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12 minutes ago, Green Building said:

And that's the real question isn't it. Did Dubois' stock rise to 4th/5th overall because he was a semi late bloomer who will continue his upward trajectory? Or because of one lucky season at a specific moment in his development?

 

If Dubois is on the board at 5 I'd prefer to take him IF the trade involves a winger coming back. I know we appear to be somewhat set at center, but if Dubois stuns at the position, or turns out to be a great 2nd line center, I'd want that over a first line winger with comparable offense.

 

Difficult to project so many unknowns, but since we've been building from the D out thus far we may as well shore up the middle before focusing on the wing, unless there's a crazy good offensive prospect that just falls into our lap via trade, that is. 

 

I don't see Edler waiving for Arizona, so in my mind any deal wouldn't involve him anyways. 

 

When you really break things down, JB might not have acculated picks, but he's sure done a good job of acquiring assets, especially on D, leading up to the draft.  He's got some options.

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

When you really break things down, JB might not have acculated picks, but he's sure done a good job of acquiring assets, especially on D, leading up to the draft.  He's got some options.

Completely agree. I'm happy to be in the camp that sees a lot of value in acquiring Guddy for McCann and a 2nd. Nothing against McCann at all, I both think and hope he'll be a great player in the league one day, but it's much harder to find top 4 D and at this moment the trade is close to fair value. From a Canucks perspective totally fills a top 4 gap, and if nothing else creates a hell of a lot of competition at camp come September.

 

I'm a fan of Edler and Sbisa, albeit for different reasons. Speaking of options, they would be the 2 players that would get us a half decent pick or better come draft day. Hypothetically, my choice would be to move Edler (if he would be willing to waive - not much hope in that I wouldn't think but it's all hypothetical anyways) since Sbisa stepped his game up a nice notch last season, and I'd like to give him one more year to see what he can do. Hammer would obviously like to come back, perhaps even on a 1 year deal. We've got to assume we keep the rest of our young forwards, and if we move a defenceman for a pick or 2 we could see some of this purported JB draft skill on the 24th.

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2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Better than Dubois-Horvat-Boeser?

 

I'm not so sure, which is why I don't see the motivation to move the 5th.

 

Dubois plays with the same edge, is fast and skilled, and is bigger than Domi.

Personally I believe Domi is more skilled than Dubois who seems to be a power forward specialist. Domi also has all kinds of speed. The only thing Dubois has over Domi is size

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2 hours ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

Domi has the vision to set up the pure sniper in Boeser.

Domi is less risk, Dubois has had one really good season in the Q.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Dubois.

I don't know how much impact he would have had as a 16 year old in his first year..His 2nd season stats are very impressive.

 

Dubois spent 2015-16 with the Cap Breton Screaming Eagles. As a 17 year old, he ranked 5th in the QMJHL in goals(42), 6th in assists(57), 3rd in points(99), 6th in Plus/Minus(+40) and 5th in Points Per Game(1.60). Those numbers are impressive. Even more impressive is the fact that every player who finished ahead of him are between 1-3 years older than Dubois.

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24 minutes ago, two drink minimum said:

Personally I believe Domi is more skilled than Dubois who seems to be a power forward specialist. Domi also has all kinds of speed. The only thing Dubois has over Domi is size

Domi had two more seasons in junior to work on his skill. Dubois is far from finished developing his skill, which is already very good at 17.

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20 minutes ago, two drink minimum said:

Personally I believe Domi is more skilled than Dubois who seems to be a power forward specialist. Domi also has all kinds of speed. The only thing Dubois has over Domi is size

Domi is over rated, if we had Domi, I'd rather package him for Drouin.

 

Any undersized player, has to be exceptional or your wasting a roster spot. Don't see anything exceptional about Domi.

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3 hours ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

Agreed.

I think Tkachuck will be a #1 LW, that will do a lot of the dirty work for a #1C, but not a franchise player.

I personally wouldn't pay #20 for Edler, but I've grown tired of Edler and maybe he is worth more to an Arizona.

 

I think #5 + Edler is fair for

Domi + #20 + #53.

