DownUndaCanuck Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 It's no secret that the Canucks till need a big star center to replace Henrik Sedin in the future. Bo Horvat's looked good but we all know he's a 2nd line center at best in the future similar to Kesler, and who knows what will happen to McCann and Cassels but I doubt they'd be good enough to score 80+ points in the NHL ever during their careers - they're middle 6 two-way centers at best. As we're in the West we definately need a big, strong guy who can put up 70-90 points a season playing ahead of Horvat to give us a Getzlaf-Kesler, Kopitar-Carter punch down the middle. I say, target one of the Stromes. Ryan Strome in New York may be hard to pry off their top line, but could be had considering their amazing depth at center and the emergence of Brock Nelson and Anders Lee (who we could also go for). I'd much rather target Dylan Strome in the upcoming draft. He's just about leading the OHL in scoring and is a giant, so wouldn't be long (maybe 1 season in the OHL again) before he could make the jump to the NHL. TO NYI: Jensen + 1st + Stanton/Sbisa + McCann/Cassels (replacement center) TO VAN: Ryan Strome We essentially trade a 17th overall pick (Konecky, future 2nd line center) + a future top-6 forward who is ready to play next season + some defensive depth for a current top-6 forward and future first line center. Throw in Higgins if they want more. I doubt NYI does this trade anyway but it's worth a shot. Otherwise... At the 2015 draft, there are a lot of good centers there for the picking, IMO which can be split into 3 categories: A-grade centers: McDavid and Eichel (will go 1-2, don't even bother, no one's trading those picks) = generational talents B-grade centers: Marner, Strome, Zacha, Barzal = future top line centers C-grade centers: Konecny, Harkins, Merkley = future middle-6 centers There are also some good looking defencemen in Hanifin, Provorov, Roy, Werenski and Kylington who, depending on a team's needs, will go in the top-10 too. Now, as it currently stands in the standings, here's my predictions: Buffalo: McDavid Edmonton: Eichel Arizona: Hanifin (to replace Yandle) Toronto: Roy (they need defence, have Nylander/Kadri down the middle already) Columbus: Marner (everyone seems higher on him than Strome) Carolina: Strome Strome will likely go between 3 and 6 in the Draft, which is where we need to move up to in order to snag him. I'm saying we target the Toronto/Columbus/Carolina pick as they'd be much easier to snag than say Buffalo's or Arizona's top-3 picks. TO TOR/COL/CAR: 1st round pick (around 17th overall) + Shinkaruk + Cassels/McCann TO VAN: 1st round pick (4th-6th) Why we do this: We can afford to trade one of Cassels or McCann if we're getting Strome back, no questions asked. Shinkaruk hasn't really proven himself yet and with Baertschi coming in and Virtanen on the rise, he's the kid who's slowly getting squeezed out of our depth chart so he's expendable too. Why they do this: These teams are pretty lowly and if they get the chance to build up prospects, they'll take it. Cassels/McCann is a fantastic building block to have, Shinkaruk gives them a boost too and the 1st rounder is a McCann-like pick as well. These guys will take about 3 years to truly develop but these teams have time and are in full-rebuild anyway. Strome may not make the team next season (I'd hope not), but in 3-5 years time when the Sedins are down to 30-40 points a year and Hovat's up scoring 30 goals, 60 points, we'll still need a top line center if we want to go far into the playoffs. Here's our new lineup with Strome in: Baertschi - Strome - Virtanen (skill - size - speed) Jensen - Horvat - Kassian (all huge forwards, all have skill) Sedin - Sedin - Matthias (keep Matthias around as for his size with the ageing twins) Bonino - Cassels/McCann/Gaunce - Kenins/UFA Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Corrado Sbisa - Clendening Lack Markstrom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm sorry but you are way overvaluing Jensen, Stanton and Sbisa. The two defenseman are AHL fodder for contenders and decent bottom pairing guys for non-contenders. Jensen has less value than Baertschi. Let that sink in. The most valuable piece we're trading for a 1st line center is a late 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm sorry but you are way overvaluing Jensen, Stanton and Sbisa. The two defenseman are AHL fodder for contenders and decent bottom pairing guys for non-contenders. Jensen has less value than Baertschi. Let that sink in. The most valuable piece we're trading for a 1st line center is a late 1st. I know Jensen is essentially a B-grade prospect, not saying NYI would do that trade anyway but it'd be worth a shot going for Strome. I'd prefer his brother Dylan anyway because he's younger and fits our young core better. With his elite skill, he'd be in the NHL at 20 and prime around 22-24. Not as much point getting Ryan Strome now who's about to hit his prime next season maybe when guys like Virtanen aren't even going to make the NHL roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 That proposal ain't going to get it down for a potential 3rd/4th/5th overall pick in a draft that is "as deep as 03". And Marner/Strome should be considered a-grade centers tbh. And all the c-grade centers you listed should be b-grade centers imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm sorry but you are way overvaluing Jensen, Stanton and Sbisa. The two defenseman are AHL fodder for contenders and decent bottom pairing guys for non-contenders. Jensen has less value than Baertschi. Let that sink in. The most valuable piece we're trading for a 1st line center is a late 1st. I'm not saying Sbisa and Stanton are worth it but I have to object