Interesting article on the Sedin's Corsi Dominance in this series and our lack of depth

[Easton76]

Do you know why their puck possession stats are so good? They just cycle around the entire shift and the Flames just sit back composed and laugh at then because nothing rarely comes of it.

[wallstreetamigo]

It certainly isn't Vrbata.

People were critical of Willie's decision to play Hansen in that role, but he's probably the most suited without Burr or Kass being available.

I actually agree with that. Certainly not ideal but given the lack of Rw options Hansen is probably the best option at this point.

[khay]

Speaking of shot attempts, here was the results from last game:

5v5

PP

So while we did get some shots down low and in front they were lower quality chances for the most part and the rest were from the outside or blocked. Even on the PP we had one goal that had an element of luck to it, and that was from the side of play. The rest were basically blocked in our two chances at PPs.

Imagine if we hadn't kept Calgary's shots down on their PP chances, 2 goals, 2 shots and 1 blocked in their 4 PPs.

Thanks for the chart. So basically Calgary's offence wasn't any better than ours in terms of the number of shots generated in close.

And, man they do block a whole lot of shots. It's like Calgary is playing with 6 goales!!! We shouldn't even try to take shots from the point unless it is guaranteed to get through the first goalie.

[wallstreetamigo]

Thanks for the chart. So basically Calgary's offence wasn't any better than ours in terms of the number of shots generated in close.

And, man they do block a whole lot of shots. It's like Calgary is playing with 6 goales!!! We shouldn't even try to take shots from the point unless it is guaranteed to get through the first goalie.

Even if it gets through with no traffic it is pointless. Hiller is actually brutal for giving up juicy rebounds and going down too early. But if no one wants to beat and outmuscle the flames to get to them it is again pointless.

[RUPERTKBD]

Thanks for the chart. So basically Calgary's offence wasn't any better than ours in terms of the number of shots generated in close.

And, man they do block a whole lot of shots. It's like Calgary is playing with 6 goales!!! We shouldn't even try to take shots from the point unless it is guaranteed to get through the first goalie.

It might be an idea to shoot intentionally wide and hope for a rebound off the boards. Marc Staal did it against the Pens and it resulted in the GWG by Kreider.

The only Canuck I've seen try it occasionally is Bieksa, probably because he knows his slapper isn't going to beat an NHL goalie unless it's a seeing eye shot, like the one that beat the Sharks in 2011.

[elvis15]

Do you know why their puck possession stats are so good? They just cycle around the entire shift and the Flames just sit back composed and laugh at then because nothing rarely comes of it.

It's like you haven't been reading the replies to similar posts earlier in the thread...

They don't have a stopwatch where they track the amount of time they have the puck, they actually track shot attempts while they're on the ice. If we have more short attempts than the other team during their shifts, then they have a positive corsi.

Thanks for the chart. So basically Calgary's offence wasn't any better than ours in terms of the number of shots generated in close.

And, man they do block a whole lot of shots. It's like Calgary is playing with 6 goales!!! We shouldn't even try to take shots from the point unless it is guaranteed to get through the first goalie.

Oh, Calgary didn't generate nearly as many shot attempts as the Canucks did last game, but they were better at blocking ours and keeping the ones we did get through to the outside.

As far as in close, you can see Calgary's are a tighter grouping where ours were more spread out. The ones we did get in close were right around the net and there weren't many that were quality chances. It's a challenge we have to find a way around, particularly if we are relying on creating rebounds off of shots from the outside.

[spook007]

The Sedins are good at keep the puck?

What's Bennett's age?

I hear Ferland's mom was at the game. She can go out with Lack's dad?

LOL

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

Huh?

They are carrying the team.

Zetterberg is also 34, second line but Datsyuk is 36 and he's on the 1st line. They are carrying their team.

How did the Sedins do against San Jose in 2011?

When defestive play is weak any star can dominate. The West has beaten up the east for years now cause our defence has always been a touch ahead of the east.

New York might change that this year.

[Tortorella's Rant]

Do you know why their puck possession stats are so good? They just cycle around the entire shift and the Flames just sit back composed and laugh at then because nothing rarely comes of it.

I saw a good goal line shot the other night after relentless cycling.

[soshified]

Finally. It's not the Sedins fault, never have been. Only thing they can't do consistently is put the puck back in the net. And that's asking a lot; not every team's best players score a goal every single game.

Our problem has always been secondary scoring.

[oldnews]

Do you know why their puck possession stats are so good? They just cycle around the entire shift and the Flames just sit back composed and laugh at then because nothing rarely comes of it.

A common misconception.

"Puck possession" in the context of advanced stats has nothing to do with time of possession and everything to do with shot attempts.