Jeepers....

Taylor Hall had similar numbers as Tkachuk. Tkachuk played half the OHL playoffs and all Memorial Cup with a buggered leg whilst remaining a huge factor and put up the same numbers as Hall. Hall got to be labeled "Franchise Player" and now that's not good enough?

 

I do realise that Arizona package is a little far fetched and I can't wait till more believable proposal rumours come out.

 

Whether we simply draft Tkachuk/Dubois or trade down for a Domi package.....I'm ok with.

 

As for the trade....TkachuK was born in Scottsdale and could be viewed as 2nd prize to Matthews. During interviews, Matt raves about playing in the non-traditional markets such as Arizona. 

Paired with Dvorak, he could be worth more than Domi and not just a lateral move. 

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Craig Button on Tkachuk, good for a laugh:

 

"Who does he remind you of? How 'bout New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski. He can run over you, and he can also catch the pass. Oh yeah, and give him some open space and he'll run to the endzone. Who will be his Tom Brady?"

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, missioncanucksfan said:

Jeepers....

Taylor Hall had similar numbers as Tkachuk. Tkachuk played half the OHL playoffs and all Memorial Cup with a buggered leg whilst remaining a huge factor and put up the same numbers as Hall. Hall got to be labeled "Franchise Player" and now that's not good enough?

 

I do realise that Arizona package is a little far fetched and I can't wait till more believable proposal rumours come out.

 

Whether we simply draft Tkachuk/Dubois or trade down for a Domi package.....I'm ok with.

 

As for the trade....TkachuK was born in Scottsdale and could be viewed as 2nd prize to Matthews. During interviews, Matt raves about playing in the non-traditional markets such as Arizona. 

Paired with Dvorak, he could be worth more than Domi and not just a lateral move. 

Hall does not reflect on Tkachuk...at all. They are hugely different players that just happen to both play LW.

Hall was a #1, pretty much consensus pick.

You think Tkachuk should be labelled a "Franchise Player"?

 

He's potentially a #1 LW, why is that not a good enough of a prediction for Matthew Tkachuk?

Jeepers...

 

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8 hours ago, GettinGuddyWithIt said:

Wow I just found out Dubois is born on June 24. (same day as the draft)

He's turning 18. Let's say if he was born on June 25 or 26, would he be eligible for the draft as he would only be 17 years of age?

The cutoff date is September 15th of the year the player turns 18. So players eligible (for the first time) for this year's draft are either born before September 15th, 1998 or after September 15th, 1997. For example, Matthews is born September 17th 1997 so he's draft-eligible for the first time this year, but had he been born just 2 two days earlier it would've been last year.

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9 hours ago, missioncanucksfan said:

Jeepers....

Taylor Hall had similar numbers as Tkachuk. Tkachuk played half the OHL playoffs and all Memorial Cup with a buggered leg whilst remaining a huge factor and put up the same numbers as Hall. Hall got to be labeled "Franchise Player" and now that's not good enough?

 

I do realise that Arizona package is a little far fetched and I can't wait till more believable proposal rumours come out.

 

Whether we simply draft Tkachuk/Dubois or trade down for a Domi package.....I'm ok with.

 

As for the trade....TkachuK was born in Scottsdale and could be viewed as 2nd prize to Matthews. During interviews, Matt raves about playing in the non-traditional markets such as Arizona. 

Paired with Dvorak, he could be worth more than Domi and not just a lateral move. 

 

I don’t think most people see Tkachuk as a franchise player, a very good player. Yes but not a franchise.  I think most people view him similar to a JVR, or Bobby Ryan type player.  A 60 point guy that has some edge to his game.  Domi has similar projections and in his first NHL year he put up 52 points.  So for the Coyotes to trade for the 5th overall so they can take Tkachuk, it’s almost a wash in value.  No one is really upgrading except canucks get a NHL ready player and ARZ gets a player two years out, with maybe a little higher potential (depend on who you ask)

 

If ARZ management is really sold on Tkachuk they will have to pay more to upgrade,  That’s where the 2nd round pick comes into play.  Domi + 53rd is more than enough value for the 5th overall.  That's where the idea that  “if” canucks were to trade the pick to help up make playoffs next year.  We’d expect a young NHL ready forward and a 2nd round pick. As Benning has already stated.

