DeltaSwede Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 4 hours ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said: Yeah, he's a physical monster that plays a 200-foote game. What's your view on Jonathan Dahlén and Markus Niemeläinen. Both will probably be available at #33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I think that at #4,5,6... a forward is the better option. Regardless of what this team needs, wed all rather have had Kopitar over Bourdon RIP, right? I dont think any of the Dmen are better options than Tkachuk, Dubios, or Nylander. My opinion there, but therell be other solid D options for the 2nd round pick. Nabbing one of the top forwards would really help to solidify the F's moving forward, and allow us to focus on D the rest of the way. This team still desperately needs offence to fill the soon to come Sedin absence.... There are players this year that WILL help with that direction. As Dmen generally mature later in their careers, you CAN actually find good ones via UFA that will play for you for a while. Just lood at Washington for example... Most laughed at the Orpik and Niskanen deals (including myself)... I think this is an area that can be addressed via UFA if we're smart with our targets. Demers seems to be a safe two way 35 point RHDman to help solidify our top 4. Goligoski would likely be more costly, but with the additions of Hutton and Tryamkin, staying steady with Edler/Tanev, and perhaps having Hammer take a hometown discount to be on the 3rd pair, we might be in decent shape if we have better luck with injuries. I think its prudent to address the PPQB presence, but there are multiple teams that have forwards in that role as well. For me right now... 1 Matthews 2 Laine 3 Puljujarvi 4 Tkachuk 5 Nylander 6 Dubois We walk with one of these guys and its a good day for Canucks fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 8 hours ago, Outsiders said: @S N Y P E R S 7 who would you prefer Dubois or Tkachuk? Tkachuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 10 hours ago, Time Lord said: I put him on "Ignore" It's the first time I've ever done that to anyone, and it has made the draft thread a lot better. I recommend trying it. He's just a troll, you know. Same here, been here since 2003 and I think he's the first poster I've put on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 10 hours ago, Time Lord said: I put him on "Ignore" It's the first time I've ever done that to anyone, and it has made the draft thread a lot better. I recommend trying it. He's just a troll, you know. I gave him $&!# for it the other day (Alf referring to himself as a third person). Seems to have gotten better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 I'm thinking Carl Grundstrom might be a good guy to pick up with a 3rd or 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Also 3rd/4th rounder option Big RH D ANDREW PEEKEhttp://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=291905 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharbinder Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Found this interesting article with McKeen's rankings, which seems to be the only one with Laine going before Matthews. I find it intriguing which helped back my thoughts when I am thinking about who should go first overall. Think back to the 2004 NHL draft with the top 2 players being Malkin/Ovechkin. There are lots of similarities with Matthew & Malkin, both great playmakers. However when you watch Malkin play, you see he is a guy who loves to shoot the puck. Almost mirroring the way Mark Crawford described Matthew in the intermission of the Canucks game Saturday. Then you have Laine, who is the first person with this kind of shot/release of the puck since... Ovechkin. The bolded part really hits it home for me, what I noticed in the WJC was in the last two games (Semi-final & Bronze Medal). Matthews did not show up, even in the 8-3 win over Sweden. He had 0 points. Where as Laine had a goal & an assist in the thrilling final against Russia. Also including his 7 goals 2 assists in 10 playoff games. That is unreal production when it counts most. Yes you choose the center over the winger if equal skill level, however are they? Who do you want on your team for the future, a Malkin or a Ovechkin? Quote It’s been said many times that Auston Matthews is the “consensus first pick” since last summer, but therein lies the rub. Scouts, pundits and fans anointed him as the top guy last summer – and in many cases seemingly decided that he would be the top guy in the rankings no matter what. Well there is a “matter what”…a Finnish fellow named Patrik Laine that has more than a couple of scouts reminiscing about a fellow named Mario Lemieux. It was apparent at the U-20…was noticeable down the stretch in the SM-liiga regular season, and even more apparent during the playoffs – this kid is scary good, and the closest thing comparable to Mario since…..Mario. “He looks like Mario when he’s carrying the puck,” noted one top scout during the U-20, and he wasn’t alone in that assertion. When asked for a comparison, Teemu Selanne brought up Lemieux as well, and McKeen’s chief amateur scout Grant McCagg was making the correlation between the two even before there were others echoing it…he first made the suggestion early on in the World juniors, and he hasn’t changed his mind. If anything it has only been reconfirmed. “I can’t honestly recall scouting a forward over 6-4 with a skill set as similar to Mario’s as Laine’s,” says McCagg. “The way he creates space when he has the puck, his hands, his release, his shot, his vision…maybe he’s not quite at Mario’s level…but he’s not that far off. He’s a tier above Rick Nash at the same age…and as we know both Nash and Mario were first overall picks. I have a hard time thinking anyone should be drafted ahead of him even if I really like Matthews a lot…I see a future 50-goal NHL scorer, maybe a 60-goal guy. I don’t see that same upside with