Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 So before you get to look at it for yourself (it's in the spoiler) here are the things I got from it. Our record against Quick in a full season when we have 30+shots on goal and out shot the kings is 4-0-0. We are 1-8-1 when we have fewer than 30 shots on goal on Quick (ignoring the lockout season). So far this season we have failed to even reach 20 shots on goal against the kings Our record without AV is 1-6-1, our record with AV is 6-2-3. Not saying AV is factor, the kings have improved a lot since he left and the division set-up has changed as well. 2015 season http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2014021010 4-0 loss at home, outshot 20 to 19 http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2014020557 3-2 loss at home, had 2-0 lead and blew it, outshot 40 to 16 http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2014020213 5-1 loss in LA, outshot 36 to 19 2014 season http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2013021169 2-1 Win at home, LA had 1-0 lead but scored two in the third,we outshot them 40 to 26 http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2013020695 1-0 loss in LA, Brown scored 24 second into the third, we outshot them 28 to 20 http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2013020637 3-1 loss in LA, had 1-0 lead through two periods blew it allowing 2 goals in the third, outshot 48 to 28 http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2013020363 3-2 OT loss at home, had 2-1 lead blew it, we outshot them 39-22 but scrivens was in net http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2013020254 5-1 loss in LA, outshot 34 to 26 2013 lockout season http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2012020458 1-0 Win in LA, Schneider stole the game, outshot 20-13 http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2012020309 5-2 Win at home, Schneider played extremely well, outshot 30-23 http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2012020077 3-2 S/O loss in LA, had 2-0 lead blew it, outshot 30-23 2012 season http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2011021138 1-0 Win at home, scored goal 3 minutes in, were outshot 38 to 26 Luongo stole the game http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2011020679 3-2 S/O loss at home, were outshot 41 to 33 Luongo stole the game http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2011020567 4-1 Loss in LA, started with 1-0 lead, had 28 shots on goal in the loss http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2011020220 3-2 Win in LA, Started with 3-0 lead in second, had 32 shots in the win 2011 season http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2010021158 3-1 Win at home, LA scored the first goal, had 35 shots in the win http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2010020975 3-1 win in LA, LA scored the first goal, had 35 shots in the win http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2010020054 4-1 loss in LA, had 26 shots in the loss http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2010020023 2-1 S/O loss at home after leading 1-0 till the the last 5 mins, had 24 shots in the loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yup, they're a good team. You also proved that we need to shoot more against them. What else is new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnScott Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yup, they're a good team. You also proved that we need to shoot more against then. What else is new? It's not just shooting it's dominating by out shooting. In our last win we had to dominate them with 40 shots to win the game. Of course it's much harder to do now but that's what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 We beat Pitts, Boston, Anaheim and St. Louis somewhat regularly, but can't buy a win against LA. I need an explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 You forgot to add in the factor of when AV opens a new pack of gum VS when he chews an older pack. Then, and only then, will you get real data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Hey, there's a game plan, shoot more pucks on net. What a concept. Just do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Hey, there's a game plan, shoot more pucks on net. What a concept. Just do it. I honestly don't know why they don't shoot. Watch Vrbata, he always puts a shot on net and it usually turns into a scoring chance off a rebound, or he just snipes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 We beat Pitts, Boston, Anaheim and St. Louis somewhat regularly, but can't buy a win against LA. I need an explanation. The explanation is they keep Quick well rested with very few shots on him, and the ones that do are usually from the outside directly or from the slot directly. This allows him to make great saves when he needs to cause he is well rested mentally and physically since he is facing direct shots from the outside most of the time. The way to beat quick is by screening him when taking the a far shot or having guys in the slot near him. The problem from all the highlights I begin to see is the the Kings as the years go on, do a very outstanding job of preventing both of these things from happening so it makes Quick a great goalie until he gets into the 30+ shot range. Since we can't beat the Kings by beating their defense, we have to beat them by tiring out Quick and taking high quality shots. And that's the only way we have won in the past with the exception of the lockout year. I have all the highlights in the spoiler and when you see the 2011 highlights it's the first thing you notice. The kings defense was worse and allowed back door slot plays and for guys to get in front of the net. Now getting even one of those chances is like winning the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 you need a defensive system to counter Darryl sutters system. Systems