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4 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

If you could separate the top 15 into 3 groups (no specific order). I’d rank the as

A

  • Matthews
  • Puljujarvi
  • Laine
  • Chychrun
  • Tkachuk

B

  • Nylander
  • Gauthier
  • Sergachev
  • Juolevi
  • Dubois

C

  • Bean
  • McLeod
  • Fabbro
  • Jones
  • Keller
  • Jost
  • DeBrincat

I think we will end up picking someone from the B group. Juolevi is our guy. I also think that benson and brown should be in group C. 

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6 minutes ago, TheSnipeshow91 said:

I think we will end up picking someone from the B group. Juolevi is our guy. I also think that benson and brown should be in group C. 

I haven't seen anything from Benson this year that suggests he is a top 15 pick.

When you watch a Giants game and play "Spot the 1st Rounder" he doesn't do anything special that would make you think it was him.

I think he may even fall out of the 1st round and, at least, be nearer 25 than 15.

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2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

It's not that he doesn't have size he doesn't play that physical style of game which really isn't a nock on him, just not his style. There's really no wrong answer, Do you like a Letang or Ehrhoff puck moving PP QB, or do you like or do you like a Pietrangelo with shades of Doughty.

That makes sense, thank you for clarifying that. Personally I still prefer Juolevi over Sergachev. My belief is he will turn out to be the better player with the higher ceiling.

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26 minutes ago, sharbinder said:

That makes sense, thank you for clarifying that. Personally I still prefer Juolevi over Sergachev. My belief is he will turn out to be the better player with the higher ceiling.

That very well could be the case.

But, I’ve been keeping track on these players for quite some time.  I can even bring up a post from 2 months ago where I pointed out that Juolevi and Sergachev were the two D that everyone needs to keep an eye on this year outside of Chychrun.  I’ve said for a long time that I’d be happy with either. 

My only real issue is that people are jumping on the Juolevi train based off 6 games in the WJC, and honestly, it’s mostly the one game he had against Canada.

Don’t get me wrong, Juolevi has had a good world Juniors, But you have to take that somewhat with a grain of salt went comparing it over players that didn’t get to participate. He’s been playing on the bigger ice surface that suits his game better.  He’s also been on a dynamite power play with two other top 5 picks.

Like I’ve said I’ve been paying attention to these players long before WJC so, it wasn’t really a shock to see Juolevi play so good, he’s doing in the OHL as well.  But you can’t really use that as a knock either Sergachev and Chychrun.  Had they had the opportunity to showcase themselves, then we’d likely also be speaking quite highly on them as well. 

My personal opinion is Sergachev has the highest ceiling but he's still pretty raw,  Chychrun is the most ready, and Juolevi is the safest to be a consistent NHLer. 

So to me if you have the choice it goes Chychrun then Sergachev then Juolevi.  But all will help out this franchise

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13 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

That very well could be the case.

But, I’ve been keeping track on these players for quite some time.  I can even bring up a post from 2 months ago where I pointed out that Juolevi and Sergachev were the two D that everyone needs to keep an eye on this year outside of Chychrun.  I’ve said for a long time that I’d be happy with either. 

My only real issue is that people are jumping on the Juolevi train based off 6 games in the WJC, and honestly, it’s mostly the one game he had against Canada.

Don’t get me wrong, Juolevi has had a good world Juniors, But you have to take that somewhat with a grain of salt went comparing it over players that didn’t get to participate. He’s been playing on the bigger ice surface that suits his game better.  He’s also been on a dynamite power play with two other top 5 picks.

Like I’ve said I’ve been paying attention to these players long before WJC so, it wasn’t really a shock to see Juolevi play so good, he’s doing in the OHL as well.  But you can’t really use that as a knock either Sergachev and Chychrun.  Had they had the opportunity to showcase themselves, then we’d likely also be speaking quite highly on them as well. 

My personal opinion is Sergachev has the highest ceiling but he's still pretty raw,  Chychrun is the most ready, and Juolevi is the safest to be a consistent NHLer. 

So to me if you have the choice it goes Chychrun then Sergachev then Juolevi.  But all will help out this franchise

very good insight, rare in these parts. thank you.

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55 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

That very well could be the case.

But, I’ve been keeping track on these players for quite some time.  I can even bring up a post from 2 months ago where I pointed out that Juolevi and Sergachev were the two D that everyone needs to keep an eye on this year outside of Chychrun.  I’ve said for a long time that I’d be happy with either. 

My only real issue is that people are jumping on the Juolevi train based off 6 games in the WJC, and honestly, it’s mostly the one game he had against Canada.

Don’t get me wrong, Juolevi has had a good world Juniors, But you have to take that somewhat with a grain of salt went comparing it over players that didn’t get to participate. He’s been playing on the bigger ice surface that suits his game better.  He’s also been on a dynamite power play with two other top 5 picks.

Like I’ve said I’ve been paying attention to these players long before WJC so, it wasn’t really a shock to see Juolevi play so good, he’s doing in the OHL as well.  But you can’t really use that as a knock either Sergachev and Chychrun.  Had they had the opportunity to showcase themselves, then we’d likely also be speaking quite highly on them as well. 

My personal opinion is Sergachev has the highest ceiling but he's still pretty raw,  Chychrun is the most ready, and Juolevi is the safest to be a consistent NHLer. 

