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1 hour ago, Kungfudru said:

Winners

First

Vancouver Canucks

Vancouver Canucks

Second

Colorado Avalanche

Colorado Avalanche

Third

Arizona Coyotes

Arizona Coyotes

Draft Order

1 Vancouver Canucks
2 Colorado Avalanche
3 Arizona Coyotes
4 Toronto Maple Leafs
5 Edmonton Oilers
6 Columbus Blue Jackets
7 Calgary Flames
8 Winnipeg Jets
9 Buffalo Sabres
10 Montreal Canadiens
11 New Jersey Devils
12 Ottawa Senators
13 Carolina Hurricanes
14 Boston Bruins
 
Ran the simulator 50 times and we finished in the top 3 25 times.  The 3rd last position is huge.

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Wow if that happens in real life the Canucks can have their cake and eat it too.

 

First trade the #1 pick Matthews to Arizona for the #3 and Ekman-Larsson. Elite #1 d check.

 

Then with the #3 pick the Canucks take one of the big Fins!

 

So many options than after the Canucks can package guys for more picks try another trade or sign 1 impact free agent wing or d also.

 

Even without any other signings or trades the draft lottery win of #1 makes the Canucks a borderline playoff time next year and accelerates the rebuild time. 

 

Canucks sacrifice having a #1 center for a #1 d.

 

Sedin-Sedin-Hansen

Baertschi-Horvat-Sutter

Rodin-Granlund- Big Fin

Grenier-Guance-Etem

Dorsett

 

OEL-Tanev

Edler-Larsen

Hutton-Tryamkin

Pedan-Sbisa

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11 hours ago, Alexandre said:

Ha ha ..I hate that too. It is just bad optics. In light of the NHL's questionable past, I would make the lottery as transparent as possible (no, I am not saying the lottery is rigged).

Exactly - it just invites the question if it tho. And they can still make it a spectacle if they do it in a more like u said transparent way. Really bugs me

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8 minutes ago, Winter Soldier said:

Coyotes are not trading OEL.

Why not? Matthews is a local kid Coyote fan and would save that franchise. Think of the marketing opportunities. I think a #1 C for a #1 D is a fair trade off is it not?

 

You have to think Arizona would be pretty desperate to have a marketable player to sell tickets and help stop all the money being lost.

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6 hours ago, Hedman said:

In the playoffs you want defensemen that does it all, a guy that you can match up against the other teams best players, a guy that can also contribute on the scoresheet. You can never have too many of those guys. I don't think it's unrealstic to believe that Chychrun can be one of those guys, and those type of defensemen doesn't grow on trees, especially not in the later rounds of the draft. Considering how shallow our D-pool looks and our defense in general, i believe it's easier to build your defense around a guy like Chychrun than a guy like Juolevi. Chychrun is already playing big-minutes in Sarnia, he's a huge part of that team. Juolevi is also important for London, but he doesn't face nearly as much pressure as Chychrun does, playing on a completely dominant team. Doesn't necessarily mean that Juolevi wouldn't be able to handle the same pressure if he played on a inferior team, but i find Chychrun's deeds more impressive than Juolevi's.

No argument from me.

 

Someone else mentioned Phaneuf / Edler comparisons. If he accomplishes that, with the significantly better speed  dexterity he has that will be quite the player. I like comparisons with Seabrook. He'll be that 225 lbs in his prime and he's again still much faster. Much quicker. That has the potential to be a player feared every time opposition enters our zone.

 

I have been advocating Chychrun at any spot starting at #4 depending where we land.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Chip Kelly said:

Why not? Matthews is a local kid Coyote fan and would save that franchise. Think of the marketing opportunities. I think a #1 C for a #1 D is a fair trade off is it not?

 

You have to think Arizona would be pretty desperate to have a marketable player to sell tickets and help stop all the money being lost.

When asked such a thing Their GM said "That will never happen."

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyotes-say-will-not-trade-ekman-larsson-matthews/

 

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Just now, Chip Kelly said:

So Domi, Duclair and their pick for Matthews then right? :P

I doubt they do that. Domi and Duclair are a line itself and a top 10 pick is another potential good player. Overpayment.

 

I'd rather keep Matthews if we got him anyway. Perfect description of a Benning type player.

 

He's real good.

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3 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I doubt they do that. Domi and Duclair are a line itself and a top 10 pick is another potential good player. Overpayment.

 

I'd rather keep Matthews if we got him anyway. Perfect description of a Benning type player.

 

He's real good.

Last scenario. Matthews to the Coyotes for their pick (let's say it is #4 instead of #3) and Strome.

 

Coyotes would be replacing Strome with Matthews and not have to lose OEL Domi and Duclair.

 

Canucks get a potential #1 center in Strome only not as good obviously as Matthews plus the #4 draft pick in which they go and draft Jacob Chychrun a potential #1 d-man.

 

That would be my ultimate fantasy... kill 2 birds with one stone.

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11 hours ago, Alflives said:

Maneuver in the draft is key, when the draft is this deep.  Could we trade down and end up with two elite prospects?  

There is always someone that simply surprises past the sure bets. Whom this year are Laine, Mathews & Puljujarvi. Personally, if we're drafting top 3 I'd kack myself if we traded down. It had better be a bloody compelling offer! Past the top 3, guys have to play up a to level we have yet to see. So cannot count on being elite?

 

Therefore, I'll talk turkey. One guy will train harder and achieve a new level of agility and quickness. We really wont know which one. But if we get two the odds are better.

