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15 minutes ago, chickenman92 said:

That's a tough question. I'd say he's worth a 28-35 type pick. So I'd value him as a real late 1st or real early 2nd. 

In all honesty, I think tossing in Vancouver's 3rd evens things out, but I wouldn't want to give up another pick in this year's draft, which is why I'd be willing to give up a 2nd next year in exchange for Buffalo waiting a year. 

Three seasons in, 22, 6'1

71gp, 7g, 11a, +- 0

I understand he got third line mins I imagine behind Eichel and Reinhart, but he would aslo be paired against third pairing D.

Not sure I see the point in obtaining him for the value of a mid-late first.

Doesn't make sense  to me.

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14 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

Three seasons in, 22, 6'1

71gp, 7g, 11a, +- 0

I understand he got third line mins I imagine behind Eichel and Reinhart, but he would aslo be paired against third pairing D.

Not sure I see the point in obtaining him for the value of a mid-late first.

Doesn't make sense  to me.

Bit of a rough year. He had 15 goals the year before on a real bad team. I think a lot of people still view him as a bit of a tweener (2/3rd liner) that might pop in 20, play tough and physical, as well as, kill penalties. 

 

I think in a lot of sense, he'd Horvat, minus 15-20 points once he hits his prime in a season or two. 

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19 minutes ago, chickenman92 said:

Bit of a rough year. He had 15 goals the year before on a real bad team. I think a lot of people still view him as a bit of a tweener (2/3rd liner) that might pop in 20, play tough and physical, as well as, kill penalties. 

 

I think in a lot of sense, he'd Horvat, minus 15-20 points once he hits his prime in a season or two. 

Sure, but is that what we need with the investment of a mid to late 1st rounder when we need #1LW, 1C, and 1D?

I think we could use the assets in a bundle to acquire what we really need more.

Just a thought

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46 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

Do you think Girgensons is worth more that a 2nd rndr, and the loss of #5-#8? Seems fair to me, maybe an over payment...i'm not sure where he slots in with us.

 

47 minutes ago, chickenman92 said:

At the deadline there was a rumour they were souring on Girgensons a little and were open to exploring trade options. 

 

Personally, I wouldn't even consider Girgensons and a 2nd for No. 5, but I think he could be use to trade up three places if Vancouver sent something back Buffalo's way. I'd say Gaunce or a 2nd would balance it out. 

His value has been hurt that much huh? 

 

Personally i don't like the trade anyway as I'd much rather draft Tkachuk or Dubois and get a player with greater offensive potential. I don't think Girgensons is really old or developed enough to fit Benning's MO either.

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4 minutes ago, Wild Sean Monahan said:

 

His value has been hurt that much huh? 

 

Personally i don't like the trade anyway as I'd much rather draft Tkachuk or Dubois and get a player with greater offensive potential. I don't think Girgensons is really old or developed enough to fit Benning's MO either.

I don't think I'd deal for him either, but Girgensons is right up Jim Benning's alley. I could see him acquiring him if the price was right and I could see his name come up if the Sabres feel like moving up. 

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4 hours ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

From scouting reports I've read on him.

"Fairly small but a balanced skater with very good lower-body strength, all this Domi shares with his father on the ice is a name. Max Domi is a wonderful playmaker with fantastic puckhandling. He is a good skater with quick acceleration and elite top-end speed. Domi likes to stay low, which, combined with his tremendous skating and skills with the puck, compensates for his small stature. While offensive skillset enable to him to be a center, winger, playmaker or finisher, Domi needs to work on his defensive game and discipline."

 

His defensive game deficiencies would be nulled by Horvat's strong two-way game.

Anyone who thinks Horvat isn't a good defensive Center doesn't understand why Horvat had a terrible +- last year.

(20 year old matched up against oppositions top line, terrible/soft defenseman behind him, majority defensive zone starts) 

Would be shocked if Horvat's +- this year is anywhere near last years with a healthy Sutter matching up against top lines, and a much more solid, balanced d corps.