So to me if you have the choice it goes Chychrun then Sergachev then Juolevi.  But all will help out this franchise

Well said buddy.  Again I'm already telling people,that wjc has little impact on final rankings since the draft is another 6 months away, scouts are not going to ignore the past 6 months and go by wjc, if so at this point chycrun won't even get drafted.

 

we need to tank and it's starting apparently elder wasn't at practice.

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In the Mock Draft, Button has us at number 5 and drafting Alex Nylander. 

VIDEO: @CraigJButton's mock draft

3 EDM Puljujärvi 4 WPG Tkachuk 5 VAN Nylander 7 TOR Juolevi 9 CGY Dubois http://www.tsn.ca/video/button-s-mock-draft~781370 

 

 

YAAAAYY we get a Nylander all you Willy Nylander fans can shut up now. :lol:

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3 hours ago, Gstank29 said:

Most of these guys are still in college. Soooo, it's a mute point.

 

 

Actually the point I was making is that whoever drafts Fabbro will be waiting for 4-5 years, which is why you see so many of the Junior A guys still in college or the AHL 2,3, 4 years after they are drafted. 

I personally would have a hard time drafting a player that I'm pretty convinced is five years away, when there will likely be a guy that is two years away available. The reason, by the time he's NHL ready, I've likely been fired as the team's GM. And this is why I won't be shocked if Fabbro and Jost fall to the second round. It's not that I don't think they are top-30 guys in the draft, I'd rather take a comparable guy that is closer to NHL ready. 

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5 hours ago, chickenman92 said:

I don't get Canucks fans obsession with right vs left shot defenceman. The Canucks literally have one guy in their prospect pool - Hutton - who looks like he might be a top-4 guy down the road. We can cross our fingers all we want that one or two of the others develop into decent NHLers, but the fact is, no one in the organization other than maybe Hutton is anything to get excited over. 

There are at least four or five defenceman in this draft that would become this organization's No. 1 defenceman...you take them no matter which hand they shoot. 

Yea. I get what your saying. I'm just saying that sometimes it's difficult for a player to make the change from their natural hand. Chychrun is by far the best dman in this year's draft. If we don't get the other players I've listed (Matthews, Puljujarvi, Laine, etc), then we take Chychrun if he falls to us. 

 

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30 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

In the Mock Draft, Button has us at number 5 and drafting Alex Nylander. 

VIDEO: @CraigJButton's mock draft

3 EDM Puljujärvi 4 WPG Tkachuk 5 VAN Nylander 7 TOR Juolevi 9 CGY Dubois http://www.tsn.ca/video/button-s-mock-draft~781370 

 

 

YAAAAYY we get a Nylander all you Willy Nylander fans can shut up now. :lol:

Laine drops then, eh. 

 

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2 hours ago, baumerman77 said:

Benning's unintentional tank is going very well. We still need another decent first round pick hopefully Vrbata and Hamhuis could get us one. 

Regarding Fabbro, I think that is a big risk if selected in the top 10. Defencemen are risky high picks anyway, factor in that he is playing junior A and you are really rolling the dice. Personally, I don't think the Canucks are in a position to take such a high risk (unless he falls down quite a bit).

 

hope benning can get at least another first round pick (mid to late) from one of our veterans. Hamhuis and Vrbata? 

Unfortunately, Vrbata hasn't done much this year. I bet he gets a second round pick. 

Hamhuis, because of his injury, probably gets a second, maybe a third. A 1st is pushing it. Unless a Cup contender wants to boost it's defense. Then they might, just might overpay

 

 

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3 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

Im guessing he goes 2 over all. No way he drops.

That's a surprise. I feel like many here feel that Puljujarvi over Laine. But Button seems to favor Laine over Puljujarvi? 

Laine is THAT good? 

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1 minute ago, N4ZZY said:

That's a surprise. I feel like many here feel that Puljujarvi over Laine. But Button seems to favor Laine over Puljujarvi? 

Laine is THAT good? 

From what I saw, he's more projectable as an NHL player. He has a heavy shot, he's good along the wall and he'll hit guys. He plays a very "NHL" style of game and keeps things pretty simple. Think kind of like Backes, minus the toughness, with better goal scoring.

Puljujarvi is more of a skill guy with size. He might be a better player, but he might only round into a good 2nd line guy. there's a tiny bit more risk with drafting him. 

 

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5 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Handedness matters, but not enough to make a decision on who you take in the draft.  You simply take the better player.  Drafting is still a crap shoot,  you take the player you think has a better shot at making the NHL.  Imagine passing on Juolevi to take the right handed shot in Fabbro, only to have Fabbro never make the NHL.

And even if you do consider them all future NHLers, most of these D are still 3-4 years out from making any sort of impact in the NHL.  In that time a ton of things can happen, trades, UFA signings and surprise prospects.  For all we know canucks go out and acquire a RH D in the next 4 years, say Barrie, or Hamonic, or Gudbranson, or Bowey.  But If we have an abundance of left handed D, we use them as assets to acquire the team needs. 

Take the Oilers for example.  Everyone had said that team should have drafted a D, but in reality, these players they have, are all better assets for them to go out an acquire a top end D.  Hall or RNH on the market would get them back a better D than any one they realistically had the choice of drafting in that spot. 

I'd be more then ok if the Oilers take Chychrun and we end up with Juolevi. Chychrun is a good prospect but I think he's overrated.

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