[TOMapleLaughs]

Ever since we lost that speedy offensive defenseman, the Sedins haven't been as effective in translating offensive zone puck control into offense. You add that threat from the defense, and you'll have more offense being created. Way less pressure on the Sedins as the defenseman can carry it in with ease and even run behind-the-net board plays along with the Sedins. It's definitely an element that you'll immediately notice that is missing. However, this is not news. We've pretty much seen what the Sedins can do. Now they're both playmakers.

[aGENT]

Ever since we lost that speedy offensive defenseman, the Sedins haven't been as effective in translating offensive zone puck control into offense. You add that threat from the defense, and you'll have more offense being created. Way less pressure on the Sedins as the defenseman can carry it in with ease and even run behind-the-net board plays along with the Sedins. It's definitely an element that you'll immediately notice that is missing. However, this is not news. We've pretty much seen what the Sedins can do. Now they're both playmakers.

Enter Mike Green this summer...?

[khay]

It might be an idea to shoot intentionally wide and hope for a rebound off the boards. Marc Staal did it against the Pens and it resulted in the GWG by Kreider.

The only Canuck I've seen try it occasionally is Bieksa, probably because he knows his slapper isn't going to beat an NHL goalie unless it's a seeing eye shot, like the one that beat the Sharks in 2011.

Actually that's a good idea. Shooting intentionally wide would break their formation and reduce the risk of the play going the other way for an oddman rush.

It's like you haven't been reading the replies to similar posts earlier in the thread...

They don't have a stopwatch where they track the amount of time they have the puck, they actually track shot attempts while they're on the ice. If we have more short attempts than the other team during their shifts, then they have a positive corsi.

Oh, Calgary didn't generate nearly as many shot attempts as the Canucks did last game, but they were better at blocking ours and keeping the ones we did get through to the outside.

As far as in close, you can see Calgary's are a tighter grouping where ours were more spread out. The ones we did get in close were right around the net and there weren't many that were quality chances. It's a challenge we have to find a way around, particularly if we are relying on creating rebounds off of shots from the outside.

Right. I guess one this we didn't do was to get shots through from the slot. Those were all blocked by their goalies.

[TOMapleLaughs]

Enter Mike Green this summer...?

I'm not sure what's going to happen this summer. I envision a lot of player movement again, but the end result? No idea.

Not sure if Mike Green with his injury history is the answer though.

But when this team hoists the cup at the end I won't really care.

[aGENT]

Not sure if Mike Green with his injury history is the answer though.

His skill set sure is though. If it's not him, someone similar to him I hope. Maybe his injury history will keep the price comparatively low?

[wallstreetamigo]

Enter Mike Green this summer...?

He would be great skill wise but will be pricy. With Tanev, Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, and Sbisa all locked up for big dollars one would have to go to even consider it. My choice would be Bieksa. Sbisa and Stanton on a cheap contract and keep Weber as insurance.

Edler-Tanev

Hamhuis-Green

Stanton-Sbisa

Weber, Clendening, Corrado etc

Looks much more potent already. And Stanton and Sbisa can fill that physical crease clearing type role imo even better than Bieksa can

[aGENT]

If we get Green, he better be playing with Edler.

Edler, Green

Hamhuis, Tanev

Sbisa, Weber/Corrado/Clendening

The following year we can move Sbisa with Tanev.

[wallstreetamigo]

If we get Green, he better be playing with Edler.

Edler, Green

Hamhuis, Tanev

Sbisa, Weber/Corrado/Clendening

The following year we can move Sbisa with Tanev.

Yes that might actually work better. Might help Hamhuis get back to his defensive shutdown prowess with Tanev too And help Edler get back that offensive side much more.

I like it

And I do think having the more defined pairings rather than try to have three jack of all trades pairings will work better

[aGENT]

Yes that might actually work better. Might help Hamhuis get back to his defensive shutdown prowess with Tanev too And help Edler get back that offensive side much more.

I like it

And I do think having the more defined pairings rather than try to have three jack of all trades pairings will work better

Green's a risk (injuries, high $$ UFA cap hit) but unless Benning has another magic trick up his sleeve elsewhere (trade?), he's the most obvious solution to a MUCH needed makeover on our back end.

Guys would have defined roles again rather than being a chemistry lacking mish-mash of "jack of all trades" guys and what is currently, largely very middling, bottom 4 D-men outside of Edler.

Edler could sit back a bit playing in his comfort zone on an offensive pairing. Hammer/Tanev would be a good (though small'ish) shut down pair. Sbisa and whomever his partner is would have a nice physical presence and fill in the minutes. Play either Weber or Clendening with him if you need an offensive punch/2nd PP guy or Corrado if you want a better all-around guy.