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Just now, messier's_elbow said:

I wonder if we will go BPA or take a Dman? We really need a Dman in the system ....

Maybe it depends where we pick?  If it's in the top ten, I think it's BPA, but after that I wonder if JB will take the highest D on his list?  Unless, of course, there is a clear steal like Boesser who can't be overlooked.  

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2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:

I like a lot of the D ranked in the second round of this draft. Really hoping we get more picks and pick up some of these guys. Would love to see the Canucks pick up two of Luke Green, Lucas Johansen and Cam Dineen in the second round of this upcoming draft.

Not sure why Johansen is rated so low, as low as a 4th rounder? He's currently leading his team in points amongst defensemen, skates well for a big guy, is a solid two-way hockey player, and is in one of the best teams that produces NHL caliber defensemen, in all of the minor hockey leagues. 

If Benning can pick up another 2nd, I would love for him to take a chance on Johansen, and it's not because of his bloodline.

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10 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

prefer Laine. I wonder what it would take for us to nab him after he's been selected and before we select. 

Yeah I prefer Laine over everyone except Mathews but like you I doubt we get a top five pick. Hence my choice of someone outside of that range like a Mike Mcleod.

However you got me thinking about somehow getting Laine despite finishing too high in the standings. That is offer our pick plus to whoever picks Laine. I don't think it could happen. The price would be beyond what Benning would be willing/able to pay. We would have to give up a high pick (top ten which I doubt we will even have with our pick) plus a young core piece? Say 6th overall and Virtanen.

Teams picking around where elite talent are to be had will not move their pick unless you overpay. The only way any team has been able to get a top 3 pick via trade recently was the Phil Kessel trade. That is, trade a former top 5 pick and future core piece to a consistent losing team and hope they pick top 3 with the picks you receive. So no, I don't think it will happen.

I am fine with not picking or getting Laine though. When you have a good talent evaluator like Benning at the helm, you will get enough good to really good NHL players to stock up your team no matter where he picks in the first round.

 

 

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9 hours ago, J.R. said:

He didn't come right out and say it but if you read between the lines...

Hammer's a bit of a question mark unfortunately due to his injury. His NTC could also prove to be a hindrance if he wants it to be. Vrbata's less so, one, because it's limited and two, because I doubt he feels as attached to staying here.

yeah. that's true. I think Hammer stays, due to his injury, or else, I'm certain that he's gone just as well. 

Vrbata, I hope we really can get a second for him. 

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2 hours ago, Alexandre said:

Yeah I prefer Laine over everyone except Mathews but like you I doubt we get a top five pick. Hence my choice of someone outside of that range like a Mike Mcleod.

However you got me thinking about somehow getting Laine despite finishing too high in the standings. That is offer our pick plus to whoever picks Laine. I don't think it could happen. The price would be beyond what Benning would be willing/able to pay. We would have to give up a high pick (top ten which I doubt we will even have with our pick) plus a young core piece? Say 6th overall and Virtanen.

Teams picking around where elite talent are to be had will not move their pick unless you overpay. The only way any team has been able to get a top 3 pick via trade recently was the Phil Kessel trade. That is, trade a former top 5 pick and future core piece to a consistent losing team and hope they pick top 3 with the picks you receive. So no, I don't think it will happen.

I am fine with not picking or getting Laine though. When you have a good talent evaluator like Benning at the helm, you will get enough good to really good NHL players to stock up your team no matter where he picks in the first round.

 

 

yeah. I know. but how damn good would Laine look in a Canucks jersey. 

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3 hours ago, messier's_elbow said:

I wonder if we will go BPA or take a Dman? We really need a Dman in the system ....

There are a lot of dmen scattered around the first round that could make a case for BPA wherever the Canucks could pick other than the top 3 which as every passing day looks more and more like a fantasy nowadays.

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6 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

There are a lot of dmen scattered around the first round that could make a case for BPA wherever the Canucks could pick other than the top 3 which as every passing day looks more and more like a fantasy nowadays.