to calling them AHL fodder. Stanton currently has the best +/- on the team. Meanwhile, Sbisa has gone from scaring the crap out of me every time he touched the puck to being a very reliable D-man in the span of 5 months. Again, I'm not saying they make that trade work but I think they're both better than you give them credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManUtd Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 You know COL is Colorado (we're not drafting top 6) and CBJ is Columbus, right? I fail to see your logic in saying Toronto will take a Roy at 4th because they need D (even though they'd be leaving Provorov, Werenski, Kylington and a ton of other higher ranked D on the board) and then turn around and trade them two offensive prospects to move up. Makes absolutely no sense. I would be absolutely stunned if any of those teams took those deals. Outside of McCann and the 17th overall, those are some pretty mediocre pieces you're offering. This has been a very hyped up draft, it's going to take a lot to get into the top 6 or even top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Jensen's a Voracek. McCann or Cassels, we're not giving up. We're not giving up our 1st, either. Sorry, bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan10 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If Totonto wants D that badly theyre not going to draft Roy of all people at 4, they'd likely just take BPA and trade kadri OR maybe they'd shop their pick. If we can't come to terms with Tanev: Tanev + 1st + A/B prospect for Toronto 1st Even thats a huge pipe dream because that pick is going to be the center of the rebuild. I'm not so sure Strome will ever be a first line center either. He could end up yet another 2C in our system, and thats a lot to pay for another 2C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If Totonto wants D that badly theyre not going to draft Roy of all people at 4, they'd likely just take BPA and trade kadri OR maybe they'd shop their pick. If we can't come to terms with Tanev: Tanev + 1st + A/B prospect for Toronto 1st Even thats a huge pipe dream because that pick is going to be the center of the rebuild. I'm not so sure Strome will ever be a first line center either. He could end up yet another 2C in our system, and thats a lot to pay for another 2C Other than McDavid, Eichel, and Matthews (next year), I think the days of drafting 1Cs are dying out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Downunda, didn't everyone say that Kesler would be at best a 3rd line checking centre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Bo Horvat's looked good but we all know he's a 2nd line center at best in the future similar to Kesler, Oh really? We all know that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure.10 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think horvat can be as good as Patrice Bergeron, isn't Bergeron a 1st line centre? Give the kid time man. Eventually, Horvat and McCann will = Bergeron and krejci IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Other than McDavid, Eichel, and Matthews (next year), I think the days of drafting 1Cs are dying out... Umm what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Umm what? Most of these guys that we talk about drafting (not just for the Canucks, but for mostly everyone) are 2Cs or 3Cs. You might be able to fit Marner in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Most of these guys that we talk about drafting (not just for the Canucks, but for mostly everyone) are 2Cs or 3Cs. You might be able to fit Marner in there. Did you find that out through your crystal ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Did you find that out through your crystal ball? No? I don't have a crystal ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Boy, oh boy. Where to start. TO NYI: Jensen + 1st + Stanton/Sbisa + McCann/Cassels (replacement center) TO VAN: Ryan Strome Strome has 43 points in his second season in the NHL and will end up with roughly 55 points. If they are looking at defense, they'd be looking at Hamhuis or Edler. But since they have NTC and would have to waive first, it won't happen. Remember, quality over quantity. This proposal doesn't meet their needs. So they would counter with "number 1 defenseman please." Buffalo: McDavid Edmonton: Eichel Arizona: Hanifin (to replace Yandle) Toronto: Roy (they need defence, have Nylander/Kadri down the middle already) Columbus: Marner (everyone seems higher on him than Strome) Carolina: Strome Yes, the Leafs desperately need defense. So you propose they pass on NHL ready Provorov and possible NHL ready Werenski, as well as superior prospect Kylington for Jeremy Roy? Love to hear your reasoning on this. TO TOR/COL/CAR: 1st round pick (around 17th overall) + Shinkaruk + Cassels/McCann TO VAN: 1st round pick (4th-6th) Aside from the fact that Colorado isn't drafting in that range (getting the feeling you don't know what you're talking about), that's a big drop in a deep draft for any team to trade down from. Also, Carolina needs defensemen as well. So unless you are throwing someone like Tanev into the mix, I don't know why they do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 No? I don't have a crystal ball? Then what makes you think there won't be another legit future 1C drafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Then what makes you think there won't be another legit future 1C drafted? No, I just think there won't be many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 No, I just think there won't be many more. Without analytics to back this up then, you "thinking" there won't be many more, means absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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