thad Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I think the expansion draft has to be considered if JB makes any deal involving the pick. I'm not sure I could make a deal if it's not a Galchenyuk caliber player coming back. If we're gonna lose a player we better have a damn good one we've gotta protect. 90% chance we're making the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Acquiring players you don't need to protect is going to be important for teams this season. Assets have no value if they're lost in the expansion draft. One of the reason I would be wary of signing a free agent this summer. If we sign 2 FA's we lose 2 protected spots for young guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 5 hours ago, Derp... said: Acquiring players you don't need to protect is going to be important for teams this season. Assets have no value if they're lost in the expansion draft. One of the reason I would be wary of signing a free agent this summer. If we sign 2 FA's we lose 2 protected spots for young guys. Don't forget that they can only take 1 player for us. Like you said we will lose 2 protected spots. If we sign let's say eriksson and brouwerare you going to be that beat up on losing granlund Sbisa or etem? I'd rather have eriksson and brouwer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Gooseberries said: Don't forget that they can only take 1 player for us. Like you said we will lose 2 protected spots. If we sign let's say eriksson and brouwerare you going to be that beat up on losing granlund Sbisa or etem? I'd rather have eriksson and brouwer. Our just leave Eriksson unprotected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, J.R. said: Our just leave Eriksson unprotected... But why would you sign him to play with the twins expecting him to produce 20-30 goals and leave him unprotected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharbinder Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 13 hours ago, Alflives said: Chucky + 9th pick? = 5th pick + Sbisa? or Edler? It would have to be.... AG + 9th + Markov -for- 5th + Edler. Then that leaves us with.... Sbisa-Tanev (hopefully helps Sbisa improve) Hutton-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Markov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, sharbinder said: It would have to be.... AG + 9th + Markov -for- 5th + Edler. Then that leaves us with.... Sbisa-Tanev (hopefully helps Sbisa improve) Hutton-Gudbranson Tryamkin-Markov Plus bean Chychrun jolieve or Sergachev that we take with the 9th. When Markov retires we have a he'll of a team Sedin sedin UFA Galchenyuk horvat virtanen Beartschi Sutter Boeser Gaunce Granlund hansen Hutton-Tanev Sbisa-gudbransen Tyramkin-whoever we draft this year Markstrom Demko Boat load of potential in this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: But why would you sign him to play with the twins expecting him to produce 20-30 goals and leave him unprotected? I wouldn't sign him to play with the twins. Our at least only on the PP. Sign him to a nice 4'ish year deal, play him next year then let him go to Vegas. Then Boeser comes up, maybe Dubois and we look at perhaps another UFA next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Plus bean Chychrun jolieve or Sergachev that we take with the 9th. When Markov retires we have a he'll of a team Sedin sedin UFA Galchenyuk horvat virtanen Beartschi Sutter Boeser Gaunce Granlund hansen Hutton-Tanev Sbisa-gudbransen Tyramkin-whoever we draft this year Markstrom Demko Boat load of potential in this team. Damn. Markov had 44pts as a 37 year old. I think this guy can actually HELP us with our defensive problems while bringing in his leadership and his offensive abilities that are still there at age 37. That's impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Odd. said: Damn. Markov had 44pts as a 37 year old. I think this guy can actually HELP us with our defensive problems while bringing in his leadership and his offensive abilities that are still there at age 37. That's impressive. *Playing with Subban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, J.R. said: I wouldn't sign him to play with the twins. Our at least only on the PP. Sign him to a nice 4'ish year deal, play him next year then let him go to Vegas. Then Boeser comes up, maybe Dubois and we look at perhaps another UFA next summer. Not against that but you know every brand name ufa is looking for a nmc to guarantee no Vegas napping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayingBurke Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 30 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Not against that but you know every brand name ufa is looking for a nmc to guarantee no Vegas napping. I think you're accurate in this likelihood--whether it is term or some clause--these big name players will want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 43 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Not against that but you know every brand name ufa is looking for a nmc to guarantee no Vegas napping. Likely. But there's only so many jobs, so much cap space etc. If a guy like eriksson wants one, he better be OK with a pay cut IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.R. said: Likely. But there's only so many jobs, so much cap space etc. If a guy like eriksson wants one, he better be OK with a pay cut IMO. This is how we don't land a big free agents. If we don't someone else will. We neeeeeed to improve scoring. We do so this year by signing a brand name winger. You know who the 4 are. We give them what they want or we draft top 5 