Matthews.” Laine has been sensational for Tappara during the playoffs, almost singlehandedly leading his team to two recent wins with back-to-back two-goal efforts versus Karpat and his chief Finnish competition in the draft in Jesse Puljujarvi. He has scored seven goals in nine playoffs games, two more than anyone else, yet he is still only 17 years old. By comparison, the last Finnish prospect to go top five in the draft, Aleksander Barkov, was held without a goal in the playoffs during his draft year. Just like he did in the U-20 and unlike Matthews, Laine is coming up big when it counts the most. He has repeated this shooting ability all season long….one of the best releases and shots in recent memory..and that translates well to any league, especially if they shrink the size of goalie equipment. Add in his puckhandling abilities, , vision and soft hands…he projects to be a big-time producer at the NHL level for many years. The other main change in the top five was moving Mississauga center Michael McLeod into the top three following his first-round performance in the OHL playoffs where he almost willed his team to a huge upset over the high-powered Barrie Colts. Other OHL players put up better stats in the first round, but none played harder, or with a more rounded all-around game. “It’s rare to see a player with his motor,” noted one scout. “You think of Taylor Hall and Nathan MacKinnon as comparables in terms of his engine, but even they weren’t as consistently revved up as this kid. He simply never has an average effort or a poor game. He is always contributing even when he’s not producing. He will help an NHL team win playoff games..maybe championships.” McLeod had three goals and six assists in the seven game series, as well as providing top-notch defensive effort, particularly on the penalty kill. He was also sensational in the faceoff circle, averaging close to 70 per cent. “He had one overtime game where he won more faceoffs than the entire Barrie team combined,” marveled one scout. “The intangibles he brings in addition to his terrific speed make him a can’t miss prospect. He is going to be a top two center with size, speed, grit, faceoff prowess, penalty killing abilites..what is there not to like? He may never lead the league in scoring..but neither will Jonathan Toews. This kid is a winner.” One scout compared him to Dylan Larkin in his draft year. “Scouts were raising issues about Larkin’s offensive upside in his draft year. I don’t see them doing that now. I hear the same thing with McLeod..and I’m reminded of Larkin. McLeod’s size, speed and tremendous competitiveness translate well to the NHL game….he’ll produce at the next level. He will be a big-time crowd favourite wherever he plays, and his coach will love him.” Jesse Puljujarvi drops to fourth in the rankings in part because since the U-20′s he has failed to show the elite offensive skills one looks for in a top three prospect playing on the wing. “He may be a solid two-way winger at the NHL level who never scores 30 goals,” suggested one scout. “He is a decent playmaker, and you have to love his competitiveness, size and skating ability, but will he ever be among the scoring leaders? I’m not sure he has that potential. I’m not seeing elite offensive or finishing skills.” When matched head-to-head versus Laine in the playoffs it has been quite apparent that he’s not in Laine’s stratosphere when it comes to offensive upside. “If he was a center maybe you rank him ahead of McLeod, but I have a hard time doing so at this time,” said McCagg. “I don’t know that he’ll out-produce McLeod, and at the end of the day he doesn’t bring as many intangibles, especially playing on the wing. McLeod for me brings more value to a team, especially being a center. When players are close…you side with the center.” http://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospects-blog/mckeens-2016-top-30-nhl-draft-rankings-apr-2016/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 30 minutes ago, sharbinder said: Who do you want on your team for the future, a Malkin or a Ovechkin? I mean, either would be glorious, but if I could choose, I'd choose Ovechkin, of course. It's why I'm secretly hoping we get 2nd overall, so we don't have to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 15 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: I mean, either would be glorious, but if I could choose, I'd choose Ovechkin, of course. It's why I'm secretly hoping we get 2nd overall, so we don't have to choose. ARZ first overall, us 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Just now, J.R. said: ARZ first overall, us 2nd? Wouldn't complain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharbinder Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, J.R. said: ARZ first overall, us 2nd? ARZ or CBJ 1st overall & Canucks 2nd please. I think both Deserve a Guaranteed #1 center, although I would also like Chychrun/Juolevi/Sergachev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Sort of on topic with this thread...Maloney is getting fired from Phoenix. Funny how this is happening now. He has said publicly he wouldn't send OEL away in a trade for 1st overall. I'm sure that's not why he's getting fired, but maybe ownership wants their GM to do anything in their power to get Matthews...