Warhippy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 OK new game plan. Bare with me here. Canucks manage to win the 1st overall pick. Arizona ends up drafting 3rd overall. Canucks trade Tanev/Matthews (1st overall) to Arizona for Arizona's 2016 1st and and 2017 2nd and 3rd, Domi and OEL. Canucks then trade OEL and a 2015 3rd 2018 1st to [Insert other team in top 3 here] Canucks draft Laine/Pujujarvi Entire league schemes to come up with cute nicknames like the bobsy twins, sisters give them no respect their entire career; eastern media pays no attention to them and vancouver gets showered with hate upon hate after the Finnish duo goes on to rampage against not only the NHL but the world mens and olympic mens for the next 16 years before retiring with 4 cups, world and olympic gold and multiple MVP and scoring trophies between them benning goes down in history as the architect of an amazing trade that cemented the newest canadian dynasty and Flames fans the world over gripe and moan about their 1 whole cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 We could be drafting 3rd overall by Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 we need ownership to understand a rebuild with austin matthews makes more sense financially then struggling every year to get bounced in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: we need ownership to understand a rebuild with austin matthews makes more sense financially then struggling every year to get bounced in the playoffs the Aquillini`s have followed the Canucks as normal fans like you and me probably before any of us were born. I`m sure he should know the significant impact a top 3 pick, especially in this years draft can impact this franchise. As he`s seen 1st hand, (Sedin Twins, Linden). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 13 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: we need ownership to understand a rebuild with austin matthews makes more sense financially then struggling every year to get bounced in the playoffs hah. that's the problem isn't it? ownership doesn't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Gstank29 said: We could be drafting 3rd overall by Wednesday I like the way you think my friend!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 If we get Auston Matthews this year and Sign a top 4 defenseman and top 6 winger in free agency then we probably make the playoffs next year. Instead we probably finish just outside the playoffs this year, draft a good prospect and then miss the playoffs again next year, and again and again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Id be extremely happy with anyone of the top 5 expected to go. Auston Matthews Jakob Chychrun Matthew Tkachuk Jesse Puljujarvi Patrik Laine NO ORDER^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Juolevi anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 On 4/01/2016 at 2:53 PM, messier's_elbow said: You say Juolevi is rated in the teens but after this tournament he will be rated higher. I'd take him over bean and fabbro. I had seen mock drafts with Juolevi as the first D picked after Chychrun. Big Russian Serg next. By memory 9th and tenth overall. That was pre-WJC and Fabro went something like 14th. 9 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Juolevi is definitely an offensively gifted D man and a huge PP QB. With Pedan and Tryamkin providing the size he could be a strong suit for this organization. At this point though if we have the option between him and Sergachev, I’m going with the Russian. He might not have quite the offensive IQ as Juolevi but he’s more all around. A big minute player that can do it all PP, PK, shutdown guy, offensive guy, big shot, slick hands and is able to throw his wait around and clear the crease. Either way if we have the opportunity to get one of these players, you can’t really go wrong. Olli Matta is the guy most often associated with Juolevi. With offensive talent, but really the top level of two way D that has mobility and can still move the puck. Perhaps has more flair handling the puck? 4 hours ago, TheLiveWire said: I really hope that somehow we walk out with Dante Fabbro. The kid seems to be the real deal and fills the exact need we have. Fabbro and Subban on the right side for our future defence will go a long way. This draft the needs of this team is clear. We need to one, walk out with a guy like Dante Fabbro, or another QUALITY defensman that can activate out forwards. We should also look to make a trade that fulfills our backend need more immediately as guys like Subban and Fabbro would be, I would guess about 2 years away from seeing the NHL. If I were GM, I would HEAVILY target a defensive player, who would be ready to step into the league as early as next in a trade. Preferably around the age of 20-23. We need a defensman that can lead this young group and set an example as Bo, and now McCann have done. I would honestly be willing to overpay just to fill the positional need. If we could get 2 defensive pieces this year, I honestly think we would have a top 5 if not better, prospect pool/young future. Our forwards and our goaltending are set. We don't need any help there. We need to spend draft picks and make trades for some defensmen. Fabbro by definition suits our needs better. (And where we, the non tanking group, would like to be drafting?) He looks great! But Juolevi looks better. And we should not turn down the better player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Outsiders said: I like the way you think my friend!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Outsiders said: Id be extremely happy with anyone of the top 5 expected to go. Auston Matthews Jakob Chychrun Matthew Tkachuk Jesse Puljujarvi Patrik Laine NO ORDER^^ Out of those five. My preference: I'd rather have Matthews, if we won the lottery. IF we don't, then I'd select Jesse Puljujarvi. IF not, then Patrik Laine. IF not the above players. Then I'd pick Chychrun. He's a left handed dman, I know. But he's probably the best available dman. After that, I'd just dman, after dman (best available at the positions we're picking at). I'd be happy of course with Matthews. Puljujarvi if we got him, I'd be happy as well. I trust Benning's eye for talent. He's picked real good players so far in his draft selections. Hasn't disappointed in that regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said: I had seen mock drafts with Juolevi as the first D picked after Chychrun. Big Russian Serg next. By memory 9th and tenth overall. That was pre-WJC and Fabro went something like 14th. Olli Matta is the