THERETOOL Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I'm curious as to who your "MAJORITY" is... did you take a poll or something? I think you're being very assumptive in your wording. I agree with being OK with a youth movement, in fact I encourage it. I happen to agree with Benning and letting those young guy earn their spots rather than giving them away to guys who have no right even playing in the NHL. I am not OK with just tanking, I would prefer a competative team to watch rather than some crap like they've been watching in Edmonton for ages. I would not be putting money out for anything Canucks related if the team was painful to watch and I'm pretty sure most of the paying public feel the same way. I think management has a much better grip on how to handle an NHL team than you, I , or anyone else on CDC.... I believe he is right in his assumption about the majority .. the problem here isn't benning or anyone else in management . The problem is a greedy owner who cares more about a quick buck than he does winning . Im guessing Daddy has clamped down and that he is actually making the monetary decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I'm fully on board with the plan. I would prefer if the team continues to be competitive while infusing youth into the lineup. The change won't happen overnight, but it is better than building a team that is comfortable with losing. i agree...how could this team afford to pay players if we lose for a few seasons and people stop buying season tickets...this is a business, .....imo, they are going about it the right way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Torts was pretty entertaining all by himself don't you think Well the post game pressers were not on the ice. The scrum happened in Calgary. So his most entertaining was off the ice. What I'm getting at did fans like what they saw ON THE ICE the season before. Not do you like the results of a higher pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 i agree...how could this team afford to pay players if we lose for a few seasons and people stop buying season tickets...this is a business, .....imo, they are going about it the right way.... I think the market is pretty astute when it comes to hockey . They would rather invest in a team building a winner over the long run . I dont just men with money either , i mean emotionally . there has been too much disappointment for too long . another sub par post season will empty the seats if people dont believe that we are at least seeing a glimmer of hope . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I believe he is right in his assumption about the majority .. the problem here isn't benning or anyone else in management . The problem is a greedy owner who cares more about a quick buck than he does winning . Im guessing Daddy has clamped down and that he is actually making the monetary decisions Funny we're spending close to the salary cap. Does that sound like a team that's "clamping down"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I will never support a tank. If the owners/management do succumb to this horrible mentality of tanking, then I sincerely hope that the Aquilinis lose millions of dollars in the process. If the team were to choose to tank, that's where my homerism would end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CroSen Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I think we need to remember as well that going to games has become a challenge for many folks and families due to the cost. When a family manages to scrape up enough money to go to a game, likely one of the few they will attend that season, they want to see some NAMES, such as the Sedins, Bieksa, Burrows, etc. Dumping all the vets at once would also negatively impact attendance. A more balanced approach is fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two drink minimum Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 i agree...how could this team afford to pay players if we lose for a few seasons and people stop buying season tickets...this is a business, .....imo, they are going about it the right way....How do the Coyotes pay their players or how about the Blues. How much was a playoff ticket in Minnesota or Nashville? Its not the fans problem that the team doesn't make money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 You guys have no patience....JB wasn't even in attendance during playoffs as he's out with scouting staff and checking out potential young players overseas. The problem is that people think it's a matter of "say and do". That you simply say "we want to get younger players" and it happens. You don't ditch your roster....one that's having some success and then wing it..."it's a process" and they're on it. Remember, this is a new leadership group this year....so give them time? They have faith that if you make it INTO the playoffs, you stand a chance. And that's true. Sure...the powerhouse favourites are more lined up to win but if you make it there, it can work out. Hot goaltending is a huge factor and it's a matter of timing...if someone gets on a roll, it can carry a team. People glom on to ideas...to catch phrases here. Tank to win. Youth movement. Problem is...nothing is a "given" or key to success and I feel these guys need a bit of time before we assess what they have/haven't done. The fans scream for something after each win/loss. Well, mostly losses. And you want the team to respond accordingly, in the same manner? To hit the panic button and "trade all the playerz?". There is a disconnect...thankfully. We're starting to bring some players up through the ranks and you don't just throw them to the wolves...they are being transitioned in. And JB is out there looking at available young players who may deserve consideration. Let's leave it to him/them? So curious....if you're of the fans pushing for a heavy youth movement what, exactly, does that look like to you? Who and how? For you have to have that part figured out before you insist that someone else does. Let's hear "the plan" of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 And it's all in how you view it...I fixed this part for you: When your playoff games are barely selling out, even after