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4 hours ago, shiznak said:

I always love the responds "do you even watch the game?". Yes, I watched the game, and was paying close attention to Matthews the whole tournament, to see what's the big deal about him.

For guy a who is the consensus number one pick, and with his skill-set, he wasn't as dominate as advertised. And IMO, he had a pretty average tournament. Yeah, he led the tournament in goals, but more than half of those came from playing against inferior teams, who aren't exactly coached very well. When he played against tougher opponents, he was barely noticeable, on the ice. Teams like, Canada, Sweden and the Russians, did a excellent job of forcing him outside, not letting him get anywhere close to the net.

This tournament has been the Puljujaarvi show, more than the Matthews show.

I guess we see things differently. And many big name players have been shut down in this tourney if I recall correctly Canada completely shutdown malkin.

and Matthews has been very noticeable to me.

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Just now, Gstank29 said:

I like Nylander more the Tkachuck. Unlike his other Alex actually goes to the dirty areas and doesn't shy away from contact

Nylanders really shown well this tourney and Tkachuk considering his minutes and line mates hasn't impressed me. 

I'd have to agree.

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16 hours ago, sharbinder said:

I agree that he is the perfect Dman we need, (always wanted a fantastic fin on the nucks) however you talk like he doesn't have size. The kid is 6'2 , 180. could easily add 10-20 pounds in the next 3 years. Which would be the perfect size for the NHL.

I believe you Pedan/Tryamkin argument works best in correlation to a Subban pairing. (ie- shutdown big guy, with elite offensize talent undersized guy)

It's not that he doesn't have size he doesn't play that physical style of game which really isn't a nock on him, just not his style. There's really no wrong answer, Do you like a Letang or Ehrhoff puck moving PP QB, or do you like or do you like a Pietrangelo with shades of Doughty.

 

13 hours ago, messier's_elbow said:

I agree I'd take either but I prefer Juolevi. He's so calm and smooth with the puck for a 17 year old. If he's on the board and we don't take him I'll lose my mind. That's if we don't have a top 5 pick. I think I'd take him over Chychrun as well.

I don't know if you can go that far to say he's above chychrun, Chychrun is a force on the point,  Speed, Size, Shot, Physical edge. He's a young Dion. not the TO Dion, the Dion that was putting up 60 points in Calgary laying bodies out with huge open ice hits.  That's a hard skillset to pass up.     

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7 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I had seen mock drafts with Juolevi as the first D picked after Chychrun. Big Russian Serg next. By memory 9th and tenth overall. That was pre-WJC and Fabro went something like 14th.

Olli Matta is the guy most often associated with Juolevi. With offensive talent, but really the top level of two way D that has mobility and can still move the puck. Perhaps has more flair handling the puck?

Fabbro by definition suits our needs better. (And where we, the non tanking group, would like to be drafting?)

He looks great!  But Juolevi looks better. And we should not turn down the better player!

To be honest, I simply just don't know much, or nearly as much as I do on Fabbro, for Juolevi. But it seems like poeple think he's pretty good. The only thing is, I think we need a right handed defencman. Right handed defensman have always been our weakness in recent years, on the NHL level and the prospect level. Before this season however, it wasn't so bad as Corrado and Clendening seemed to be those 20-22 year old guys that could lead the way, along with Ben Hutton, giving time for other propspects to develop as well as showing the way. After we lost them, we basically shrunk our right handed defensman prospect pool to Jordan Subban and Alex Biega if you consider him a prospect. ( i know we have other guys like Carl Neill but at this point, Subban seems like the only guy to have progressed enough to the point where I think it is likely that he becomes an NHLer. For example, I still have little confidence in Tryamkin as he hasn't shown the progression in all aread like Subban has.)

 

If we still had Clendening and Corrado, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But Handedness matters, especially on the defensive side. We either need to make a trade or draft someone to fill that hole. But the one thing we can agree on, is we need to focus on defensmen. I would much rather trade our first round pick this year for a young defensman of calibre than draft another forward. Our imbalance is almost comical at this point.

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18 minutes ago, TheLiveWire said:

To be honest, I simply just don't know much, or nearly as much as I do on Fabbro, for Juolevi. But it seems like poeple think he's pretty good. The only thing is, I think we need a right handed defencman. Right handed defensman have always been our weakness in recent years, on the NHL level and the prospect level. Before this season however, it wasn't so bad as Corrado and Clendening seemed to be those 20-22 year old guys that could lead the way, along with Ben Hutton, giving time for other propspects to develop as well as showing the way. After we lost them, we basically shrunk our right handed defensman prospect pool to Jordan Subban and Alex Biega if you consider him a prospect. ( i know we have other guys like Carl Neill but at this point, Subban seems like the only guy to have progressed enough to the point where I think it is likely that he becomes an NHLer. For example, I still have little confidence in Tryamkin as he hasn't shown the progression in all aread like Subban has.)

 

If we still had Clendening and Corrado, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But Handedness matters, especially on the defensive side. We either need to make a trade or draft someone to fill that hole. But the one thing we can agree on, is we need to focus on defensmen. I would much rather trade our first round pick this year for a young defensman of calibre than draft another forward. Our imbalance is almost comical at this point.