 

So 4th? I'm open to the conversation. And they disclose who they are picking part and parcel. So say the team with the 7th, wants Dubois, and offers a future 1st or equiv?  Do some math, we would get one of our 3 D, most likely Chychrun or Juo. But if any offer is not compelling I'm walking up to the microphone & picking Chychrun.

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4 hours ago, R3aL said:

Exactly - it just invites the question if it tho. And they can still make it a spectacle if they do it in a more like u said transparent way. Really bugs me

Yeah it does bug me a lot as well. I know a poster broke down the lottery and that rigging it would be unlikely. That a law firm whose substantial contracts are wholly based on their integrity would not risk their reputation on rigging this "small" NHL contract.

 

Nevertheless, I would still prefer something like the drawing of lottery balls from a big transparent container for example? It would be more of a spectacle and entertaining than opening up sealed cards. Even though anything could probably be rigged, at least seeing the balls be tossed around and selected randomly with your own eyes makes it appear fair.

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17 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

There is always someone that simply surprises past the sure bets. Whom this year are Laine, Mathews & Puljujarvi. Personally, if we're drafting top 3 I'd kack myself if we traded down. It had better be a bloody compelling offer! Past the top 3, guys have to play up a to level we have yet to see. So cannot count on being elite?

 

Therefore, I'll talk turkey. One guy will train harder and achieve a new level of agility and quickness. We really wont know which one. But if we get two the odds are better.

 

So 4th? I'm open to the conversation. And they disclose who they are picking part and parcel. So say the team with the 7th, wants Dubois, and offers a future 1st or equiv?  Do some math, we would get one of our 3 D, most likely Chychrun or Juo. But if any offer is not compelling I'm walking up to the microphone & picking Chychrun.

I agree with most of what you said. The change I would make is Sergachev in place of Chychrun or Juolevi.

 

I think my scenario has a good chance since maybe Sergachev is the more likely to be available at 7th or so?

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7 hours ago, Hedman said:

In the playoffs you want defensemen that does it all, a guy that you can match up against the other teams best players, a guy that can also contribute on the scoresheet. You can never have too many of those guys. I don't think it's unrealstic to believe that Chychrun can be one of those guys, and those type of defensemen doesn't grow on trees, especially not in the later rounds of the draft. Considering how shallow our D-pool looks and our defense in general, i believe it's easier to build your defense around a guy like Chychrun than a guy like Juolevi. Chychrun is already playing big-minutes in Sarnia, he's a huge part of that team. Juolevi is also important for London, but he doesn't face nearly as much pressure as Chychrun does, playing on a completely dominant team. Doesn't necessarily mean that Juolevi wouldn't be able to handle the same pressure if he played on a inferior team, but i find Chychrun's deeds more impressive than Juolevi's.

I think Chychrun is a good prospect but I'd rather have Juolevi. Chychrun reminds me a lot of Phanuf, with better skating. I like Chychrun for his size and quickness but Juolevi has both of those attributes as well. Juolevi is a rink general, he sees the game so well and is so smooth. Reminds me a bit of Neidermyer and Zubov. Plus he plays in London which is a NHL player factory. 

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36 minutes ago, Chip Kelly said:

Last scenario. Matthews to the Coyotes for their pick (let's say it is #4 instead of #3) and Strome.

 

Coyotes would be replacing Strome with Matthews and not have to lose OEL Domi and Duclair.

 

Canucks get a potential #1 center in Strome only not as good obviously as Matthews plus the #4 draft pick in which they go and draft Jacob Chychrun a potential #1 d-man.

 

That would be my ultimate fantasy... kill 2 birds with one stone.

Coyotes won't draft higher than 7th unless they win a lotto pick.

 

I wouldn't do that if I were Coyotes. Strome could be Getzlaf good. 7th could land them a defenseman that they definitely require. OEL and Murphy will definitely be great for them for years but they need to that.

 

They are in no need to overpay for Matthews. They have insane depth at C prospect wise. Dvorak 2nd, MacInnis 2nd, Dauphin 2nd, Letunov 2nd and Strome at 3rd overall, all of them 21 or younger. Their defense is ugly prospect wise. Their defense has no one that I would consider having high upside. Lacks depth.

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37 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said:

I think Chychrun is a good prospect but I'd rather have Juolevi. Chychrun reminds me a lot of Phanuf, with better skating. I like Chychrun for his size and quickness but Juolevi has both of those attributes as well. Juolevi is a rink general, he sees the game so well and is so smooth. Reminds me a bit of Neidermyer and Zubov. Plus he plays in London which is a NHL player factory. 

I don't see any Phaneuf in him personally.

 

Here's highlights of him though.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Drakrami said:

What are our chances of getting Laine at #3? If our chances are not good I would actually trade up with Edmonton to get him. 

I'd say 50/50

 

The laine pulliajarvi  argument seems to be a chicken before egg debate. It can go either way. 

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3 hours ago, Alexandre said:

Yeah it does bug me a lot as well. I know a poster broke down the lottery and that rigging it would be unlikely. That a law firm whose substantial contracts are wholly based on their integrity would risk their reputation on rigging this "small" NHL contract.

 

Nevertheless, I would still prefer something like the drawing of lottery balls from a big transparent container for example? It would be more of a spectacle and entertaining than opening up sealed cards. Even though anything could probably be rigged, at least seeing the balls be tossed around and selected randomly with your own eyes makes it appear fair.

My exact thoughts and feelings! 

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