gizmo2337 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva 1 hr1 hour ago #canucks Jordan Subban ELS contract: 3 years / $755 000 AAV (2 way) #tvasports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 hfboards.com praying this signing falls through and he re enters the draft. biggest win for Canucks and their fans today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 BUT WHAT ABOUT GETTING JORDAN SUBBAN SIGNED!!!! Oh wait, sorry... that just became habit after hearing that the Canucks made a signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kchengc Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Hopefully Jordan will turn out better than fedor fedorov and steve kariya. Canucks didn't really have luck with super stars' little brothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlsson`s Flo Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I heard the hold up was subban's agent wanted a NMC! I heard George Takei is actually straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva 1 hr1 hour ago #canucks Jordan Subban ELS contract: 3 years / $755 000 AAV (2 way) #tvasports Pretty nice coin for a fourth-rounder, not including bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Pretty nice coin for a fourth-rounder, not including bonuses. Subban's representatives probably pushed for it given his success in junior this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Will spend next season in Utica, probably struggle defensively at times but hopefully can be much stronger after his second full AHL season. Give him a turn in the big leagues at the age of 22-23, when our right side will mainly be Tanev, Clendening and Corrado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl's Jn Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Dammit, now what do we complain about? Isbisa is still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Pretty nice coin for a fourth-rounder, not including bonuses.We'll have to see the final details but that quote says "$755 000 AAV," which would indicate the cap hit (including bonuses). If that's the case, then Subban's deal would be right in line with several existing contracts for Canucks middle round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We'll have to see the final details but that quote says "$755 000 AAV," which would indicate the cap hit (including bonuses). If that's the case, then Subban's deal would be right in line with several existing contracts for Canucks middle round picks. Genuinely hoping he doesn't end up a bust like most of the Canucks middle round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Genuinely hoping he doesn't end up a bust like most of the Canucks middle round picks. Actually...if you look over the last decade, some of the canucks' best players have come from the mid to later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Actually...if you look over the last decade, some of the canucks' best players have come from the mid to later rounds. You're forgetting about the early rounds, trades, and undrafted FAs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltt Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Sweet! Now cdc can stop ripping JB for not signing him and start ripping JS for not being big enough to make the NHL. What took GMJB so long to do this?! He can't GM! He GMs like GMMG!! And WTF JS you gotta grow bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We'll have to see the final details but that quote says "$755 000 AAV," which would indicate the cap hit (including bonuses). If that's the case, then Subban's deal would be right in line with several existing contracts for Canucks middle round picks. Actually, I thought bonuses were not included, especially since they haven't been earned yet. Maybe the signing bonus but not the performance ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Actually, I thought bonuses were not included, especially since they haven't been earned yet. Maybe the signing bonus but not the performance ones. Bonuses count towards the cap hit whether they're achieved or not. Team has the option to defer bonus cap hits on the following years salary cap like Boston did this year with Jarome Iginla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 yeah all bonuses count against the cap until they can no longer be obtained. But teams are allowed to exceed the cap by the amount of all bonuses, but if any of those bonuses are realized and it pushes the team beyond the cap then those bonuses count against the cap next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Point was, the quoted cap hit cannot include bonuses that are performance-based because they are contingent. I've seen it possible for rookies to earn up to 2 or 3 mil on an ELC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 All these posts and still no desi?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Point was, the quoted cap hit cannot include bonuses that are performance-based because they are contingent. I've seen it possible for rookies to earn up to 2 or 3 mil on an ELC. It gets a little confusing between past, present, and future "cap hits" but "AAV" (average annual value) usually refers to the full amount for the contract, including the salary and all potential bonuses, divided by the term length. Past cap hits are what the team was charged against their cap. Present cap hits may or may not have bonuses deferred to the next year (depending on what the club has elected to do). But future cap hits should include all the bonus amounts (which can be then be deferred when the time comes, and the majority of which will go unearned, in the case of performance bonuses). AAV is generally understood as the future cap hit, which includes all the bonuses (including performance bonuses). That's why sites like Capgeek and General Fanager list Virtanen with an AAV of $1,744,166 and a current (2015-16) cap hit of $894,166. The tweet used AAV so unless they misrepresented things, the amount quoted should include the bonuses (even "contingent" performance bonuses). Of course, that may have been a reporting error and we won't truly know until the specific details get leaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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