I think it really depends on this upcoming road trip. if they falter, I think we may re-enter into top ten territory in terms of a draft pick. But if we continue to win, then yeah, obviously we drop farther into the first round, entering into second round territory, which, at that point wouldn't be bad, I suppose, cause then you just focus on drafting dman, which we deserpately need anyways. 

 

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3 hours ago, Alexandre said:

Yeah I prefer Laine over everyone except Mathews but like you I doubt we get a top five pick. Hence my choice of someone outside of that range like a Mike Mcleod.

However you got me thinking about somehow getting Laine despite finishing too high in the standings. That is offer our pick plus to whoever picks Laine. I don't think it could happen. The price would be beyond what Benning would be willing/able to pay. We would have to give up a high pick (top ten which I doubt we will even have with our pick) plus a young core piece? Say 6th overall and Virtanen.

Teams picking around where elite talent are to be had will not move their pick unless you overpay. The only way any team has been able to get a top 3 pick via trade recently was the Phil Kessel trade. That is, trade a former top 5 pick and future core piece to a consistent losing team and hope they pick top 3 with the picks you receive. So no, I don't think it will happen.

I am fine with not picking or getting Laine though. When you have a good talent evaluator like Benning at the helm, you will get enough good to really good NHL players to stock up your team no matter where he picks in the first round.

 

 

I wonder if we offered Edler + our first round pick - would that be enough for Laine? Or, maybe add another prospect into it. Would that sweeten the possible deal? 

 

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1 hour ago, N4ZZY said:

yeah. I know. but how damn good would Laine look in a Canucks jersey. 

No ones debating that the guys a horse. But it's just not realistic. We played awful for like a month straight and we're still in a playoff spot ... Now we are playing well..

This road trip should be a good indicator where we are headed but I do t see a top 5 pick in our future at all.

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41 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

I wonder if we offered Edler + our first round pick - would that be enough for Laine? Or, maybe add another prospect into it. Would that sweeten the possible deal? 

 

 

Well, I can only look back to past drafts as a comparable. The last time a trade of this nature happened was in the 2003 draft. Here is the transaction.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NHL_Entry_Draft

The Florida Panthers trade the first pick (Marc-Andre Fleury) and 73rd pick (Daniel Carcillo) to the Pittsburgh Penguins for the third pick (Nathan Horton), the 55th pick (Stefan Meyer) and Mikael Samuelsson.

So basically 3rd overall, 2nd rounder and Mikael Samuelsson for 1st overall and a 3rd rounder. In 2003 Samuelsson was a 22 year old, 3rd liner? with offensive potential.

So we have to start with a high pick, say the 5th overall.  The trade would be 5th overall, Hutton, plus a 2nd rounder in return for 3rd overall plus their 3rd rounder. We then pick Laine. This assumes the team holding 3rd overall likes someone at number 5 and also likes Hutton. Maybe someone with better talent evaluation can chime in.

Nevertheless, it is highly improbable. First of, I doubt we pick top 5. Second, a team holding a top 3 pick will be very reluctant to move more than a couple of spots. If our pick is outside of the top ten, I think we would have to include a really good young core piece (Horvat/Mccann) to move into the top 3. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Benning failed at his attempt to trade up from number 6 to number 1 by adding Shinkaruk at the 2014 draft. It is really not worth it and why it hasn't happened in a dozen years.

I say just accumulate as many picks as possible and let Benning do his magic.

 

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On ‎1‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 2:14 AM, Outsiders said:

After the win tonight the Canucks are drafting 11 thats too low. need get drop 3 in a row to get back to 5 fifth 

You're ignoring the games in hand many teams have.

Philly 3 games in hand 1 pt back

Anaheim 2 games in hand 3 pts back but they are finding their game

Calgary 2 games in hand 4 pts back but higher ROW
 

Realistically, if we stay on this same pace we're probably getting a top 5 pick. My guess is after this nasty road trip we may actually have a much higher pick. We have

Washington - I suspect we lose that

Carolina - should win

Islanders - winable

Rangers - suspect we lose

Boston - suspect we lose

Pittsburgh - suspect we lose

I think if we're under .500 on this trip, we may be falling far enough behind that some decisions are going to have to be made during the all star break...