guy most often associated with Juolevi. With offensive talent, but really the top level of two way D that has mobility and can still move the puck. Perhaps has more flair handling the puck? Fabbro by definition suits our needs better. (And where we, the non tanking group, would like to be drafting?) He looks great! But Juolevi looks better. And we should not turn down the better player! that's true. we got to draft the best available dman in our position. benning needs to get as many draft picks as possible. if we can get multiple first round picks - OMG - we could do so much damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 7 hours ago, R3aL said: I dont think he was non existent at all.. did you watch the game? He competed really hard, him and werenski really pushed hard. Yes they lost, yes they made some sloppy plays, but if anything they both impressed me greatly with the minutes and determination in their games. They both had some really long shifts as well. Russia played an awesome game with exceptional goal tending. I would not even hesitate to take Matthews with the first overall and I would not trade it unless for a king's/supreme leader's ransom. Neither of the finnish sensations scored in todays game against sweden if they lost would you say the same about them not being top 5 talents? I always love the responds "do you even watch the game?". Yes, I watched the game, and was paying close attention to Matthews the whole tournament, to see what's the big deal about him. For guy a who is the consensus number one pick, and with his skill-set, he wasn't as dominate as advertised. And IMO, he had a pretty average tournament. Yeah, he led the tournament in goals, but more than half of those came from playing against inferior teams, who aren't exactly coached very well. When he played against tougher opponents, he was barely noticeable, on the ice. Teams like, Canada, Sweden and the Russians, did a excellent job of forcing him outside, not letting him get anywhere close to the net. This tournament has been the Puljujaarvi show, more than the Matthews show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I have changed my rankings around after seeing what Puljujarvi can offer. The question isn't who you pick first, Matthews is the guy you pick simple as that but at number 2 I had Chychrun. I don't think you can afford to pass on Puljujarvi there. Also Joulevi will be a great defender in the future and expect him to go top 10 now, really hoping the Canucks land him. My rankings as of 05/01/16: 1. Austin Matthews 2. Jesse Puljujarvi 3. Jacob Chychrun 4. Patrik Laine 5. Alexander Nylander 6. Matthew Tkachuk 7. Julien Gauthier 8. Olli Joulevi 9. Jake Bean 10. Michael Mcleod 11. Dante Fabbro 12. Logan Brown 13. Pierre-Luc Dubois 14. Max Jones 15. Kale Clague Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brobidus Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'm still not so big on Tkachuk, however... Matthews, Chychrun, Pulju, Laine, Nylander, Tkachuk, Juolevi, Fabbro. I would be ecstatic if we get any of these 8. Even Sergachev. The bottom of this draft however is a little.. underwhelming? I mean if we do get draft picks for some of our veterans, assuming they are first round picks then they are likely really low picks. Any late first round picks looking good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brobidus Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I take that back. A bit of stats watching and then reading into reports, these guys seem quite nice as later 1st, early second picks. Depending if we luck out and can take some earlyish (20-25) Chad Krys (D) Charlie McAvoy (D) Jake Bean (D) Luke Green (D) Libor Hajek (D) Luke Kunin (C) Rasmus Asplund (C/ LW) Vladimir Kuznetsov (LW) Tyler Benson (LW) Taylor Raddysh (RW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 5 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: I had seen mock drafts with Juolevi as the first D picked after Chychrun. Big Russian Serg next. By memory 9th and tenth overall. That was pre-WJC and Fabro went something like 14th. Olli Matta is the guy most often associated with Juolevi. With offensive talent, but really the top level of two way D that has mobility and can still move the puck. Perhaps has more flair handling the puck? Fabbro by definition suits our needs better. (And where we, the non tanking group, would like to be drafting?) He looks great! But Juolevi looks better. And we should not turn down the better player! I like Juolevi as well, he is also learning his trade off a pretty good defensive minded team in London just like Matta did. Kid can move the puck, reminds me a bit like Letang crossed with Matta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Olli Maatta is the guy most often associated with Juolevi. With offensive talent, but really the top level of two way D that has mobility and can still move the puck. Perhaps has more flair handling the puck? I think that was the caparison at the start of the year because they're both Fins, who are about the same size and that both play/played in London. I would say, they're comparable, but I think Juolevi is a better skater, that plays a calmer game and has more hockey sense. That's not a knock against Maatta, I just think Juolevi is going to be the better player in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 5 hours ago, N4ZZY said: Out of those five. My preference: I'd rather have Matthews, if we won the lottery. IF we don't, then I'd select Jesse Puljujarvi. IF not, then Patrik Laine. IF not the above players. Then I'd pick Chychrun. He's a left handed dman, I know. But he's probably the best available dman. After that, I'd just dman, after dman (best available at the positions we're picking at). I'd be happy of course with Matthews. Puljujarvi if we got him, I'd be happy as well. I trust Benning's eye for talent. He's picked real good players so far in his draft selections. Hasn't disappointed in that regards. I don't get Canucks fans obsession with right vs left shot defenceman. The Canucks literally have one guy in their prospect pool - Hutton - who looks like he might be a top-4 guy down the road. We can cross our fingers all we want that one or two of the others develop into decent NHLers, but the fact is, no one in the organization other than maybe Hutton is anything to get excited over. There are at least four or five defenceman in this draft that would become this organization's No. 1 defenceman...you take them no matter which hand they shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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