you reduced the prices it speaks volumes to the faith the fans have in your product and what direction they truly want. bandwagoners who don't come to watch hockey, they come to watch wins (only). And, if/when you lose, which all teams do, they fail to recognize that and disappear. Fairweather fans if not bandwagoners. Not die hard, support your team types who rally behind the team. They wait for wins and leave at losses. Watch how other fanbases respond as their teams are eliminated....like night/day. We wait to harshly criticize every single thing rather than appreciate the run for what it was. Teams that are being swept still have people on their feet, applauding their efforts. Sure, this has been a roller coaster Jekyll & Hyde year but, as I keep saying.....it's not as easy as it looks. Clearly. Tired of the Debbie Downers that surround this team. I will be back next year, hopeful for whatever changes the powers that be decide upon. Afterall, they're the experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I will never support a tank. If the owners/management do succumb to this horrible mentality of tanking, then I sincerely hope that the Aquilinis lose millions of dollars in the process. If the team were to choose to tank, that's where my homerism would end. With you 100%. Then they'd just be wasting my time. So what if they tank, rebuild in a youth movement way and a truck hits me before I see it unfold? Live for the moment and give it your best shot, always. Don't choose to lose because that will be 'better' in the end in your opinion...there's nothing guaranteeing that. Ask Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CroSen Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Agree about tanking, although if they had done it just for this upcoming draft I may have forgiven them later on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackin'ThePads Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Stacked teams like St. Louis were eliminated early. Very good teams like WPG and NSH did as well. Heck even LA and SJ didn't make the playoffs. NYR will probably go out early as well. This logic that you have to tear it down to build it up is dumb. Canucks have a deep enough pool moving forward. Draft smart no matter where you pick and you can ice a competitive team. I think I'll give JB/TL/WD a few years to show us what they can do rather than get all cranky after 1 year. ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 With you 100%. Then they'd just be wasting my time. So what if they tank, rebuild in a youth movement way and a truck hits me before I see it unfold? Live for the moment and give it your best shot, always. Don't choose to lose because that will be 'better' in the end in your opinion...there's nothing guaranteeing that. Ask Edmonton. Agree, to a point. I would never support tanking, but I also don't want to see them constantly mortgaging the future. I prefer a more balanced approach where they stay competitive, inject youth as they earn it and then maybe selling some prospects to put them in a position to win it all, if the time is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 So curious....if you're of the fans pushing for a heavy youth movement what, exactly, does that look like to you? Who and how? For you have to have that part figured out before you insist that someone else does. Let's hear "the plan" of the fans. My plan: Trade Bieksa, Burrows, Higgins, Hamhuis and Hansen in deals that make sense. Insert new players acquired from trades above and any other promising rookies who earn a spot. Win Cup. I get your point of view. Preaching patience is easy when you love all the players. But I don't. This team peaked four 4 years ago and the remnants of that team just don't seem to have what it takes to return to that level. I don't want to give them anymore time while the rest of the league passes them by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Funny we're spending close to the salary cap. Does that sound like a team that's "clamping down"? has nothing to do with the cap , it has to do with the fact that getting 2 games of playoff revenue is more important than what happens in the long run to this team .. so instead of doing whatnot takes to actually retool to build a young winner .. we compete to stay average and never really contend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commercial Canuck Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 To be honest, I think our problem is that we have no true projected first-line talent in the prospect pool at all. After the Sedins, it's all players pushing beyond their talent. Whereas EDM, CGY, BUF, WPG, and every other team that's trying to re-build has legit first-liners coming into their system. I do believe this can change with one GREAT draft, or one GREAT offseason, but the mentality to spend 6mil for 3 years on a 34 year old goaltender, and 6-7mil on "role players" shows a lack of willingness to suck bad enough to get one of those players the good ol fashioned way, drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 To be honest, I think our problem is that we have no true projected first-line talent in the prospect pool at all. After the Sedins, it's all players pushing beyond their talent. Whereas EDM, CGY, BUF, WPG, and every other team that's trying to re-build has legit first-liners coming into their system. I do believe this can change with one GREAT draft, or one GREAT offseason, but the mentality to spend 6mil for 3 years on a 34 year old goaltender, and 6-7mil on "role players" shows a lack of willingness to suck bad enough to get one of those players the good ol fashioned way, drafting. Because the first ten players drafted in any given years are the only ones with the potential to be first liners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The disconnect is that fans are largely an ignorant and panicky bunch. Management is not. I'm ok with that disconnect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Maybe if we had a new owner, things would be different. But it doesn't look like the Aqulini's will sell this team any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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