 

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20 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

Hah. I agree. Maybe the fan in me wants those high end talents on this franchise. Last player like that I can recall was Bure. Sedins are franchise players, don't get me wrong. 

I know that there are more ways than one to build a team. But man, wouldn't it be nice to have someone like Laine, Puljujarvi, or even Matthews on this squad ^_^

Drafts are really a crap shoot still though.  And 90 point + players are becoming quite rare, rarely do top 3 picks hit that mark consistently. 

 

Look at the top 10 point leaders this year.  5 (50%) of the players were picked outside of the top 10.

Look at the top 20 point leaders this year.  11 (55%) of the players were picked outside of the top 10.

Look at the top 30 point leaders this year.  19 (63%) of the players were picked outside of the top 10.

 

So it’s not like top end talent doesn’t come outside of the top 10.

In 2013 you got Domi a 12th overall ripping up the league in his rookie season, Duclair also in the 3rd round.

In 2012 you got Forsberg 11th overall, Teravainen 18th

In 2011 you got Saad 43rd overall and Gaudreau 4th round

In 2010 you got Tarasenko 16th overall, Kuznetsov 26th overall

 

It really comes down to good drafting.  Every year there is a top end talent that goes outside of the top 10, we just need to trust where ever we pick, top 5 or top 20, that JB picks the right player.

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24 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Drafts are really a crap shoot still though.  And 90 point + players are becoming quite rare, rarely do top 3 picks hit that mark consistently. 

 

Look at the top 10 point leaders this year.  5 (50%) of the players were picked outside of the top 10.

Look at the top 20 point leaders this year.  11 (55%) of the players were picked outside of the top 10.

Look at the top 30 point leaders this year.  19 (63%) of the players were picked outside of the top 10.

 

So it’s not like top end talent doesn’t come outside of the top 10.

In 2013 you got Domi a 12th overall ripping up the league in his rookie season, Duclair also in the 3rd round.

In 2012 you got Forsberg 11th overall, Teravainen 18th

In 2011 you got Saad 43rd overall and Gaudreau 4th round

In 2010 you got Tarasenko 16th overall, Kuznetsov 26th overall

 

It really comes down to good drafting.  Every year there is a top end talent that goes outside of the top 10, we just need to trust where ever we pick, top 5 or top 20, that JB picks the right player.

Nice. I wanted to do something like this but I had already spent too much time trying to put together my first ever proposal a few posts above. I will just use your research to make my point.

It is too expensive to move into a position to draft Laine. It will cost us our first plus a core player (Horvat, Mccann, Virtanen) maybe more, depending on how low that first is. It is better for us to keep our young core who are developing together and are more proven, than to use one of them plus our first to move to spot number two or three to take a less proven prospect.

In addition, you have Benning, a good talent evaluator as GM. He averaged 2.87 players per draft. Each played at least 190 NHL games (some, like Ryan Miller 5th rounder, Paul Gaustad 7th rounder, Drew Stafford 13th overall, are still playing), as head scout of Buffalo for 5 years. If anybody is going to unearth top end talent later in the first round or after the first round (highlighted in the quote), it will be our super scout.

Finally, Benning said he likes this draft even more than the last draft. It would be counterproductive to trade multiple assets to move up in this draft. It would be better to accumulate picks and make use of Benning's scouting ability in this deep draft class.

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14 hours ago, messier's_elbow said:

I wonder if we will go BPA or take a Dman? We really need a Dman in the system ....

Always BPA. 

As a recent example look at Nashville. When they drafted Jones they wanted a top flight center bt Jones fell so they took him instead of a center. 

Fast forward to this year and what do ya know. They traded Jones for a top flight center.

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10 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

I'd love for the Canucks to take a flyer on Ronning but I wouldn't go any higher than 4th round maybe 5th.

 Definitely, I would hate for us to pass on another Gallagher in the mid-rounds. However his production is nowhere near where his was. Albeit on a much weaker team that is not competitive right now. As well as his injury history is abundant. So I say your right, 4th/5th makes sense.

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