again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayingBurke Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Gooseberries said: This is how we don't land a big free agents. If we don't someone else will. We neeeeeed to improve scoring. We do so this year by signing a brand name winger. You know who the 4 are. We give them what they want or we draft top 5 again next year. Given the competition in the West, and given our current roster I elect for the latter. Rather have another high pick, and continue to grow the farm team. The Canucks enjoyed nearly 8 years of playoffs and competitiveness. We're not the Red Wings, we can't turn 7th round picks into Gold, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 1 minute ago, PlayingBurke said: Given the competition in the West, and given our current roster I elect for the latter. Rather have another high pick, and continue to grow the farm team. The Canucks enjoyed nearly 8 years of playoffs and competitiveness. We're not the Red Wings, we can't turn 7th round picks into Gold, sadly. The wings haven't done that lately either. While you are entitled to your own opinion on how to return us back to glory, I share a different one. The sharks and penguins proved to me that we can still win a cup with minor changes. The sharks history and resent results aren't so different than ours. If Thornton and Marleau can return to form why can't the sedins. Couple high talent picks sprinkled in (pavelski horvat couture Boeser hertl virtanen) paired with a hot young goalie (jones markstrom/demko) all we need is to hit the lottery on a bona-fide number 1 defensman. All in all I think anything can happen of we make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: This is how we don't land a big free agents. If we don't someone else will. We neeeeeed to improve scoring. We do so this year by signing a brand name winger. You know who the 4 are. We give them what they want or we draft top 5 again next year. If we can't sign payers we want for terms that make sense, I'd prefer we didn't. I don't want to be saddled with bad contracts for an extra ~15 goals. If that means we pick higher next year, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, PlayingBurke said: Given the competition in the West, and given our current roster I elect for the latter. Rather have another high pick, and continue to grow the farm team. The Canucks enjoyed nearly 8 years of playoffs and competitiveness. We're not the Red Wings, we can't turn 7th round picks into Gold, sadly. I agree. Id rather continue with the rebuild. We need a couple more high picks. If you look at who we have for prospects, look 5 years down the road when these kids are developed, the team isn't good enough to win. Other teams have MUCH better prospect pools than us. We need more high end picks in the system before we go back to trying to compete for the cup. We still don't have close to enough scoring in our future line up, and we need to improve our defence prospects too. Let's suck for a couple more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 18 hours ago, Sedintwinpowersactivate said: My guess is that the forward is Dubois and the D Man is Juolevi. I hope the forward they like is Dubois and the D man is Sergachyov. I guess you are right... time will tell The part that confuses me is jb says he likes 6 players at 5. Is that to make a team below to squirm and cought up ++ to swap positions. I could see TKachuk in van or Calgary. Him as part of the flames would be game over. This draft is so nerve raking. At least in Jakes draft year I was confident we would land Jake but this year it's a real toss up. I'm curious where this year's d in the draft stack up to last year's proverov, Hannifin, and werenski. Hmmm... what do u guys think and have you heard any comparisons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayingBurke Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Gooseberries said: The wings haven't done that lately either. While you are entitled to your own opinion on how to return us back to glory, I share a different one. The sharks and penguins proved to me that we can still win a cup with minor changes. The sharks history and resent results aren't so different than ours. If Thornton and Marleau can return to form why can't the sedins. Couple high talent picks sprinkled in (pavelski horvat couture Boeser hertl virtanen) paired with a hot young goalie (jones markstrom/demko) all we need is to hit the lottery on a bona-fide number 1 defensman. All in all I think anything can happen of we make the playoffs. All right, that maybe true about the Wings, I was simply just giving an example of their franchise extended success compared to say ours. I can see your position and optimization here, and I respect it. However, I think you need to check optimization with pragmatism on a consistent bases. There are certain compatibles between the Sharks and Canucks, but there are also many degrees of differences between them. I don't think it is fair to compare Pavelski and Horvat, or Couture and Boeser, at least not yet. Maybe in 4-6 years we will be making such comparisons, but not for the upcoming season. The Goaltending and Virtanen/Hertl comparison I will agree, but only because goaltending is more of a hot/cold scenario, and very difficult to predict. Furthermore, I don't see anyone stepping up this upcoming season to become a legit top 2 defensemen (like Letang or Burns). I think the Canucks have some potential guys that could become top 2 guys (Trymakin and Grubdranson), but again, not next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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