tas Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 They could extend/restructure his contract which could lower his cap. uhh ... no they can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 No one would walk up to a person and just bad mouth them. No sane person anyway. But if he asked me my opinion I'd have no problem telling him I don't think he's all that good anymore. Then we could have a civil debate about what he brings, shake hands and walk away. Yea a civil debate how you are a terrible canucks fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Kevin Bieksa has no desire of leaving Vancouver and wants to return in a Canucks uniform next season: The Canucks are expected to make some changes to their roster this off-season and veteran defenseman Kevin Bieksa is hoping he isn't one of them. According to the Vancouver Sun, Bieksa does not want to be traded and has not spoken to management about waiving his no-trade clause. "It's never been brought up to me," Bieksa told the Sun. "No one's ever even mentioned it. Everyone I've talked to in the organization has never said anything but positive things to me. I've never had one negative experience with a fan in Vancouver, not one fan say they didn't like me. Not one. For me, it's a couple of people writing articles." Bieksa, who turns 34 on June 16, has one-year left on his contract that comes with a salary cap hit of $4.6 million, though he will earn $2.5 million in actual salary next season. http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/van150428.html Well there it is, KB's never been on CDC! I love Juice and would welcome him back with open arms, He is the heart and soul of this team and I'm sure he'll bounce back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 No one would walk up to a person and just bad mouth them. No sane person anyway. But if he asked me my opinion I'd have no problem telling him I don't think he's all that good anymore. Then we could have a civil debate about what he brings, shake hands and walk away. Nope!, Then you'll be in a headlock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 It's like this past season never happened, because I swear this story was from LAST off-season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He's a quality top 4 man who was paired with one of the worst d-man in the league last yr (Sbisa). Even Chara would have a belwo avg season if he had that partner all year. Kevins historical advanced stats are very strong. You don't trade those type of players cause they very hard to replace. I.e. trading Jason Garrison, who also had historical strong advanced stats, backfired in Bennings face this yr. Benning traded him for scraps and Willie was forced to use Sbisa in his place. Next yr, if Benning trades Bieksa - the same thing will happen. Bieksa will be replaced by some scrub that Benning thinks is a 'quality NHL dman", and this team sinks further into the abyss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I hope Kevin takes a job with the Canucks after he retires. Preferably something with the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 This defence needs a shakeup and the Calgary series highlighted that. I've been saying it ever since 2011, we simply don't have the quality depth that is required to win in this league anymore in the post-season. Edler and Tanev are great, but they're a 2nd pairing on most teams still in the playoffs. We lack that elite skill, and having old guys like Hamhuis and Bieksa is nice, but they're taking up spots where we really need to find a star to plug into this lineup, and Benning has to do that either by UFA signing, trade or grooming a prospect from within. If you split this defence down the middle in terms of Corsi and +/-, you'll see Edler and Tanev are well above anyone else, so they deserve to stay for sure. Then there's Hamhuis and Weber who looked good at times, but Weber gets gift-wrapped a lot of PP time because he's a right handed shooter, and is pretty woeful defensively. Hamhuis however is still above par and decent enough for a top-4 defenceman when it comes to defensive ability, but he brings no offence. Then we have the Sbisa-Bieksa combo. Both have been brutal +/- wise and Corsi/Fenwick-wise. They play a bit more physical which is nice but bring no offence and very little defence, and that's just not enough for two guys playing around 18-20 minutes a night. Basically, our defence needs more size and offence while being defensively sound. Right now we're a bit too physical and not producing enough offence or playing stable enough defence to ever win in the playoffs. Now I know Sbisa is not going to get moved, he looks like he'll be Benning's little project and I'm fine with that granted he stays on our bottom pairing. Benning must have him in his plans to eventually be a candidate to replace Hamhuis when he gets up in the mid 30s, but if Sbisa isn't ready by the time Hamhuis' contract is up I'm sure he'll go a different route. Until then I'm happy to have Sbisa playing 15-18 minutes a night. That leaves two big question marks at the right handed defencemen slots on our 2nd and 3rd pairings. For 4+M cap hit, Bieksa is pretty expensive to have as a 5th defenceman, but I suppose if Benning wants to wait his contract out then it's not such a big problem. Have him playing with Sbisa again for around 16-18 minutes a night and I guess our top-4 can pick up their slack. The problem is though, who plays with Hamhuis then? IMO it shouldn't be Weber. He's an AHL defenceman who caught a bit of luck this year playing with the Sedins, and now he's going to get paid for it when he's actually a 7th defenceman. He shouldn't be playing 20 minutes a night unless our defence has 4 injuries at a time. Weber belongs on a shallow defence as a bottom pairing guy, or this defence in the press box most of the time. We CANNOT have him as our 4th defenceman, that is simply stupid. Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - ? Sbisa - Bieksa I'm happy to keep Bieksa down at 18ish minutes a night PROVIDED Benning finds us a real puck moving defenceman on the right side to play with Hamhuis. Let's be honest, Corrado and Clendening are far from ready. They may push these guys for a roster spot in training camp but they'll never amount to 40-50 points in a regular season, which is what this team desperately needs. Cheap, easy fixes would be to sign someone like Cody Franson or Mike Green to a 2 year contract and see what happens. The hard way would be to package say Stanton/Weber/Corrado/Clendening plus Higgins plus a pick for a valuable, mid-20s right handed puck mover. The long and hard and least likely to work way would be to sit on our hands and pray to God that Clendening or Subban eventually become NHL PMDs worthy of 20+ minutes a night, can score 10+ goals and 40+ points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He's already said he wants to go down with the ship and it's pretty easy to infer he likes it here from his comments, but that doesn't mean there's 100% no chance he would waive either. We'll see what Benning's plans are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 +10000000 for Obscure Spider-Man Villan reference! Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 With the cap situation we're in, if we don't ship Bieksa out then we have to ship someone else with a similar cap hit out. Somethings gotta give if we're actually going to ice a team next season. So those of you who want to keep Bieksa, who would you rather ship out instead? Burrows? Hamhuis? Miller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 With the cap situation we're in, if we don't ship Bieksa out then we have to ship someone else with a similar cap hit out. Somethings gotta give if we're actually going to ice a team next season. So those of you who want to keep Bieksa, who would you rather ship out instead? Burrows? Hamhuis? Miller? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Hard to picture Hamhuis walking, but then I remember I thought the same thing about Mitchell, We all know KB is going nowhere which means Hamhuis is, he will be missed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Hard to picture Hamhuis walking, but then I remember I thought the same thing about Mitchell, We all know KB is going nowhere which means Hamhuis is, he will be missed, Willie didn't walk, Gillis didn't resign him because of his concussion issues. Willie wanted to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 They could extend/restructure his contract which could lower his cap. Of all the things the Canucks could do with Kevin Bieksa this is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senpai Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 They could extend/restructure his contract which could lower his cap. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He's a quality top 4 man who was paired with one of the worst d-man in the league last yr (Sbisa). Even Chara would have a belwo avg season if he had that partner all year. Kevins historical advanced stats are very strong. You don't trade those type of players cause they very hard to replace. I.e. trading Jason Garrison, who also had historical strong advanced stats, backfired in Bennings face this yr. Benning traded him for scraps and Willie was forced to use Sbisa in his place. Next yr, if Benning trades Bieksa - the same thing will happen. Bieksa will be replaced by some scrub that Benning thinks is a 'quality NHL dman", and this team sinks further into the abyss. Sbisa is a dumpster fire behind a used diaper factory. Replacing Garrison with him was a joke when it happened and a joke now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 The fact that this video exists is a testament to Sbisa's popularity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDbr-UQx7k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Vancouver needs to add top end D draft picks they have an unbalanced future and they have to fix it sooner than later.Does someone want Bieksa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Yeh some people are ridiculous complaining about his contract saying it's preventing us from acquiring anyone else. We can easily trade Millers 6 million, Higgins 2.5 which creates 8.5 million of room which would allow us to sign a legit d man(Green hopefully) We made the mistake of letting Willie Mitchell go, don't think we want to risk losing Kevin. After next year, he'll probably re-sign to a 2 year/5 million deal and anchor our bottom pairing with hopefully Hamhuis also taking a discounted deal. People were also wanting to ship Edler out last summer, now look he's our best d-man and a legit #2 d-man. this is a laugher. bieksa . . . tough? when was the last time he rocked a forward outta his socks? ferland had bieksa quivering. what did bieksa do? nothing. no retribution on ferland's team mates. no retribution on ferland. tough? don't make me laugh. bieksa has never been capable of punishing team's forwards. gritty maybe. and loyalty? for what? this guy has made a financial killing playing pro and we are supposed to feel sorry because he isn't good enough? if we can get anything for him we need to take it right now. as for edler, he was virtually un-tradeable for anything last season. this year he is moveable. it is the old sharepicker's adage: sell at the top buy at the bottom. if there is a good deal for edler out there, jb needs to take it. as someone said, we will soon be last in the west if we don't p/u some more high end prospects. this making the playoffs at all costs just to get blown out in the 1st round is a joke; we lost 5-10 spots in the drafting order for the privelage. if the owner is demanding jb make the playoffs every year, jb shouldn't have taken the job. picking up ufa's just to scrape by is pathetic. building through the draft is the way a sh#t team rebuilds especially if they have a messiah talent scout as jb has been proclaimed to be. vey and mccmillan and vrbata leave me skeptical however to the ability of jb to cherry pick 'bruins models.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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