granpappy Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 i wonder how highly jb had myers ranked. right now he would be looking good for us on the back-end, what would have been, in hindsight a very astute part of the 're-tooling' had we picked him up and he flourished here as he is in the peg. so how well does jb, the picker, know his players. would he have given up a 1st for myers? a big, physical, offensive, young d-man; it's what everyone is looking for. so why didn't jb give up a 1st. a likely 15-20 pick for a young player that can step right in and provide a lot of what this team needs. i'm sure buffalo would have taken a 1st and something rather than us giving up horvat. so . . . did jb drop the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 NO he did not drop the ball. What is our version of that package? Horvat Virtanen and a 1st? Ya....regardless of any percieved past history they had 1 player is not worth gutting this club over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 He's been injured most the time for Winnipeg Too soft for the west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 While he would look good in a Canucks jersey, we don't have room for him cap-wise or depth-wise. With 9 NHL-caliber defensemen playing this year already, we don't have a spot for him in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 He would've surely had to given up way too much. Probably one of our top prospects plus a roster player or two, not something I want to give away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 He's been injured most the time for Winnipeg Too soft for the west ?????? He's played 16 games for the Jets so far, missing one for what I believe was a blocked shot. In those 16 games, he has 11 points and is a +8 over that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 NO he did not drop the ball. What is our version of that package? Horvat Virtanen and a 1st? Ya....regardless of any percieved past history they had 1 player is not worth gutting this club over i doubt it. look what they got from winnipeg. a sulky player who will likely leave them once he hits ufa. a 1st and a d, corrado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 so . . . did jb drop the ball? No JB didn't drop the ball Sometimes you don't have enough expendable assets to match another team's offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Why are we crying over spilt milk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Why are we crying over spilt milk? no crying. jb is the reported guru of rating players. did he not value myers accurately and . . . what does this mean for our future drafting prowess if our gm is not what he was advertised as. i'm sure a 1st and something less that bo/virt would have got it done based on what the sabres got from the jets. myers fits exactly what we have been told the team plan is. re-jigging on the fly, getting players that are a little bit farther along in their development. myers looks to heavily tick a lot of boxes i would have thought we would have been looking for. we have nothing like him playing for this team at the moment. so, the question is, did jb muck up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 no crying. jb is the reported guru of rating players. did he not value myers accurately and . . . what does this mean for our future drafting prowess if our gm is not what he was advertised as. i'm sure a 1st and something less that bo/virt would have got it done based on what the sabres got from the jets. myers fits exactly what we have been told the team plan is. re-jigging on the fly, getting players that are a little bit farther along in their development. myers looks to heavily tick a lot of boxes i would have thought we would have been looking for. we have nothing like him playing for this team at the moment. so, the question is, did jb muck up? Trader Jim is still the guru of rating players, he just was not going to part with a 1st or a good prospect, both of which you proposed to get Myers. And you're right, we don't have anything like a 5'7" pylon on this team. Did JB muck up? Not in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Um, just because you rank a player whatever, it doesn't equate to automatically getting that player. Why would it? What a stupid thread. btw You are overrating Myers. imho Buffalo traded him for a reason, even though he's only 24. They have better prospects coming up and they cleared out Myers to make room for them. Meanwhile, Kane will get to play with one of McDavid or Eichel next season. Do you think he'll continue to be sulky about that? Winnipeg squandered him and then overpaid to get Myers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 forget about Myer an move on. we have some future assets down on the farm who are more gritty sand paper suited to the western conf playing style. We just need to luck out some where down the road on one stud or two pmd who can skate shoot an has decent defensive zone coverage ,we will find one yet .I am sure no rock an stone will be left unturned in the search over the next 15 to 24 months by management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 While he would