I have no doubt Horvat will one day be a Selke nominee.

 

2016-17

Domi-Henrik-Eriksson

Daniel-Sutter-Hansen

Baer-Horvat-Etem

Guance-Granlund/Vey-Virtanen

 

2018-19

Domi-Horvat-Boeser

Daniel-Henrik-Eriksson

Baert-Sutter-Virt

Guance-Cassels-Etem

 

I'd be happy with Dubois also but he's a ways away. I think that 2016-17 roster above makes the playoffs and the top three line can all produce.

 

2016-17 PP
L1 Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson
L2 Domi-Horvat-Baertschi
Two good PP units

Watching him play, his straight line skating is not elite.  Yes, he is EXTREMELY quick, but his top speed is not elite - IMHAO.

i absolutely would love him on our team though.  He's an elite talent, regardless of top speed.

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6 minutes ago, chickenman92 said:

I don't think I'd deal for him either, but Girgensons is right up Jim Benning's alley. I could see him acquiring him if the price was right and I could see his name come up if the Sabres feel like moving up. 

If we're giving up our fifth overall in a deal for Girgensons I'd expect their ninth overall to be part of it as well. Or I really hope it would be, at least. 

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Just now, Wild Sean Monahan said:

If we're giving up our fifth overall in a deal for Girgensons I'd expect their ninth overall to be part of it as well. Or I really hope it would be, at least. 

I think it would be as part of a move down to 8 type of deal. 

It also wouldn't surprise me if Benning moved Baertschi or Granlund if the Sabres are willing. I could see Benning preferring Girgensons to both those players  

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Just now, chickenman92 said:

I think it would be as part of a move down to 8 type of deal. 

It also wouldn't surprise me if Benning moved Baertschi or Granlund if the Sabres are willing. I could see Benning preferring Girgensons to both those players  

Are they at 8th? Thought it was 9th.

 

tough to say...to me, the risk of trading baerschi doesn't really outweigh the reward. He's "old" by prospect standards (if you'd still call him one) and his development went stagnant for a while but he seems to have turned a corner. His skill is high-end and we don't have a ton of young guys with skill like that to spare. Granlund I'd be okay with if the deal was right. Not that I dislike him, I just think it would be an easier pill to swallow.

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http://canucksarmy.com/2016/6/13/pierre-luc-dubois-vs-matthew-tkachuk

 

This is a good article about which one of Dubois or tkachuk we should pick at 5. I'm really hoping for Dubois but tkachuk is also just as good. Of the 48 points in 22 games he scored in the playoffs 38 of them were primary points, with 7 of 8 of the points in the memorial cup also primary points. He is clearly not just a passenger on that line! He also was playing on one ankle and stepped up in the biggest game of the year.

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I can't believe how some folks on here undervalue Alex Elder. He is absolutely worth a high first round pick if traded.

 

He's going nowhere IMHO. He has finally received the help he needs to flourish.

 

And what's all this speculation around the 5th ++ for Domi? Why would anyone trade the 5th pick which will more than likely be a bigger and equally as skilled player. 

 

 

 

Ffs.....

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6 minutes ago, riske1 said:

I can't believe how some folks on here undervalue Alex Elder. He is absolutely worth a high first round pick if traded.

 

He's going nowhere IMHO. He has finally received the help he needs to flourish.

 

And what's all this speculation around the 5th ++ for Domi? Why would anyone trade the 5th pick which will more than likely be a bigger and equally as skilled player. 

 

 

 

Ffs.....

JB is trying to get guys who a NHL ready now, but are still early twenties - Granlund, Gudbrandson for example.  Domi fits that classification.  JB might do something very strange with that pick.  I hope not, but he might.

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8 minutes ago, riske1 said:

I can't believe how some folks on here undervalue Alex Elder. He is absolutely worth a high first round pick if traded.

 

He's going nowhere IMHO. He has finally received the help he needs to flourish.

 

And what's all this speculation around the 5th ++ for Domi? Why would anyone trade the 5th pick which will more than likely be a bigger and equally as skilled player. 

