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4 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I don't. I think Sergachev is the least likely to reach is potential out of the 3 you mentioned. More of a risk-reward pick.

 

Sergachev wasn't exactly very impressive in the Spitfires 5 game series loss. Neither was Logan Brown for that matter.

 

Juolevi is a good defenseman but I take in account that he is on a stacked Knights team. I'd still take him over Sergachev though. I think Juolevi has the best playmaking ability out of the three.

 

Hutton shares similar qualities as Juolevi which is a part of the reason why I prefer Chychrun.

 

All three have good potential but, at least in my eyes, Chychrun is the best all-around defenseman in the draft. 

I agree with mostly everything you said except for the bolded part.  Sergachev had a really impressive post season.  The two games I watch he was the best player on the ice and ended up being a ppg.  Even Bob McKenzie said that he got to watch him in the post season and that Sergachev's play had really brought up the question that he could challenge for the best defensemen in the draft.  

 

Chychrun didn't really show up until game 6 where he had a 4 point night.  Take away that game and the Sting likely loose and he goes down as having a relatively poor post season.  Overall the year has been a disappointment for Chychrun with such high hype going into the season,  From having a relatively mediocre first half of the year, it really wasn't until after getting cut from the WJC that sparked him, it could have been that or the addition of Konecny.  He's still probably the best D pick in the draft but his stock has falling in his draft year which leads to question marks on where his potential will go,  has he plagued?  Where as the other two Juolevi, Sergachev are only projecting up and it makes people dream about how high their limits could reach.  It could be as early as next season where we could have a clear cut winner as which player is the best D.

 

The risk of Sergachev is being a first year in the OHL and to the NA rink is, we don't have a lot of history to gauge if this just an anomaly of a year, or if this is just the glimspes of what how good he will one day become. 

 

That's the risk, and a canadian team with a top 10 pick you want to make sure you hit a NHL player.  We will most likely go with the safer pick (chychrun) rather than go with the high risk/reward (sergachev).  We saw this with the canucks taking Virtanen over Nylander/Ehlers and taking Horvat over Nuchuskin/Domi (not that I'm unhappy about who we picked). Safe pick, forsure NHLer vs potential superstar/potential bubble player.  You can also see this with the trades we've made  Granlund/Shinkaruk, Kassian/Prust  Miller/Lack.  You just think that at some point the canucks will have to swing for fences and hope to hit a grand slam.  Perhaps it will come down to which player is left to where we pick that forces our hand. 

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19 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

I agree with mostly everything you said except for the bolded part.  Sergachev had a really impressive post season.  The two games I watch he was the best player on the ice and ended up being a ppg.  Even Bob McKenzie said that he got to watch him in the post season and that Sergachev's play had really brought up the question that he could challenge for the best defensemen in the draft.  

 

Chychrun didn't really show up until game 6 where he had a 4 point night.  Take away that game and the Sting likely loose and he goes down as having a relatively poor post season.  Overall the year has been a disappointment for Chychrun with such high hype going into the season,  From having a relatively mediocre first half of the year, it really wasn't until after getting cut from the WJC that sparked him, it could have been that or the addition of Konecny.  He's still probably the best D pick in the draft but his stock has falling in his draft year which leads to question marks on where his potential will go,  has he plagued?  Where as the other two Juolevi, Sergachev are only projecting up and it makes people dream about how high their limits could reach.  It could be as early as next season where we could have a clear cut winner as which player is the best D.

 

The risk of Sergachev is being a first year in the OHL and to the NA rink is, we don't have a lot of history to gauge if this just an anomaly of a year, or if this is just the glimspes of what how good he will one day become. 

 

That's the risk, and a canadian team with a top 10 pick you want to make sure you hit a NHL player.  We will most likely go with the safer pick (chychrun) rather than go with the high risk/reward (sergachev).  We saw this with the canucks taking Virtanen over Nylander/Ehlers and taking Horvat over Nuchuskin/Domi (not that I'm unhappy about who we picked). Safe pick, forsure NHLer vs potential superstar/potential bubble player.  You can also see this with the trades we've made  Granlund/Shinkaruk, Kassian/Prust  Miller/Lack.  You just think that at some point the canucks will have to swing for fences and hope to hit a grand slam.  Perhaps it will come down to which player is left to where we pick that forces our hand. 

Totally agree

 

We'll need an A+ prospect to trade for a sure fire middle 6,  2 way center or winger

 

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3 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said:

I'm not totally confident about the best possible player being picked if they are not bottom 3 at season end, as the consensus on the 3 first picks is obvious , after them is a different set of players that aren't defined clearly as 4,5,6 overall picks and so forth down the line.   With Benning accumulating list of blunders picking top 5 isn't  anything more than a crap shoot with this guy.  

