifle this discussion. The original discussion wasn't really much of one, there is no debate to be had between Matthews and Chychrun. There is a discussion to be had between Chychrun, Juolevi and Sergachev. Seeing as you have watched Sergachev play a lot more than I have, you could certainly contribute more to the discussion about him than I could.

 

I think this discussion is a lot more productive than hypothetical scenarios of moving up or down.

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Just now, Toews said:

Why do you think it is a "rant"? Aren't you of the opinion that Chychrun's play this year has made you believe that his potential has been diminished in your eyes from a #1 defenseman to a top pairing one? Well Gstank provided an explanation as to why Chychrun's numbers have taken a hit. Darian Hatcher the coach and owner of the Sting wants his players to play a certain way. He wants his defenseman to focus on playing defense. Keep in mind that Hatcher himself was a defenseman that was drafted quite high and carved a successful career by playing a solid defensive game. Not once in his 16 seasons in the NHL did he eclipse the 40 point mark.

 

GA and GF stats while useful do not describe the whole picture. In any case since Sarnia traded for Konecny they have been doing better in the scoring department. Is it even a surprise that Chychrun's numbers have gotten better since the trade? A part of it also could be that Hatcher had them on a tight leash at the start of the year and has slowly been letting them have a little more freedom offensively. 

 

Not to sure why you want to stifle this discussion. The original discussion wasn't really much of one, there is no debate to be had between Matthews and Chychrun. There is a discussion to be had between Chychrun, Juolevi and Sergachev. Seeing as you have watched Sergachev play a lot more than I have, you could certainly contribute more to the discussion about him than I could.

 

I think this discussion is a lot more productive than hypothetical scenarios of moving up or down.

Why is it a rant?  He replied to my post about explaining why you would never take Chychrun 1st overall over Matthews. It's a rant because it had nothing to do with the topic of my reply, which is picking Chychrun over Matthews.  

 

It would be no different then for me to take this post of yours and go off on a rant about Juolevi.  

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Thought this was a funny tidbit, pulled from a user by the name of FinPanda on hfboards:

 

 

So Edmonton Oilers.. Craig MacTavish and scout James McGregor came to Finland to watch Laine in Blues-Tappara game and like we all know he is with the mens natonal team. They didn't know that he won't play. They will go next to watch U18 tournament in Rauma and Friday to Vaasa watch Puljujärvi.

http://www.iltalehti.fi/nhl/2016021021099628_nh.shtml

 

lol you think you'd take the time to check if he's actually playing before you hop on a transatlantic flight...

 

This post was from Feb 10th.

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21 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I think JB does know.  He keeps harping on drafting guys with character.  The skilled guys need character to accept the fact that other players will challenge their character by beating on them.  Sergachev is the type of player who challenges the other teams' skilled players' character.  He's the one laying the beating.  We really don't have any d on our current roster who challenge the other teams' skilled guys' character.  IMHAO. 

I don't know if it is just me but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

How do you challenge someone's character by beating on them? For example if I were to challenge your character I would suggest you have no idea what you are talking about... ever. Your posts never contain anything of substance. So does that mean I have character because I challenged your character. Will your response show your character? What in the hell are you talking about?

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Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Why is it a rant?  He replied to my post about explaining why you would never take Chychrun 1st overall over Matthews. It's a rant because it had nothing to do with the topic of my reply, which is picking Chychrun over Matthews.  

 

It would be no different then for me to take this post of yours and go off on a rant about Juolevi.  

I think he quoted the post where you were comparing Ekblad and Chychrun's numbers. He quoted it to provide context for Chychrun's numbers. Not to sure why you are so opposed to the discussion diverging to a different topic. If you were to post something about Juolevi that was actually productive and contributed to the discussion, I would have no problem with it. 

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17 hours ago, Derp... said:

It's a fair argument, but you can't make those decisions based on fear. If someone makes you a good enough offer that you think will benefit your team, and move them closer to their goal you do it right? Regardless of the player you're giving up.

Gillis always used to swing deals that sent players as far away as possible because he was afraid that the team wouldn't be able to compete as well each year due to one player he traded away. Giving up assets or better picks to not have to play a particular player is kind of silly in a team game, unless it's someone who's miles ahead of everyone else. 