look good in a Canucks jersey, we don't have room for him cap-wise or depth-wise. With 9 NHL-caliber defensemen playing this year already, we don't have a spot for him in the slightest. I don't necessarily believe that to be true. The Jets had much less space for him on their back end, with better looking depth on defense than the Canucks do. However, they made it work by having the right piece that the Sabres were looking for. As for answering the OP question (and others) what the Canucks would have had to give up to get Myers would have been what they were looking for, which was a young, NHL ready defenseman with the same NHL potential and pedigree as Myers. They didn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 No JB didn't drop the ball Sometimes you don't have enough expendable assets to match another team's offerThis. Couldn't have said it better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 umm.... I dont even know where to begin to point out whats wrong with this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 This is hilarious. All the nay-Sayers. At this point in his Career...TM has accomplished more production than Chara did at this point(he was 24-26 when he first started hitting his stride). Also I would like to point out that Myers production since joining the jets has him at a pace of 56 points/ full season. I think in 2-4 years once Myers is in his prime, we'll be able to tell how good of a trade this was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 They currently have Mark Stuart in a top-4 role, Byfuglien is out for now, but I don't even consider him a legit defenseman. Too easy to just walk around. Pardy and Harrison are fillers. Clitsome is out. Enstrom, Myers and Trouba are effective, but hardly unbeatable. The defense isn't bad, but I got the feeling that the league is laying down a bit in their games vs. Winnipeg just so LA is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 no crying. jb is the reported guru of rating players. did he not value myers accurately and . . . what does this mean for our future drafting prowess if our gm is not what he was advertised as. i'm sure a 1st and something less that bo/virt would have got it done based on what the sabres got from the jets. myers fits exactly what we have been told the team plan is. re-jigging on the fly, getting players that are a little bit farther along in their development. myers looks to heavily tick a lot of boxes i would have thought we would have been looking for. we have nothing like him playing for this team at the moment. so, the question is, did jb muck up? an mid/late 1st and something less than bo/virt is enough? i think you are undervaluing kane and bogosian that was traded to buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Um, just because you rank a player whatever, it doesn't equate to automatically getting that player. Why would it? What a stupid thread. btw You are overrating Myers. imho Buffalo traded him for a reason, even though he's only 24. They have better prospects coming up and they cleared out Myers to make room for them. Meanwhile, Kane will get to play with one of McDavid or Eichel next season. Do you think he'll continue to be sulky about that? Winnipeg squandered him and then overpaid to get Myers. Unless you watch Winnipeg on a regular basis, which I'm not saying you do or don't, but I absolutely have to disagree. People can say whether or not Winnipeg "squandered" Kane. That's purely up for debate. The guy was given 1st, 2nd, and finally 3rd line minutes. And even with 3rd line minutes, he was still among tops for TOI for forwards. He was a very good two-way player, but was very limited (creatively) offensively. If other, believed to lesser players on the Jets were able to do more offensively (i.e. Perreault, Scheifele, Frolik) and currently Drew Stafford, I wouldn't say they squandered him at all. They gave him as much opportunity to succeed as everyone else on their roster. I think the "problem" (if there is one) with Kane is that people expect him to be a 60-70 point player. Based on his offensive skill set, I'd say it's safe to assume he's between a 50-60 point guy. Not bad at all. People just have to lower their expectations about him. Now, as for overpaying for Myers, I can't disagree more. Now, I have to admit, I'm not incredibly familiar with Myers, up until his current 16 games with the Jets, but Bogosian I am very familiar with. And while Bogo brings physicality to his game, he is very, very limited offensively, is becoming injury prone, and has a low hockey IQ. Not saying that Bogo is a terrible player by any means, but I do think we've seen the best that he can bring. In 16 games with the Jets, Myers has been more vital to the Jets this season (both offensively and defensively) than Bogo was in 41 games for them this season. On top of this, the Jets also received Armia, Lemieux, and a 1st round pick in 2015. And with rumors floating around that the Jets are already in talks to re-sign 29 year old Stafford, who has 14 points in 17 games for them, I wouldn't say they overpaid at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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