I sure hope Columbus wins tonight and Vancouver mails in the last 3 , but this wont happen as they have a lifetime jinx so it seems . lol

How about JB tells WD to only play the veterans.  It's the bloody kids that are causing us to win!  Stupid young players and all their aggressive passion.  Losers!  Don't they know the season is over and it's time to coast?  God!  Bo, Virtanen, McCann, Granlund, Pedan, Hutton, and especially that Tryamkin guy.  Just don't play these young guys, and the vets will lose for sure!

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4 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I wonder how good Chychrun would look on the super stacked London Knights squad, just saiyan:ph34r:

 

 

Cool joke. Let's be real about this though. The London Knights are a perrenial playoff team because of good drafting, direction, and coaching. The players who also come out of the Knights end up being one of the leaders on their NHL club within 5 years of being drafted and that goes back AWHILE!!!

 

Fact of the matter is that excuse shouldn't hold water. It doesn't with me and it shouldn't with you or anyone else. They are the Detroit Red Wings of the OHL. They have always had to draft later in the OHL draft because they have normally been very good, and yet SOMEHOW, EVERY FREAKING YEAR they have at least 2 players in the top 15 of the NHL draft. Even IF there's something about Tkachuk's or Juolevi's game which you dislike, it will be worked on and stamped out before they get to the NHL level. You can count on it.

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18 minutes ago, Noseforthenet said:

Cool joke. Let's be real about this though. The London Knights are a perrenial playoff team because of good drafting, direction, and coaching. The players who also come out of the Knights end up being one of the leaders on their NHL club within 5 years of being drafted and that goes back AWHILE!!!

 

Fact of the matter is that excuse shouldn't hold water. It doesn't with me and it shouldn't with you or anyone else. They are the Detroit Red Wings of the OHL. They have always had to draft later in the OHL draft because they have normally been very good, and yet SOMEHOW, EVERY FREAKING YEAR they have at least 2 players in the top 15 of the NHL draft. Even IF there's something about Tkachuk's or Juolevi's game which you dislike, it will be worked on and stamped out before they get to the NHL level. You can count on it.

The london knights are a perennial olayoff team because they haven't been caught cheating and coaching.

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23 minutes ago, Noseforthenet said:

Elaborate please

Well its not fact. But at some point you have to think hmmmhow do they manage to get all these players. Other teams get good players but 

 

Kane- commits to play with london

 

Domi- should have went much higher but refused to play for any other team

 

Mariner- commits to play with london

 

Tkachuk- commits to play with london

 

And many more. 

 

Basically they tamper with players to get them to play for them. Money cars etc. Basically bribes. Windsor was fined hige for this a couple years ago. London just hasnt got caught. 

 

Here's an article

 

http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/03/max-jones-is-the-latest-player-london-drafted-after-other-teams-passed-due-to-his-intention-not-to-play-major-junior-then-watched-him-change-his-mind

 

I'm sure they draft well too. But alot of it has to do with players they recruit from other leagues and players that were passed over in the draft because of other commitments/interest that somehow end up in London.  Once in a while sure but it's like every year with these guys.

 

Windsor did it to jack Campbell and paid the price. 3 first round picks or something along those lines.

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13 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:

I'm just dissapomted likely missing out on an elite NHL ready prospect in the top 3. Would give something to look forward to next year if Canucks picked top 3 or even 4-5.

Wining a couple games is not going to make a night and day difference on winning or not winning the lotto(s). We were likely 'missing out' prior to winning the last three games too.

 

6 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I doubt it.

 

I also doubt Benning takes that risk.

Depends.

 

If Benning truly believes Sergachev is the best D of the three based on his scouting abilities/player assessment, I think he'd have no problem grabbing him first as long as he's available.

 

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in his office closer to the draft...

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ISS has released their April rankings:

The top 3 is still the top three, with Puljujarvi over Laine, but Nylander up in 4th now. Chychrun dropping and Sergachev rising so interesting options.

1 Matthews, Auston C 9/17/1997 L 6.01.5 210 Zurich ZSC SuiA
2 Puljujarvi, Jesse RW 5/7/1998 R 6.03 203 Karpat FinE
3 Laine, Patrik LW 4/19/1998 R 6.04 209 Tappara FinE
4 Nylander, Alexander RW 3/2/1998 R 6.00.5 179 Mississauga OHL
5 Dubois, Pierre-Luc LW 6/24/1998 L 6.02.5 202 Cape Breton QMJHL
6 Tkachuk, Matthew LW 12/11/1997 L 6.01.25 195 London OHL
7 Chychrun, Jakob LD 3/31/1998 L 6.02 215 Sarnia OHL
8 Sergachev, Mikhail RD 6/25/1998 L 6.02.5 206 Windsor OHL
9 McLeod, Michael C 2/3/1998 R 6.02.25 188 Mississauga OHL
10 Juolevi, Olli LD 5/5/1998 L 6.02.5 179 London OHL
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15 minutes ago, elvis15 said:

ISS has released their April rankings:

The top 3 is still the top three, with Puljujarvi over Laine, but Nylander up in 4th now. Chychrun dropping and Sergachev rising so interesting options.