 

It's not fear Derp it's a longing to see an elite player in Vancouver colours who scares the s[[t out of the opposition and is also robust enough to hold his own in the physical push back stakes.

The Sedins are fading, of that there is no doubt. In fact I agree with Alf, we need TWO such players if we are really going to be a threat in the future.

 

In short I don't want to see a top 3 player we had rights to, playing for anyone else, no matter who they are

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1 minute ago, Toews said:

I think he quoted the post where you were comparing Ekblad and Chychrun's numbers. He quoted it to provide context for Chychrun's numbers. Not to sure why you are so opposed to the discussion diverging to a different topic. If you were to post something about Juolevi that was actually productive and contributed to the discussion, I would have no problem with it. 

My post was a reply to why you wouldn't take Chychrun over Matthews with the first overall.   Ekblad was brought up due to his draft year play vs Chychrun's and why Ekblad went first overall and Chycrhun wont.  

 

The response was nothing more than a strawman post.  

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6 minutes ago, Toews said:

I don't know if it is just me but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

How do you challenge someone's character by beating on them? For example if I were to challenge your character I would suggest you have no idea what you are talking about... ever. Your posts never contain anything of substance. So does that mean I have character because I challenged your character. Will your response show your character? What in the hell are you talking about?

how about we need guys who make it hard on the other teams' skilled players?  Jake scored his goal against 

Calgary last game because Hamilton blew snow to avoid getting crush popped by Jake.  That's our guy challenging their guy's character, and their guy wasn't up to the challenge.  We need more guys like Jake (especially on D) who will challenge the other teams' most skilled players' character.  

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16 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

My post was a reply to why you wouldn't take Chychrun over Matthews with the first overall.   Ekblad was brought up due to his draft year play vs Chychrun's and why Ekblad went first overall and Chycrhun wont.  

 

The response was nothing more than a strawman post.  

I highlighted the part I was replying too, I thought that would have been pretty clear to everyone but apparently not.

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14 hours ago, asian player said:

We don't absolutely have to draft Matthews. If there is a serious package like the one that was mentioned earlier, we'd be fools not to consider it. If Provorov, 10OA and another piece is coming our way (just an example), we get some very high end prospects and they can fill various positions. Horvat and McCann are both warriors and have shown glimpses of their potential. I would have zero problem with Horvat and McCann down the middle for the next decade. 

But of course this is only if we luck out and get a top 3 pick. This is a problem management would love to have.

"The lesson for Murray: Hope the Panthers win the draft lottery, because apparently they’re just about the only team that ever trades the no. 1 pick.

And that’s it. In the dozen years since the 2003 draft, we’ve yet to see another top overall pick traded, even though it is rumored to be in playjust about every year. Not a single team has traded up to no. 1 since the dawn of the salary-cap era.

So what did we learn? Mainly, we learned that Murray and the Sabres have the odds stacked against them. It’s rare to see the no. 1 pick get moved, and when it does happen, it’s almost always in a deal that gets done well in advance before the draft slots are finalized.  And that’s in a normal draft year. Add in the McDavid factor, and the task is probably just shy of impossible."

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11 minutes ago, Alflives said:

how about we need guys who make it hard on the other teams' skilled players?  Jake scored his goal against 

Calgary last game because Hamilton blew snow to avoid getting crush popped by Jake.  That's our guy challenging their guy's character, and their guy wasn't up to the challenge.  We need more guys like Jake (especially on D) who will challenge the other teams' most skilled players' character.  

All 6'6" 220 pound Nikita Tryamkin will be here soon enough! The Canucks need a #1 puck moving point producing Dman. Now I do really like Sergachyov and Chychrun because I feel those two bring both aspects but I feel we'll finish too low in the standings and be taking a forward.

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2 hours ago, Blueberries said:

We all have our own views. You're view is that people higher than you, know what is right.

My view is that I will trust my gut feeling, which is 95% of the time right.

I'm happy for you that you trust your gut feelings.  It's a great way to live life.  When you post on this board unfortunately other posters don't know you and can't trust your opinion over the expert consensus.  Maybe if you were able to back up your opinion with facts you would get more support.  I have no problem with you expressing your opinion though.  That's what this board is all about!:rolleyes: 

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