VanIslander89 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 5 hours ago, Alflives said: And even with this success against his peers, I heard the kid is falling in the draft! That can't be right. Can NHL teams be that ignorant, and bias against the Junior A players? In the 1st round yeah... I think so... I would be. I haven't seen enough of him to be able to comment on Jost himself(I've watched him live once), but I take my son to BCHL games in the Cowichan Valley all the time and the hockey isn't anything special. WHL over BCHL all day long no questions asked. A kid I went to school with got cut from a dub team, couldn't slug it out even in a 4th line role, then got picked up by a BCHL team and was in the top 6 and relied upon heavily for offense. I look at it as going from AHL to ECHL. Yeah, the league is full of older..bigger..more mature....duds that couldn't make it in the CHL/Pro hockey. Id expect most WHL teams to dummie BCHL teams if they were to match up. Beau Bennett wouldn't have been a 1st rounder if the 2010 draft was any good. One Brett Hull was drafted out of the BCHL, fresh off 105 goals in 57 games with a 6th round pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanIslander89 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Everyone else was doing it... I had to... Went good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 5 hours ago, funkyfresh said: Tkachuk and Dubois are the clear 4 and 5 picks, as far as I'm concerned. From what I have seen they are pretty close. Personally, I take a chance on Dubois' upside but they are both going to be great. Edit: fixed the graph Did you just make that up yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 30 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: The guy's just showing he has a sense of humour, and not the Elmer some make him out to be. It was very clearly a playful comment. But many people are as literal as Drax. Nothing flies over their head...they're too fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Conscience said: Did you just make that up yourself? Well, Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 6 hours ago, funkyfresh said: Tkachuk and Dubois are the clear 4 and 5 picks, as far as I'm concerned. From what I have seen they are pretty close. Personally, I take a chance on Dubois' upside but they are both going to be great. Edit: fixed the graph That's better, for sure. I think you you might want to reconsider the Defensive Play and Poise evaluations, especially the former. It's all debatable, naturally, but IMHO there aren't many aspects Tkachuk beats Dubois on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Another 5 points for Tyson Jost tonight. This is damn well ridiculous. Does Canada have to spank the Fins with Pulujarvi on the team in the finals to make it clear this kid is going to be lights out?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 minute ago, theminister said: That's better, for sure. I think you you might want to reconsider the Defensive Play and Poise evaluations, especially the former. It's all debatable, naturally, but IMHO there are many aspects Tkachuk beats Dubois on. From what I have seen, Tkachuk is the better defensive player and I think he is a bit more patient with the puck. Dubois puts in the effort but it's like his team has no defensive system at times. There is a lot of puck chasing going on. Sometimes, he is at the LW spot and goes all way to the RD spot to help out, causing a domino effect where everyone is covering for someone else. And I agree, Tkachuk is better than Dubois in many aspects. Dubois, though, has a better shot, more size, and is the better skater. I don't think those three things can be debated. Overall, I think both are safe choices. However, if both hit their potential, Dubois is going to be the better player. I would take that risk but listening to Benning on TSN, I get the feeling his list is: Matthews Finn Finn Tkachuk One of the Dmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, funkyfresh said: Well, Yeah. A graphic with no axis whatsoever, and based solely on some dudes opinion? Seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Jost is certainly making a case to be picked ahead of McCleod, Nylander, Chychrun, Sergachyov based on u18 performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Noseforthenet said: Another 5 points for Tyson Jost tonight. This is damn well ridiculous. Does Canada have to spank the Fins with Pulujarvi on the team in the finals to make it clear this kid is going to be lights out?! Your right he's playing amazing, but unless we are picking 6th or trading down he's not in our sight lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 38 minutes ago, Mrbigyellowbus said: A graphic with no axis whatsoever, and based solely on some dudes opinion? Seems legit. Everyone here is discussing their opinion, I just made a graphic to show how I value these players. What's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 hour ago, messier's_elbow said: Your right he's playing amazing, but unless we are picking 6th or trading down he's not in our sight lines I think he's much better than his draft ranking. By alot, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, Noseforthenet said: I think