2SKATES1STICK Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 tradeable contract. this contract is his ticket to a contender. ovechkin - backstrom - yakupov yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 tradeable contract. this contract is his ticket to a contender. ovechkin - backstrom - yakupov yikesYikes what? Trotz escorted Radulov back to Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Yikes what? Trotz escorted Radulov back to Russia. Comparing Yakupov to Radulov, oh, and your sig is overdue m8. Should def take it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He should give half that money to D.Roy, who has elevated him to look like a borderline NHLer. 2.5 is the still more than he's earned. 33 points (not 40) - and those points come at a significant cost. Yakupov has horrible underlying numbers (24th best corsi on and relative corsi on that team) - and the second highest offensive zone starts among Oiler regulars. He also faces some of the weakest quality of competion on that team (again, 22nd). The only other regular forwards with anywhere near those corsi numbers are Hendricks and Gordon - guys literally etting 20.4 and 20.2% offensive zone starts and playing a shutdown role. Highly sheltered, completely vacant without the puck, 55 giveaways and the NHL's worst plus minus -35 despite very advantageous situational use. Only Phil Kessel can really compete for the title of absolutely worst two way player in the NHL, and Yakupov actually takes that one. Add to the fact that 5 of his 14 goals were powerplay goals, and 5 more of his assists at the man advantage, and he managed a paltry 23 even strength points, despite being relatively spoon fed by D Roy. Saving grace - Derek Roy and that fact that he's still young - otherwise, you take a first overall, and what most people's impressions of what a first overall is worth (devoid of context) and then you balance that against what Yakupov is actually worth - and you meet in the middle around 2.5 million I suppose. The amount he's overpaid has been slightly moderated - however, he's still significantly regressed from his rookie season. The point here is not to hammer Edmonton for overpaying another young player prematurely, but to point out the reality of where Yakupov's game actually is. He's nowhere near as good as untouted young guys like Anton Lander making less than a million per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Comparing Yakupov to Radulov, oh, and your sig is overdue m8. Should def take it offWhy spoiler that? I'll update it to Chychrun in due time unless we win the cup, in which case I'll be hammered all summer. As for the comparison, um, it was more Trotz to Trotz, not Yakupov to Radulov. Trotz will play Chimera over Yakupov any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 It's all good baby! We got Dorsett for even more. Jokes on them! what do you get when you cross an apple with a grapefruit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 what do you get when you cross an apple with a grapefruit? 2.6 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFBR392 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He should give half that money to D.Roy, who has elevated him to look like a borderline NHLer. 2.5 is the still more than he's earned. 33 points (not 40) - and those points come at a significant cost. Yakupov has horrible underlying numbers (24th best corsi on and relative corsi on that team) - and the second highest offensive zone starts among Oiler regulars. He also faces some of the weakest quality of competion on that team (again, 22nd). The only other regular forwards with anywhere near those corsi numbers are Hendricks and Gordon - guys literally etting 20.4 and 20.2% offensive zone starts and playing a shutdown role. Highly sheltered, completely vacant without the puck, 55 giveaways and the NHL's worst plus minus -35 despite very advantageous situational use. Only Phil Kessel can really compete for the title of absolutely worst two way player in the NHL, and Yakupov actually takes that one. Add to the fact that 5 of his 14 goals were powerplay goals, and 5 more of his assists at the man advantage, and he managed a paltry 23 even strength points, despite being relatively spoon fed by D Roy. Saving grace - Derek Roy and that fact that he's still young - otherwise, you take a first overall, and what most people's impressions of what a first overall is worth (devoid of context) and then you balance that against what Yakupov is actually worth - and you meet in the middle around 2.5 million I suppose. The amount he's overpaid has been slightly moderated - however, he's still significantly regressed from his rookie season. The point here is not to hammer Edmonton for overpaying another young player prematurely, but to point out the reality of where Yakupov's game actually is. He's nowhere near as good as untouted young guys like Anton Lander making less than a million per. Well that just about sums it up. Move along, people. Theres nothing more to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 One dimensional player with only 40 points this season, but he has huge upside. Good deal if he starts reaching his potential He's a 60 point player if he's on a decent team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He's a 60 point player if he's on a decent team He was the most highly touted offensive player in his draft year, and chosen 1st overall. He shouldn't have to be on a "decent team" to hit 60 points. All the guy is is offense, and his league worst +/- proves how much he focus' on his defensive play. If he has trouble cracking 35 points on the Oilers, I'd say he's, at best, a 50 point player on any other team. At least, at this point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banned01 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He should give half that money to D.Roy, who has elevated him to look like a borderline NHLer. 2.5 is the still more than he's earned. 