 

Handedness matters, but not enough to make a decision on who you take in the draft.  You simply take the better player.  Drafting is still a crap shoot,  you take the player you think has a better shot at making the NHL.  Imagine passing on Juolevi to take the right handed shot in Fabbro, only to have Fabbro never make the NHL.

And even if you do consider them all future NHLers, most of these D are still 3-4 years out from making any sort of impact in the NHL.  In that time a ton of things can happen, trades, UFA signings and surprise prospects.  For all we know canucks go out and acquire a RH D in the next 4 years, say Barrie, or Hamonic, or Gudbranson, or Bowey.  But If we have an abundance of left handed D, we use them as assets to acquire the team needs. 

Take the Oilers for example.  Everyone had said that team should have drafted a D, but in reality, these players they have, are all better assets for them to go out an acquire a top end D.  Hall or RNH on the market would get them back a better D than any one they realistically had the choice of drafting in that spot. 

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1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Handedness matters, but not enough to make a decision on who you take in the draft.  You simply take the better player.  Drafting is still a crap shoot,  you take the player you think has a better shot at making the NHL.  Imagine passing on Juolevi to take the right handed shot in Fabbro, only to have Fabbro never make the NHL.

And even if you do consider them all future NHLers, most of these D are still 3-4 years out from making any sort of impact in the NHL.  In that time a ton of things can happen, trades, UFA signings and surprise prospects.  For all we know canucks go out and acquire a RH D in the next 4 years, say Barrie, or Hamonic, or Gudbranson, or Bowey.  But If we have an abundance of left handed D, we use them as assets to acquire the team needs. 

Take the Oilers for example.  Everyone had said that team should have drafted a D, but in reality, these players they have, are all better assets for them to go out an acquire a top end D.  Hall or RNH on the market would get them back a better D than any one they realistically had the choice of drafting in that spot. 

Hall yes, but not RNH.  It's foolish for any team to not choose the BPA from their own lists.  Why TB took Drouin over Seth Jones shocked everyone, but Drouin must have been the BPA on their list.  If we can get Puliarvi (sp?), we better do it.  That kid is great, and has a motor for the NHL.  Laine seems a bit lazy, unless he's got the puck. 

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17 minutes ago, TheLiveWire said:

To be honest, I simply just don't know much, or nearly as much as I do on Fabbro, for Juolevi. But it seems like poeple think he's pretty good. The only thing is, I think we need a right handed defencman. Right handed defensman have always been our weakness in recent years, on the NHL level and the prospect level. Before this season however, it wasn't so bad as Corrado and Clendening seemed to be those 20-22 year old guys that could lead the way, along with Ben Hutton, giving time for other propspects to develop as well as showing the way. After we lost them, we basically shrunk our right handed defensman prospect pool to Jordan Subban and Alex Biega if you consider him a prospect. ( i know we have other guys like Carl Neill but at this point, Subban seems like the only guy to have progressed enough to the point where I think it is likely that he becomes an NHLer. For example, I still have little confidence in Tryamkin as he hasn't shown the progression in all aread like Subban has.)

 

If we still had Clendening and Corrado, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But Handedness matters, especially on the defensive side. We either need to make a trade or draft someone to fill that hole. But the one thing we can agree on, is we need to focus on defensmen. I would much rather trade our first round pick this year for a young defensman of calibre than draft another forward. Our imbalance is almost comical at this point.

Bpa in the draft. Fill holes through free agency.  My modo. 

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Nothing against taking Fabbro if that's the player you like, but be prepared to wait 4-5 years for him. It's not to often that Junior "A" guys make the jump to the NHL and contribute before that.

Cased in point, since 2010 there's really only been three Junior "A" guys that have gone early and made any kind of impact on their team:

2014 first round- no one

2013 first round- no one

2012 first round- Girgensons 

2011 first round- no one

2010 first round- Schwartz and Coyle

As talented as Fabbro is, I wouldn't be surprised if he fell out of the first round because teams know he's 4-5 years away, especially given that this is a pretty strong draft. 

 

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20 minutes ago, chickenman92 said:

Nothing against taking Fabbro if that's the player you like, but be prepared to wait 4-5 years for him. It's not to often that Junior "A" guys make the jump to the NHL and contribute before that.

Cased in point, since 2010 there's really only been three Junior "A" guys that have gone early and made any kind of impact on their team:

2014 first round- no one

2013 first round- no one

2012 first round- Girgensons 

2011 first round- no one

2010 first round- Schwartz and Coyle

As talented as Fabbro is, I wouldn't be surprised if he fell out of the first round because teams know he's 4-5 years away, especially given that this is a pretty strong draft. 

 

Most of these guys are still in college. Soooo, it's a mute point.

 

 

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The top-4 has been solidified essentially.