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 hour ago, sharbinder said: Found this interesting article with McKeen's rankings, which seems to be the only one with Laine going before Matthews. I find it intriguing which helped back my thoughts when I am thinking about who should go first overall. Think back to the 2004 NHL draft with the top 2 players being Malkin/Ovechkin. There are lots of similarities with Matthew & Malkin, both great playmakers. However when you watch Malkin play, you see he is a guy who loves to shoot the puck. Almost mirroring the way Mark Crawford described Matthew in the intermission of the Canucks game Saturday. Then you have Laine, who is the first person with this kind of shot/release of the puck since... Ovechkin. The bolded part really hits it home for me, what I noticed in the WJC was in the last two games (Semi-final & Bronze Medal). Matthews did not show up, even in the 8-3 win over Sweden. He had 0 points. Where as Laine had a goal & an assist in the thrilling final against Russia. Also including his 7 goals 2 assists in 10 playoff games. That is unreal production when it counts most. Yes you choose the center over the winger if equal skill level, however are they? Who do you want on your team for the future, a Malkin or a Ovechkin? http://www.mckeenshockey.com/prospects-blog/mckeens-2016-top-30-nhl-draft-rankings-apr-2016/ This just makes me want Matthews more. Who has won a Conn Smythe and a cup? Ovie is a generational talent. So is Malkin. Malkin is who I would pick. Not Ovie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 22 minutes ago, J.R. said: ARZ first overall, us 2nd? No way, us first them 2nd would be the dream scenario haha. They're so close to the biggest marketing gift from the hockey gods they'll ever get, you'll squeeze something huge out of them. They can keep their Domi, they can even hang on to Ekman-Larson... but I want Strome. Dylan Strome and number 2 and Austin Matthews the hometown hero is all yours haha. You have till 5:00 pm and I'm selecting Matthews.. Tick tock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that Laine is talented and has put up impressive numbers. Matthews has had an equally impressive season however being the best player in a league that I would rank as better than the Finnish league. I think Laine has asserted himself as the clear #2 but I don't think he will pass Matthews, no matter what team is picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 14 hours ago, S N Y P E R S 7 said: Canucks hold... 1x 1st Rd PickBest Available @1-6: Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi/Chychrun/Dubois/Tkachuk 1x 2nd Rd PickBest Available @33: Johansen/Kyrou/Benson/Katchouk/Day/Niemalainen/Green 1x 3rd Rd PickBest Available @63: Pu/Peeke/Falkovsky/Gambrell/Kuznetsov/Dineen/A.Fox 1x 4th Rd PickBest Available @93: Sambrook/Kaspick/Masonius/Reunanen/Miromanov/Coghlan/Cairns/L.Carlsson 1x 6th Rd PickBest Available @153: Lauta/Huber/Rymsha/Ryczek/Kirwan/Zhuldekov/McPhee/Miranda/C.Long 2x 7th Rd PickBest Available @183/202: Abols/DeMey/Riat/B.O'Brien/Pastujov/Campoli/Anderberg/R.Pitlick/Soustal/G.Pilon Just my thoughts! These were guys that stood out for me, and I think would feasibly be available for the Vancouver Canucks. Some would be flyers, guys to take a chance on, and others will take a more bland development path. Depending on what other teams are expecting to see from these kids, some might go higher. A lot of them are poised for breakout seasons soon. These are kids who I think would bring some light to this market and give fans something to hope for in the future. Best of luck in the lottery, and I hope the Canucks' draft unfolds well. Probably won't look like the one I laid out above, but we'll see. I feel like people ignored this post; I'm going to pin it to the main topic's first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 17 minutes ago, Noseforthenet said: This just makes me want Matthews more. Who has won a Conn Smythe and a cup? Ovie is a generational talent. So is Malkin. Malkin is who I would pick. Not Ovie. Dude, Ovechkin has had 7, 50 goal seasons and arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time. I know this thread isn't about why Ovechkin is superior to Malkin but he's is. Malkin is great don't get me wrong. Gino has The power to take over a game but the inconsistency and injuries are too overwhelming for me. I respect that he has a cup as well but Ovi is the great 8. One of the best to ever do it. I'm almost certain most gm's if they could redo that draft would still pick Ovechkin over Gino. Sorry to go off topic boys. But if Laine is Ovi and Mathews is Malkin I'm talking Laine all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Camel Toe Drag said: Dude, Ovechkin has had 7, 50 goal seasons and arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time. I know this thread isn't about why Ovechkin is superior to Malkin but he's is. Malkin is great don't get me wrong. Gino has The power to take over a game but the inconsistency and injuries are too overwhelming for me. I respect that he has a cup as well but Ovi is the great 8. One of the best to ever do it. I'm almost certain most gm's if they could redo that draft would still pick Ovechkin over Gino. Sorry to go off topic boys. But if Laine is Ovi and Mathews is Malkin I'm talking Laine all day. Laine's skillset is tremendous, everything Laine does offensively is very, very good, but I'm not making the Ovechkin comparison yet, not until he proves to be that kind of good in his own right. I would not call Laine a franchise forward like Ovechkin is, far from it. Let's start to make comparisons once he is in the NHL, playing against world class competition at peak performance levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedman Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 14 hours ago, Time Lord said: I just looked back at the stats of Doughty and Pietrangelo before they were drafted, and they never improved either. So is it not really an issue? I don't know why but I keep getting the feeling that Chychrun will have an underwhelming career. Maybe it's just because I don't like prospects who are overhyped for their size. Well he also improved his +/- from a -11 last year to a +23 this year. Chychrun isn't all about offense, and his points this year still puts him amongst the best defenders offensively in the OHL. He's the 3rd best draft-eligible defenceman in the OHL based on points, behind Dineen and Sergachev, 2 guys whose games are based more on offense than Chychruns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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