desiboynux4lifee******* Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This team just doesn't get it. How many years is this now, the bottom line is you can't win in the playoffs by being a moral team. For example, so far in the playoffs we have seen. Ferlund taking blatant head shots, Boychuck trying to knee Ovechkin, Ovechkin hitting Tavares from behind, PK Subban- injuring Stoner. The thing about the NHL playoffs is they are not moral, its suppose to be a war and our team failed to understand this year again. The year we played the way we should was when we had Raffi Torres( recall the Seabrook hit) Past Champions LA Kings would do anything to win, even if it meant getting a cheap head shot in on one of the top players from the opposition. Referees fail to control moral conduct during a playoff game; therefore it is literally war. Chicago Blackhawks- they had Dave Bolland who was no honest player, he would hack, slash and take cheap shots when needed. Dorsett really let me down in this series because he was suppose to be our Ferlund, who gave hits to the Flames' D. However, he refused along with Mathias, Richardson, Higgins. This team had 15 hits in a elimination game! That is a joke. Benning needs to change character on this team enough is enough. How many times did we hit Johnny? Team's take liberties on the Sedins because nobody steps up on this team to be a role player. The last role player we had was Raffi Torres who actaully would hit to kill. I do give Burrow's credit in the game he fought, atleast he showed some passion, but where was Bieksa's passion? Canucks' try to play moral in the playoffs. Eg let the referee call the game, well how does that work for us. We got a penalty by having our player(Mcmillan) cross checked into the net.(explain that NHL or the clowns on TSN) But nah, they ignore it. So if you can't win by being moral than I guess it is time this team understood that you need to be dirty and cheap to win the Stanely Cup. Past winners have proven my theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 But being moral brings morale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hitting Gaudreau resulted in Burrows having his ribs broken by a linesman. This is where we are at right now. But to me that just means you need all your guys to be able to hit in the playoffs. They can't take everyone out of our lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hitting Gaudreau resulted in Burrows having his ribs broken by a linesman. This is where we are at right now. But to me that just means you need all your guys to be able to hit in the playoffs. They can't take everyone out of our lineup. I don't even think the Flames' defence is bruised or soar. We barely hit them and I would of been ecstatic if Bieksa gave a head shot back to Ferlund, even if it meant a suspension. Just remember, Anaheim averaged 50 hits a game on Winnipeg and Chicago got 30 hits on Nashivlle who had 50 hits and we had 15 hits in a elimination game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So just because we weren't physically dominating teams means we were being moral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 So just because we weren't physically dominating teams means we were being moral? Need more of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Need more of this So... Not really sure what your point is...the team responded to the hit Brown had on Hank. Is it because the reaction wasn't immediate? rather 10 seconds later because the game was actually still going on so they were more focused on trying to score than jump a guy who really isn't worth their time? The design of this team and the personnel we have wasn't built to play that style like putting a player through the glass. Just because we aren't laying out bone crushing hits doesn't mean we are playing a 'moral' style of hockey. If you didn't notice just about everyone and anyone was willing to answer the bell and were playing gritty hockey. But that just isn't our style of game and we only had like one guy who plays a physical style of hockey that was Dorsett. Kinda hard to be the only guy playing that style...he needs help and management will likely bring more guys to help him in that cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I don't even think the Flames' defence is bruised or soar. We barely hit them and I would of been ecstatic if Bieksa gave a head shot back to Ferlund, even if it meant a suspension. Didn't you see the multiple head shots Bieska gave to Ferland ... at the end of Game 3. Bit of a chicken sh*t move without giving Ferland the chance to drop the gloves. That was the only way Bieska could 'morally' get to Ferland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hitting Gaudreau resulted in Burrows having his ribs broken by a linesman. This is where we are at right now. But to me that just means you need all your guys to be able to hit in the playoffs. They can't take everyone out of our lineup. Did ya not watch what went down, this season and even last in So-Cal? Initiating, fighting or even sticking-up for themselves just got this team 'MORE' penalties once they became - the unfavored. Were ya not watchin' how many of those very 'absurd' penalty parades occurred or even happened? Did you happen to notice the almost inexplicable discrepancy between home and away winning records of teams in certain marketplaces, over the majority of others? The solution is far better vetting of officials, the Head of Officiating and far more integrity demonstrated in league politics - which should model itself after the IIHF. Maybe then - Linden, Sakic, Yzerman and the rest get more of these owners to thwart the stranglehold of power that Jacobs, Burkie, Campbell and the rest of their insider cronies have on the NHLOA, their seeded DPS, and the taint on these on-air media crews. It's a corrupt and manipulated entity to a major degree. NHL officials can completely dictate a LOT of what happens out there. That game that Auger refereed in VAN, as just 1 crew member, proved that. Fighting back, as a Canuck, has proven to be a futile endeavor, ...when at least 1 official does NOT allow it by his very 'unique' interpretation of these mostly 'subjective' rules. The outsiders need to break thru and get some more integrity back into this League and the AHL, (on par with the type-of-game being played in almost every other international and junior hockey-league in the world)....so that the entire NHLPA can play pro-hockey with more honour and proper feeling for their teams, teammates, family members, and fan-bases in each and every NHL city. You won't find me among those who praise, laud, honour or revere any propped-up or league-enabled Messier-types ....ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 So... Not really sure what your point is...the team responded to the hit Brown had on Hank. Is it because the reaction wasn't immediate? rather 10 seconds later because the game was actually still going on so they were more focused on trying to score than jump a guy who really isn't worth their time? The design of this team and the personnel we have wasn't built to play that style like putting a player through the glass. Just because we aren't laying out bone crushing hits doesn't mean we are playing a 'moral' style of hockey. If you didn't notice just about everyone and anyone was willing to answer the bell and were playing gritty hockey. But that just isn't our style of game and we only had like one guy who plays a physical style of hockey that was Dorsett. Kinda hard to be the only guy playing that style...he needs help and management will likely bring more guys to help him in that cause. Well hopefully Benning see's that and gets us the right players, but I did expect more from Dorsett who really let me down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I have a mixed feeling about this. On one hand, I agree with you. But the team's psychology got completely f*cked up since the 2011 finals, regarding the toughness in the playoffs. Over the years of bull$hit calls that have hurt the team at critical times, I don't think the players know how to stay on that fine edge anymore. For example, Ferland to his credit did a great job staying on that edge. His hits were late and handful of them were charging but the refs allowed it and he stayed within what was allowed by the refs and didn't go over the line. I think the years of being screwed by the referees at inopportune times have made the players to be afraid that if we do the same as Ferland, we would be called for 5 minute major and lose the game. So I think they try not to do it and win by playing hockey instead of try to be physical. We all know how fickle these referees are (not just towards the Canucks but to everyone). One moment, they say it's OK and on another moment, it would be a 5 minute boarding major. Sedins and the current leadership have, over the years realized that it's best not to take any chance with referees' fickleness. And this affects the whole team. Initially, I was mad at Dorsett for doing nothing. But I think he and the others were just simply heeding to the Sedins and the current leadership core's advice to not give the refs anything so I think he and the others did their best to suck it up and just play. It sucks but I don't think we can correct this unless new core of players arrive. Hopefully that's soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahyoung Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Didn't you see the multiple head shots Bieska gave to Ferland ... at the end of Game 3. Bit of a chicken sh*t move without giving Ferland the chance to drop the gloves. That was the only way Bieska could 'morally' get to Ferland. That's because Ferland was being a dum-dum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsflash Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 It's not about being immoral. It's about playing physical. We were the softest team in the playoffs. Need more hitting. Lack of physicality and a crappy defense were our two worst traits this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackers Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yeah, I don't think "moral" is the word you're looking for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 maybe a better word is 'clean'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Well hopefully Benning see's that and gets us the right players, but I did expect more from Dorsett who really let me down. Benning helped put together Boston, so I think he will find the kind of players you are talking about. Ima, Dorsett was injured early in the series. He was rocked a couple of times early on and was a pussycat after that. We didn't see the Dorsett that we have become used to over the regular season. Regarding your original post... I like to see good clean hits as much as the next guy. What I don't like, is the NHL claiming that they want to diminish the concussions and other serious injuries and then allow the refs to put away their whistles during the POs. Guys are charging at players from across the ice; elbowing players in the head; slamming players' faces/heads into the boards, etc. The NHL needs to shut those kind of hits down with heavy disciplinary action and force these guys to learn how to lay a clean hit. We have seen a few players lose their careers already, but if it continues to escalate (as it appears to be doing), someone could lose their life. The best hockey I've ever seen was played during the Olympics. There was a lot of physical play, but the kind of hits we're seeing in the NHL playoffs would not be permitted and the players knew it. There's not a SCF game 7 that could ever come close to an Olympic gold medal game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 You're right, you don't win games by having morals, you win games by scoring goals. Throwing your morals out the window don't score you goals, they usually score us trips to the penalty box, and if you didn't notice, we have no penalty kill at all. Thank god you are not the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I was screaming at Hank (or was it Daniel) on my TV when after Engelland tried to remove his face behind the Flames net, he picked up Engelland's stick off the ice and handed it to him after the whistle. I admire and respect the twins as players and people tremendously, but that mindset is not the one you want filtering down to your teammates. But when you're in a battle with an adversary, you have to be a leader of men and show them you'll do anything it takes to not only win for the team, but to send a message to your adversary that you won't be pushed around. I don't know how good of a team leader Steve Stamkos is, but damn I respect him for doing this for sending his teammates a message: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioMomesso Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 We have been depending on the refs to call an honest game way too long. It seems like once playoff time rolled around, the boys were too afraid to take a penalty. And therefore resulted in playing timid. If Ferland can take 8 strides and leave his feet 3 out of 4 hits? I'm sure we could have got away with one or two a game. Instead they wait for the refs to call something that they are never gonna call and insist on playing a hard honest game. Screw that idea. hard and dirty is the winning formula when it comes to the post season. Our goalie gets dog piled and no call but a battle between two guys going to the net results in a game changing power play. And we are supposed to be ok with that because they should have held onto a 3-0 lead anyways? CGY's D was laughing at our pathetic forecheck at every dump in. Not one CGY Dman was looking over his shoulder because he knew our boys are just doing fly by's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 the team proved, not to be good enough to push for the cup, but i appreciate each and ever player for trying to go further for us.i won't bad mouth any of them...i trust the brain trust to keep improving this team...their way, not mine...i've never coached or managed an nhl team yet.thanks canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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