 

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“We’re doing our due diligence. If we can move down and get a top-six player and a second-round pick, we have to keep our options open.”

 

Taylor Hall also lead his team in points by a 25 point gap.  He and Seguin were 12 points ahead of the next closest player in the league,  Different years, different competition, different stats.  Just like Gagner who was considered a franchise player after putting up 118 points in his draft year and was 3rd on his team (like Tkachuk) behind kane and Kostitsyn,

 

He was born in ARZ but he’s still considers STL home. That really should hold no value in the yotes decision just like flames aren’t saying lets take Nylander because he was born in Calgary. 

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9 hours ago, newgm said:

Domi is over rated, if we had Domi, I'd rather package him for Drouin.

 

Any undersized player, has to be exceptional or your wasting a roster spot. Don't see anything exceptional about Domi.

How is Domi over-rated?

 

C/LW

52 points in rookie year, 40 being either 5on5 or PK. As a 20 year old, with only 16:22 avg time on the ice a game.

World Championship Team Canada at barely 21 years old.

Sticks up for teammates/fights.

Fast, elite acceleration/speed.

Elite puckhandling, vision.

History with Horvat.

 

He is actually very similar to Drouin will Drouin being slightly better offensively, with Domi being tougher.

Drouin would cost more than Domi, I would guess the #5 plus.

 

The only downsize I see in Domi is his height (5'10) and discipline as he can go full Bertuzzi at times.

How can you not see Domi has exceptional attributes, how is he overrated?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

How is Domi over-rated?

 

C/LW

52 points in rookie year, 40 being either 5on5 or PK. As a 20 year old, with only 16:22 avg time on the ice a game.

World Championship Team Canada at barely 21 years old.

Sticks up for teammates/fights.

Fast, elite acceleration/speed.

Elite puckhandling, vision.

History with Horvat.

 

He is actually very similar to Drouin will Drouin being slightly better offensively, with Domi being tougher.

Drouin would cost more than Domi, I would guess the #5 plus.

 

The only downsize I see in Domi is his height (5'10) and discipline as he can go full Bertuzzi at times.

How can you not see Domi has exceptional attributes, how is he overrated?

 

 

I like Domi too, but he is quick, not fast.  

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27 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I like Domi too, but he is quick, not fast.  

From scouting reports I've read on him.

"Fairly small but a balanced skater with very good lower-body strength, all this Domi shares with his father on the ice is a name. Max Domi is a wonderful playmaker with fantastic puckhandling. He is a good skater with quick acceleration and elite top-end speed. Domi likes to stay low, which, combined with his tremendous skating and skills with the puck, compensates for his small stature. While offensive skillset enable to him to be a center, winger, playmaker or finisher, Domi needs to work on his defensive game and discipline."

 

His defensive game deficiencies would be nulled by Horvat's strong two-way game.

Anyone who thinks Horvat isn't a good defensive Center doesn't understand why Horvat had a terrible +- last year.

(20 year old matched up against oppositions top line, terrible/soft defenseman behind him, majority defensive zone starts) 

Would be shocked if Horvat's +- this year is anywhere near last years with a healthy Sutter matching up against top lines, and a much more solid, balanced d corps.

I have no doubt Horvat will one day be a Selke nominee.

 

2016-17

Domi-Henrik-Eriksson

Daniel-Sutter-Hansen

Baer-Horvat-Etem

Guance-Granlund/Vey-Virtanen

 

2018-19

Domi-Horvat-Boeser

Daniel-Henrik-Eriksson

Baert-Sutter-Virt

Guance-Cassels-Etem

 

I'd be happy with Dubois also but he's a ways away. I think that 2016-17 roster above makes the playoffs and the top three line can all produce.

 

2016-17 PP
L1 Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson
L2 Domi-Horvat-Baertschi
Two good PP units
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