like Marc Crawfords or Willie Desjardins gets eaten alive by teams like the Kings. I wouldn't mind seeing A.V coming back as a coach down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 We beat Pitts, Boston, Anaheim and St. Louis somewhat regularly, but can't buy a win against LA. I need an explanation. Style of play. LA's play style is basically posionous to the current make up of our team. People often think that St. Louis plays like LA but in my opinion, the two teams are quite different in my opinion. At least in my view, St. Louis players have more freedom. Also, we don't beat Anaheim regularly. Another factor is the mental side. LA always gets up for the game against us. Many of our players don't play with much confidence or scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I honestly don't know why they don't shoot. Watch Vrbata, he always puts a shot on net and it usually turns into a scoring chance off a rebound, or he just snipes it. Good point but no matter how juicy the rebound is, if no forward has established position to get the rebound, there is no point. We failed to get bodies to the net and when we did, those players were easily moved away from the danger zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The explanation is they keep Quick well rested with very few shots on him, and the ones that do are usually from the outside directly or from the slot directly. This allows him to make great saves when he needs to cause he is well rested mentally and physically since he is facing direct shots from the outside most of the time. The way to beat quick is by screening him when taking the a far shot or having guys in the slot near him. The problem from all the highlights I begin to see is the the Kings as the years go on, do a very outstanding job of preventing both of these things from happening so it makes Quick a great goalie until he gets into the 30+ shot range. Since we can't beat the Kings by beating their defense, we have to beat them by tiring out Quick and taking high quality shots. And that's the only way we have won in the past with the exception of the lockout year. I have all the highlights in the spoiler and when you see the 2011 highlights it's the first thing you notice. The kings defense was worse and allowed back door slot plays and for guys to get in front of the net. Now getting even one of those chances is like winning the lottery. So how do other teams beat them? They have around as many points as we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 So how do other teams beat them? They have around as many points as we do. For example, Winnipeg has the bodies to go to the net and get well-positioned for rebounds. Calgary has fast and skilled guys that can beat the forecheckers. The best skill players we have are the Sedins, but they can't get around the forecheckers by themselves. Our defence isn't exactly skilled enough to move the puck up by themselves. We don't have big bodies going to the net and establishing position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 For example, Winnipeg has the bodies to go to the net and get well-positioned for rebounds. Calgary has fast and skilled guys that can beat the forecheckers. The best skill players we have are the Sedins, but they can't get around the forecheckers by themselves. Our defence isn't exactly skilled enough to move the puck up by themselves. We don't have big bodies going to the net and establishing position. We need to structure our lines different next time we play them. Would really like to see Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Kassian-Horvat-Vrbata (Kassian looks just as good on his off wing imo) Kenins-Matthias-Hansen Higgins-Richardson-Dorsett Bonino and Vey should be the odd men out against the Kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 So how do other teams beat them? They have around as many points as we do. Watch the highlight packages of the games Quick allowed the most goals and this his how they beat them. Backdoor plays Fast passes Screening quick Scramble plays around the net, fishing out the rebound and potting it in Fast shots from the slot But no goals, I mean not even a single one was off a direct shot on net. If you shoot 40 times from the outside quick will save all 40 of them. It's just too easy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I wouldn't mind seeing A.V coming back as a coach down the road. no thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComptonCanuck Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 It's cuase our team is way too small to compete trade: Kassian, Corrado, McCann, 2nd to Phili for Simmonds McMillan to EDM for Volpatti Barteschi and a 1st round pick 2015 for Luchic Weber and a 4th 4 McQuadi LINES: Sedin Sedin Simmonds Luchic - Bonino - Vrbata Kenin - Horvart - Handsen Volpatti - Richardson - Mattias doorset - setito Higgins Edler - Tanev Hamhius - McQuad Stanton - Bieksa Sanguinetti lack Millzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 You forgot to add in the factor of when AV opens a new pack of gum VS when he chews an older pack. Then, and only then, will you get real data. Gum's the key. We gotta set Willie up with AV's gum dealer pronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I've seen teams succeed against the Kings by using their speed to go around their mostly slow defensemen. Quick comes out to challenge the shooter, who then whips the pass across ice and Quick doesn't have time to get across because he has come out so far. Works like a hot damn. On the other hand, Quick has incredible focus and isn't day dreaming while his team is holding the opposition to low shot totals. Some guys don't have that kind of focus. Just ask the Jets, whose goalie must have been scoping out babes in the stands when he got beat for the GWG from centre ice the other night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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