1 Matthews, Auston C 9/17/1997 L 6.01.5 210 Zurich ZSC SuiA
2 Puljujarvi, Jesse RW 5/7/1998 R 6.03 203 Karpat FinE
3 Laine, Patrik LW 4/19/1998 R 6.04 209 Tappara FinE
4 Nylander, Alexander RW 3/2/1998 R 6.00.5 179 Mississauga OHL
5 Dubois, Pierre-Luc LW 6/24/1998 L 6.02.5 202 Cape Breton QMJHL
6 Tkachuk, Matthew LW 12/11/1997 L 6.01.25 195 London OHL
7 Chychrun, Jakob LD 3/31/1998 L 6.02 215 Sarnia OHL
8 Sergachev, Mikhail RD 6/25/1998 L 6.02.5 206 Windsor OHL
9 McLeod, Michael C 2/3/1998 R 6.02.25 188 Mississauga OHL
10 Juolevi, Olli LD 5/5/1998 L 6.02.5 179 London OHL

interesting, somehow the players I would want to pick around 5-10 are at top 5 so

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3 hours ago, Gooseberries said:

Well its not fact. But at some point you have to think hmmmhow do they manage to get all these players. Other teams get good players but 

 

Kane- commits to play with london

 

Domi- should have went much higher but refused to play for any other team

 

Mariner- commits to play with london

 

Tkachuk- commits to play with london

 

And many more. 

 

Basically they tamper with players to get them to play for them. Money cars etc. Basically bribes. Windsor was fined hige for this a couple years ago. London just hasnt got caught. 

 

Here's an article

 

http://www.lfpress.com/2015/06/03/max-jones-is-the-latest-player-london-drafted-after-other-teams-passed-due-to-his-intention-not-to-play-major-junior-then-watched-him-change-his-mind

 

I'm sure they draft well too. But alot of it has to do with players they recruit from other leagues and players that were passed over in the draft because of other commitments/interest that somehow end up in London.  Once in a while sure but it's like every year with these guys.

 

Windsor did it to jack Campbell and paid the price. 3 first round picks or something along those lines.

Maybe the Hunters know a few secret handshakes and certain knocks?

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2 hours ago, elvis15 said:

ISS has released their April rankings:

The top 3 is still the top three, with Puljujarvi over Laine, but Nylander up in 4th now. Chychrun dropping and Sergachev rising so interesting options.

1 Matthews, Auston C 9/17/1997 L 6.01.5 210 Zurich ZSC SuiA
2 Puljujarvi, Jesse RW 5/7/1998 R 6.03 203 Karpat FinE
3 Laine, Patrik LW 4/19/1998 R 6.04 209 Tappara FinE
4 Nylander, Alexander RW 3/2/1998 R 6.00.5 179 Mississauga OHL
5 Dubois, Pierre-Luc LW 6/24/1998 L 6.02.5 202 Cape Breton QMJHL
6 Tkachuk, Matthew LW 12/11/1997 L 6.01.25 195 London OHL
7 Chychrun, Jakob LD 3/31/1998 L 6.02 215 Sarnia OHL
8 Sergachev, Mikhail RD 6/25/1998 L 6.02.5 206 Windsor OHL
9 McLeod, Michael C 2/3/1998 R 6.02.25 188 Mississauga OHL
10 Juolevi, Olli LD 5/5/1998 L 6.02.5 179 London OHL

One thing I noticed about the ISS april rankings is that they don't have Fabbro in the top 30, maybe its just a mistake because im not sure Cliff Pu should be ranked above him.

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5 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

One thing I noticed about the ISS april rankings is that they don't have Fabbro in the top 30, maybe its just a mistake because im not sure Cliff Pu should be ranked above him.

Pu in the top 30 is atrocious. 

 

This is why ISS routinely sucks. 

 

Their lists are always horrible. 

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10 minutes ago, Derp... said:

4 to 10 is going to be a spitting contest. Everyone gets a turn but in the end it's all just spit on the floor. 

 

I know this is not a good analogy, but I like it

My thoughts as well. 

 

Doesn't really matter much where we pick  from 4-10. Which only makes all the fretting and hand wringing about a couple wins all the sillier.

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14 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Interviews will be big, but might come down to how high he figures Sergachev's floor to be, if given the choice.

That's MY only concern with him and I don't have access to Benning's scouting or expertise.

 

Chych/Juolevi both seem to have higher floors (likely both top 4 D minimum in their primes). Whereas Serg really could be anything from a stud 1A to a 6/7 guy depending on how he develops. He's certainly more risk/reward so a LOT will depend on how confident Benning is he will get the 'reward'. 

 

I'd say Juolevi's likely ceiling is 1B but more likely 2 and Chych is likely a solid 2 or 3.

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