1. Matthews

2. Puljujarvi

3. Laine

4. Chychrun

Laine is a lot like Sundin, isn't a very flashy player, you won't always notice him but he does the right play and boy is his shot lethal. With his accuracy and raw power he gets behind his wristers, I can definitely see a top-10 goal scorer with a few top-5 finishes. Puljujarvi is a lot like Benn. Drives the puck hard to the net, has a good shot (albeit not as good as Laine's), backchecks very well, the puck always finds him and he wants it on his stick, and at his size he can be a physical player. His playmaking is also very good for someone with his shot, size, etc. and he is the more flashy player out of the Finnish duo. 

Why do I say this? If we 4th I really hope Benning is working the phones like a mad man trying to trade up to 3rd. We need one of the Finns. They're franchise players. Chychrun isn't bad, don't get me wrong, but the way that Laine + Puljujarvi can change a game is ridiculous. So the questions comes to this; if you're Benning and you're picking 4th and hypothetically speaking, BUF has finished 3rd. They're looking to move the pick to get another player like O'Reilly/Kane who can make a huge impact. What do you offer to move up one spot?

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4 minutes ago, Shinkaruk_9 said:

The top-4 has been solidified essentially.

1. Matthews

2. Puljujarvi

3. Laine

4. Chychrun

Laine is a lot like Sundin, isn't a very flashy player, you won't always notice him but he does the right play and boy is his shot lethal. With his accuracy and raw power he gets behind his wristers, I can definitely see a top-10 goal scorer with a few top-5 finishes. Puljujarvi is a lot like Benn. Drives the puck hard to the net, has a good shot (albeit not as good as Laine's), backchecks very well, the puck always finds him and he wants it on his stick, and at his size he can be a physical player. His playmaking is also very good for someone with his shot, size, etc. and he is the more flashy player out of the Finnish duo. 

Why do I say this? If we 4th I really hope Benning is working the phones like a mad man trying to trade up to 3rd. We need one of the Finns. They're franchise players. Chychrun isn't bad, don't get me wrong, but the way that Laine + Puljujarvi can change a game is ridiculous. So the questions comes to this; if you're Benning and you're picking 4th and hypothetically speaking, BUF has finished 3rd. They're looking to move the pick to get another player like O'Reilly/Kane who can make a huge impact. What do you offer to move up one spot?

Our 4th overall+shinkaruk.

 

Enough? 

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7 hours ago, DeltaSwede said:

I have changed my rankings around after seeing what Puljujarvi can offer. The question isn't who you pick first, Matthews is the guy you pick simple as that but at number 2 I had Chychrun. I don't think you can afford to pass on Puljujarvi there. Also Joulevi will be a great defender in the future and expect him to go top 10 now, really hoping the Canucks land him. My rankings as of 05/01/16:
 

1.     Austin Matthews

 

2.     Jesse Puljujarvi

 

3.     Jacob Chychrun

 

4.     Patrik Laine

 

5.     Alexander Nylander

 

6.     Matthew Tkachuk

 

7.     Julien Gauthier

 

8.     Olli Joulevi

 

9.     Jake Bean

 

10. Michael Mcleod

 

11. Dante Fabbro

 

12. Logan Brown

 

13. Pierre-Luc Dubois

 

14. Max Jones

 

15. Kale Clague

 

I definitely have Tkachuk ahead of Nylander for sure. The last two games Nylander did not step up and play his best hockey when it mattered most. Which resulted in no medal for the Swedes. However Tkachuk came to play both days, plus a 3 point day in the bronze medal game.

Also Michael McLeod showed immediate loss of production & drop in play while Nylander was away. For me he has easily fallen out of the top 10.

Then there is Kale Clauge, he is just not who I thought he would be this year. I thought he'd be battling it out with Jake Bean this year. However Bean has really come to play & moves the puck so smoothly from what I've watched & seen. Where as Clauge get lost at times on the ice & you don't notice his in the way you did last year. For me, he has fallen to the bottom of the 1st. 

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5 minutes ago, Shinkaruk_9 said:

They''d be looking for help today from young players who can contribute in the NHL. While Shink is nearly PPG at the AHL level, they would be looking for someone around 21-28 for help

Hmmm we dont have any player like that.  If we give up tanev we have a huge glaring hole on defence. same with McCann and horvat.

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3 hours ago, chickenman92 said:

I don't get Canucks fans obsession with right vs left shot defenceman. The Canucks literally have one guy in their prospect pool - Hutton - who looks like he might be a top-4 guy down the road. We can cross our fingers all we want that one or two of the others develop into decent NHLers, but the fact is, no one in the organization other than maybe Hutton is anything to get excited over. 

There are at least four or five defenceman in this draft that would become this organization's No. 1 defenceman...you take them no matter which hand they shoot. 

Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev, Bean > Fabbro.

Agreed, I take any one of those lefties over Fabbro. Don't care that he's a righty. They all have a better game in my eyes.

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Benning's unintentional tank is going very well. We still need another decent first round pick hopefully Vrbata and Hamhuis could get us one. 

Regarding Fabbro, I think that is a big risk if selected in the top 10. Defencemen are risky high picks anyway, factor in that he is playing junior A and you are really rolling the dice. Personally, I don't think the Canucks are in a position to take such a high risk (unless he falls down quite a bit).

 

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