Fox Mulder Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 We need to round as many members of this board as possible. Atheists, religious and neutrals. Then find a large parking lot somewhere and settle this anchorman style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Mulder Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Brick can kill a man with a trident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 We need to round as many members of this board as possible. Atheists, religious and neutrals. Then find a large parking lot somewhere and settle this anchorman style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 This person did a great blog on this subject: Blurred Lines: Religious Freedom and Indiana SB101 by Melinda SelmysGuest contributor Nearly 20 years ago, I was working at my local newspaper when a small controversy arose concerning religious freedom and gay rights. PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) wanted to send speakers in to the local Catholic schools to give presentations; the school board said that this would violate their right to instruct students in accord with the teaching of the Church. At the time I was an atheist in a lesbian relationship. So I called the school board and asked if they could explain why their decision was not just blatantly homophobic. They sent me a small pamphlet explaining Church sexual teaching. I read it, thought it was bizarre but coherent, and ended up writing an article defending the right of Catholic schools to teach Catholic doctrine. My thinking was that although I disagreed completely with what the Church taught, I believed that religious freedom is an essential principle of liberal democracy. One of the challenges of living in a liberal democracy is that you have to be willing to play nice and get along with people who you’d much rather kick in the eye. It doesn’t matter whether the disagreement is ideological or religious, philosophical or academic, visceral or personal. Part of the social contract that you accept as a citizen is that you agree not to force others to act in accord with your personal beliefs. But there are places where this gets sticky. Every so often a conflict arises where the way that one person chooses to live impacts another person’s right to live in accord with their own beliefs. The present conflict over Senate Bill 101, Indiana’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act, concerns these kinds of situations. What do you do, for example, if the only hospital in town is a Catholic hospital and a woman wants to have her tubes tied? Or if a nurse working at a secular hospital refuses, for religious reasons, to assist in abortions? I think it’s important, on liberal grounds, to recognize that people’s right to act in conscience must be protected under the law. The fact that a woman wants a tubal ligation should not give her the right to force a doctor to perform surgery which he or she considers to be mutilation. An employer does not have the right to compel one of its employees to participate in an act that she or he believes to be murder. These are serious violations of the individual’s freedom of conscience, and in so far as Senate Bill 101 is intended to defend people’s rights in situations like this, it’s a very important piece of legislation – not just from a religious freedom perspective, but also as a defense of the core values of liberalism. Unfortunately, SB 101 seems also intended, by some lobbyists behind the bill, to blur important lines of distinction as it equivocates between authentic religious freedom and “Christian freedom.” Eric Miller, the Founder and Executive Director of Advance America (an organization that provided much of the impetus for SB 101) says, “It is vitally important to protect religious freedom in Indiana…It was therefore important to pass Senate Bill 101 in 2015 in order to help protect churches, Christian businesses and individuals from those who want to punish them because of their Biblical beliefs!” Religious freedom is a much broader concept that includes mosques, Buddhist businesses, and Vedic beliefs. When “religious freedom” really only means Christian rights, it’s not religious freedom in the sense intended by the American Constitution, or by Catholic teaching. Advance America gives three examples of situations where Senate Bill 101 will “help.” The first is the provision of peripheral services such as baking or flowers for gay marriages. The second is transgender bathroom use. The third is the use of church property for gay weddings. The only one of these that really has anything to do with religious freedom is the last one. The other situations described have nothing to do with freedom of religion. They’re just blatant opportunities for public displays of discrimination. It’s something that I’ve seen before. When I was growing up, my town experienced a major demographic shift: we went from being a primarily white, middle-class suburb to being one of the largest South-East Asian communities in North America. I remember hearing arguments about restricting signage to English and French (Canada’s two official languages), arguments that single-family housing should exclude extended families, arguments that prohibitions on head-gear at schools should be extended to turbans and hijabs. People claimed to be arguing about city planning, Canadian culture and school safety. They were really just being racist, and nobody was fooled. The same is true in Christian communities that want to deny services to LGBTQ people. No one in these communities would actually want to live in a world where this kind of religiously-motivated service denial was the norm. A society in which Baptist wedding photographers refuse service to Catholics because they might have to take a photo including a statue of Mary. Where you stand in line forever at Walmart only to discover that your Jehovah’s Witness cashier won’t ring through your coffee. Where Muslim restaurant owners refuse to serve women unless they’re dressed according to Islamic standards of modesty. The difference between a valid conscientious objection and an arbitrary refusal of service lies in the difference between material co-operation with an act, and superficial involvement with it. Refusing to dispense abortifacients, for example, might actually prevent an abortion from happening. Refusing to bake a cake, on the other hand, is just a needless annoyance that makes Christianity look bigoted, intolerant and petty. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2015/03/28/blurred-lines-religious-freedom-and-indiana-sb101/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Strangelove Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 We need to round as many members of this board as possible. Atheists, religious and neutrals. Then find a large parking lot somewhere and settle this anchorman style. Oh hell ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 We need to round as many members of this board as possible. Atheists, religious and neutrals. Then find a large parking lot somewhere and settle this anchorman style. Wonder what the combined sexual experience of such a meet up would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Mulder Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Wonder what the combined sexual experience of such a meet up would be. That just blew my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 NASCAR just came out against the bill. Let that sink in for a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 DIGRESS, DAMMIT! I don't understand what you're asking. Why do you say dammit, you don't believe in that sort of thing? Similar to those who say God or Jesus, when they are Atheists. Its always been a strange one to me why choose those words when there are endless others. I guess its the influence of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Oh hell ya Again,why say hell ya when you don't believe in it. Seems odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Sikes Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Should I be free to go and smack every creationist I come across? I don't recall a free pass on assault being part of the package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Why are you so intent on allowing religious people to hurt others? I will defend the right of every person to practice their religion as they see fit so long as it does not hurt others. Should I be free to go and smack every creationist I come across? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Again,why say hell ya when you don't believe in it. Seems odd. You know, stuff like "SOB"... If you think about it it also relates to Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I don't recall a free pass on assault being part of the package Do I presume neither of you understood what I was getting at, and think I contradicted myself in some way? Ninja, my dear friend, I was asking if I should smack creationists in context of Jazz's do-what-you-want world. I'm not actually asking if I should do it. I can't believe I have to explain this. Why do you say dammit, you don't believe in that sort of thing? Similar to those who say God or Jesus, when they are Atheists. Its always been a strange one to me why choose those words when there are endless others. I guess its the influence of the world. Again,why say hell ya when you don't believe in it. Seems odd. Of course it's the influence. Cultural influence that is. I'm sure they don't use Jebus and hell as swear words in China, India, Ghana, and much of the rest of non-western world. Certainly ins't a swear word in my language. Otherwise, you should also wonder why people say things like, "Oh gods", "Zeus almighty", and so on. You know, for consistency's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Strangelove Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Again,why say hell ya when you don't believe in it. Seems odd. It's apart of popular culture in the form of slang. Same as people going Oh my god or oh sweet baby jesus or oh lordie. I could go on and on with examples of things that could be interpreted as religious without them being intended as religious. In this case I expressed great joy in support of this Anchorman style CDC brawl. It's all about the context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Mulder Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Brick loves lamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Why do you say dammit, you don't believe in that sort of thing? Similar to those who say God or Jesus, when they are Atheists. Its always been a strange one to me why choose those words when there are endless others. I guess its the influence of the world. Perhaps you shouldn't assume someone else's personal beliefs and make oneself look like an ass in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Perhaps you shouldn't assume someone else's personal beliefs and make oneself look like an ass in the process. When you assume you make an @$$ out of u and me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 When you assume you make an @$$ out of u and me Why do you write ass that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Why do you write ass that way? Because I didn't know if it would count as a vulgarity or whatnot. Better safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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