 

 

 

Ffs.....

I don't get it either. People keep complaining bout Benning trading away picks to try and speed up the rebuild, now we should trade away our highest pick since the Sedins to do it again?

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24 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

I don't get it either. People keep complaining bout Benning trading away picks to try and speed up the rebuild, now we should trade away our highest pick since the Sedins to do it again?

Trading down the #5 pick is a dumb idea...period...IMO....whether it be for lesser prospects,or draft picks later on (from what I've read,there's a significant drop off after #20..that's probably why JB weighed the consequences,and moved this years 2nd).

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1 hour ago, riske1 said:

I can't believe how some folks on here undervalue Alex Elder. He is absolutely worth a high first round pick if traded.

 

He's going nowhere IMHO. He has finally received the help he needs to flourish.

 

And what's all this speculation around the 5th ++ for Domi? Why would anyone trade the 5th pick which will more than likely be a bigger and equally as skilled player. 

 

 

 

Ffs.....

Specifically, what pick is he worth in your opinion?

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

I don't get it either. People keep complaining bout Benning trading away picks to try and speed up the rebuild, now we should trade away our highest pick since the Sedins to do it again?

Those people who are complaing about trading picks, are probably not the same people asking to trade the #5.

 

You trade the #5 because we probably won't get an asset like this again for a long time with this ownership/management unwilling to take it down to the foundation.

The two most important things our team needs in the pool is a #1D, and a #1C, both of which won't happen at #5.

A smart management would try and turn that #5 + into our highest priority need (#1d-#1c)

 

Nobody is saying Tkachuk/Dubois are bums, but they do come with a risk that we as an organization can not afford to fail with.

The chances of Dubois becoming a #1C are very slim. There is no #1D or #1C in this draft that don't come with a big risk.

 

So we take Tkachuk or Dubois...where is the future #1D and #1C coming from, because I don't think that person is in this draft, and it might not be available in the mid first round next year either.

 

Where are those players coming from, because looking at the past cup winners since the dawn of time shows that #1D and #1C are kinda important?

 

In my opinion you need to explore the options, if one doesn't arise before the draft, fine, draft Dubois, but keep exploring moving him for that said #1D or #1C.

 

Jim Benning having tunnel vision and just burying his head saying "not trading #5 no matter what!" is not good management of an extremely important asset when we have very important team deficiencies.

If a trade involving the #5 gives us a less risky, but more expensive shot at a #1C or a #1D or even a young bonafide (proven) #1LW, you make that trade.

We can't afford our #5 pic to become a 2nd line winger, #2d or a second line center...we got those.

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7 minutes ago, Cowichan Canuck said:

The chances of Dubois becoming a #1C are very slim. There is no #1D or #1C in this draft that don't come with a big risk.

 

So we take Tkachuk or Dubois...where is the future #1D and #1C coming from, because I don't think that person is in this draft, and it might not be available in the mid first round next year either.

I don't agree that the chances of him becoming a number 1 center are slim, and I don't think Benning does either. He has all the tools to be that player, it's up to proper development to take him the rest of the way though.

 

And the claim that there's no #1 D in this draft is false. Yes their is risk with some of them, but there's risk with every pick. I guarantee one of Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev, or Fabbro become a number 1 D-man. The only question is which one, which is harder to answer.

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1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

I don't agree that the chances of him becoming a number 1 center is slim, and I don't think Benning does either. He has all the tools to be that layer, it's up to proper development to take him the rest of the way though.

 

And the claim that there's no #1 D in this draft is false. Yes their is risk with some of them, but there's risk with every pick. I guarantee one of Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev, or Fabbro become a number 1 D-man. The only question is which one, which is harder to answer.

Yes, I agree, risk with every pick.

 

We can't afford that risk DeNiro.

 

There is a #1D in this draft, there always is, but nobody right now knows who this is, this is why Keith went #52

We can't afford shots in the dark.

We NEED #1C and #1D, not hope.

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