33 points (not 40) - and those points come at a significant cost. Yakupov has horrible underlying numbers (24th best corsi on and relative corsi on that team) - and the second highest offensive zone starts among Oiler regulars. He also faces some of the weakest quality of competion on that team (again, 22nd). The only other regular forwards with anywhere near those corsi numbers are Hendricks and Gordon - guys literally etting 20.4 and 20.2% offensive zone starts and playing a shutdown role. Highly sheltered, completely vacant without the puck, 55 giveaways and the NHL's worst plus minus -35 despite very advantageous situational use. Only Phil Kessel can really compete for the title of absolutely worst two way player in the NHL, and Yakupov actually takes that one. Add to the fact that 5 of his 14 goals were powerplay goals, and 5 more of his assists at the man advantage, and he managed a paltry 23 even strength points, despite being relatively spoon fed by D Roy. Saving grace - Derek Roy and that fact that he's still young - otherwise, you take a first overall, and what most people's impressions of what a first overall is worth (devoid of context) and then you balance that against what Yakupov is actually worth - and you meet in the middle around 2.5 million I suppose. The amount he's overpaid has been slightly moderated - however, he's still significantly regressed from his rookie season. The point here is not to hammer Edmonton for overpaying another young player prematurely, but to point out the reality of where Yakupov's game actually is. He's nowhere near as good as untouted young guys like Anton Lander making less than a million per. 2.5 is the right money for Yak - he is not a draft bust yet. Short term - basic dollars - there are 4th line players paid more than that. They should have done the same thing with Hall, RNH and Ebs. Edmonton has dug its own grave with the other big 3 contracts. They fapped themselves into a serious premature dollar squirt on Hall, RNH and Ebs. Now they are locked in and can't even trade them easily because of those contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senpai Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He was the most highly touted offensive player in his draft year, and chosen 1st overall. He shouldn't have to be on a "decent team" to hit 60 points. All the guy is is offense, and his league worst +/- proves how much he focus' on his defensive play. If he has trouble cracking 35 points on the Oilers, I'd say he's, at best, a 50 point player on any other team. At least, at this point in his career. Ok well when your center is Derek Roy and like Anton Lander/Boyd Gordon for half the season... What an awful group of centers. Give him an actual playmaker who is defensively responsible and i'm sure he'd be fine. Yakupov is a complimentary player, his ranking in the draft doesn't mean ANYTHING at this point. Draft position means NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. You put your players in a position to succeed, for Yakupov to succeed, he probably needs a good C to cover up for his mistakes and give him the puck. Just because he's a #1 pick doesn't mean he HAS to be able to drive the play by himself... The two don't correlate at all.. Put him with a solid center and i'm sure he'd do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Ok well when your center is Derek Roy and like Anton Lander/Boyd Gordon for half the season... What an awful group of centers. Give him an actual playmaker who is defensively responsible and i'm sure he'd be fine. Yakupov is a complimentary player, his ranking in the draft doesn't mean ANYTHING at this point. Draft position means NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. You put your players in a position to succeed, for Yakupov to succeed, he probably needs a good C to cover up for his mistakes and give him the puck. Just because he's a #1 pick doesn't mean he HAS to be able to drive the play by himself... The two don't correlate at all.. Put him with a solid center and i'm sure he'd do fine. Nice story, but I don't think you know what you're talking about. Yakupov's problems do not revolve around Roy, Draisatl or the other guys he has played with - they revolve around his high level of vacancy, questionable hockey sense and commitment. Suggesting that Roy is holding him back is comical - Roy is responsible for Yakupov not having an entirely laughable season from start to finish - Roy has actually gotten a few signs of life out of Yakupov. Yakupov has scarcely touched the ice with Lander (who btw is a hell of a lot better player than Yakupov at this point) or Gordon. Even strength line combinations: http://hockey.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_profiler.php?players=3595&sent=go&games=2014-2015%3AR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 2.5 is the right money for Yak - he is not a draft bust yet. Short term - basic dollars - there are 4th line players paid more than that. They should have done the same thing with Hall, RNH and Ebs. Edmonton has dug its own grave with the other big 3 contracts. They fapped themselves into a serious premature dollar squirt on Hall, RNH and Ebs. Now they are locked in and can't even trade them easily because of those contracts. Not sure if serious - but suggesting that RNH, Eberle or Hall are guys that Edmonton can't trade is ludicrous. They're all young 60 point players in a bad year. You are deluded if you think they could have re-signed any of them for the kind of money Yakupov is getting. Edmonton's futility is not a result of those three players contracts. Try again. Hall would be a very easy player to move - he and Yakupov would be the first two I'd ship out and convert into other assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Yak is 21 and still learning the game. The kid has a ton of skill and you can see it when you watch him play. Confidence is such an important piece in playing hockey. He hasn't really been given much of a chance with the oil as he was expected to come in (at 18) and be the saving grace to push the oil over the top. A good coach, and some strong leadership and he'd become a fantastic asset to any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Dorsett > Yakupov brah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 What a deal for Edmonton! Suprised the yak wanted to stay with the Coilers. what the hell, he has no leverage right now. He was given top 6minutes and, not even capable of putting up numbers similar to his other fellow 1st overall picks. He's a 60 point player if he's on a decent team that doesn't make sense at all. So does it mean Taylor Hall is a 100 point player on a playoff team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 that doesn't make sense at all. So does it mean Taylor Hall is a 100 point player on a playoff team? A winning atmosphere tends to allow players to put up more points so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I'm surprised that they didn't give him RNH-type money. Stats are comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I'm surprised that they didn't give him RNH-type money. Stats are comparable. I would love to hear how their stats are comparable. Please, enlighten us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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