he's much better than his draft ranking. By alot, actually. Where would you have him ranked? It would be cool if we picked Jost him and Boeser would have chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Barzal was dominant at the u18s last year and still fell to 16th. That's primarily due to Boston taking a dump with all 3 of their first round picks though. Anyways, it certainly helps Jost's case, as previously his level of competition was only the BCHL, but now he's facing the top players in his age group, and thus far he's been dominant. I've been able to watch every game of the Tournament, and Jost is by far the runaway best forward. He is used in every situation, including the PK (from which he scored a shorty to open the scoring). His 14 points is tied with McDavid for the tournament record, and he still has 2 games to surpass that. He and Fabbro are both looking like top 10 picks, there's something going on in Penticton to turn out that quality of player. I'd put Bitten and Howden with Jost as the best forwards for team Canada. Bitten is just all around good, while Howden looks like a gem if he falls past the 20s. Anyways, the games are worth checking out for those who haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Ossi Vaananen said: Barzal was dominant at the u18s last year and still fell to 16th. That's primarily due to Boston taking a dump with all 3 of their first round picks though. Anyways, it certainly helps Jost's case, as previously his level of competition was only the BCHL, but now he's facing the top players in his age group, and thus far he's been dominant. I've been able to watch every game of the Tournament, and Jost is by far the runaway best forward. He is used in every situation, including the PK (from which he scored a shorty to open the scoring). His 14 points is tied with McDavid for the tournament record, and he still has 2 games to surpass that. He and Fabbro are both looking like top 10 picks, there's something going on in Penticton to turn out that quality of player. I'd put Bitten and Howden with Jost as the best forwards for team Canada. Bitten is just all around good, while Howden looks like a gem if he falls past the 20s. Anyways, the games are worth checking out for those who haven't. I watched the first game. Are any of the games on YouTube yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Wasn't it Benning that said earlier on this year that Tkachuk was the best in the draft from the circles in for N.A. skaters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 8 hours ago, funkyfresh said: From what I have seen, Tkachuk is the better defensive player and I think he is a bit more patient with the puck. Dubois puts in the effort but it's like his team has no defensive system at times. There is a lot of puck chasing going on. Sometimes, he is at the LW spot and goes all way to the RD spot to help out, causing a domino effect where everyone is covering for someone else. And I agree, Tkachuk is better than Dubois in many aspects. Dubois, though, has a better shot, more size, and is the better skater. I don't think those three things can be debated. Overall, I think both are safe choices. However, if both hit their potential, Dubois is going to be the better player. I would take that risk but listening to Benning on TSN, I get the feeling his list is: Matthews Finn Finn Tkachuk One of the Dmen Dubois might be bigger, but Tkachuk is thick af and he's much more stronger, physical. The better playmaker? Dubois. The better goal scorer? Tkachuk. All-around (physical, size, playmaking, goal scoring, poise, OFA, DFA) combined? I have to go with Tkachuk. Although Dubois does make a strong argument but IMO, Tkachuk, being in a London Knights system, 107 pts, 26pts atm in 11 games, does the little things such as winning board battles etc (both do that), strong on the puck, etc. The only reason why I don't have Dubois at 4th is because he's a risky prospect, although the ceiling is much higher. I'm not going to suggest why since i've done it dozens of times eg. lower competition =inflated stats you would think, easy competition, his draft ranking hasn't been all too consistent up until recently where he's a sure top 6 in the draft whereas Tkachuk has been consistently ranked at 4th/5th range all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 18 minutes ago, Odd. said: Dubois might be bigger, but Tkachuk is thick af and he's much more stronger, physical. The better playmaker? Dubois. The better goal scorer? Tkachuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Super impressed with what Ive seen with Jost and Fabbro. This is why I hate when players of this kind of quality opt to play in lesser leagues. So hard to tell what you have in them until they suit up against the best in their age bracket. Jost has easily been the most noticeable player for every game Ive watched. Hes out in every situation, and definitely has poise with the way he holds himself on the ice. Strong skater, High IQ, solid puck skills, leadership qualities. Definitely has jumped up my own list, but I havent seen him all year until just now, so I have no idea how far hes come since the start of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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