elvis15 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I would absolutely trade Hamhuis - for the right return. Some team might offer it at the deadline but that's a big if. I don't see us really getting that return/value for Bonino though, and I'd rather see that play out with he and Horvat in the middle six for the next couple of years. Vrbata clearly will have value at the deadline, and Higgins and Hansen are enough of supporting pieces that trading them shouldn't be an issue (again, if we get a reasonable return for the future). The same goes for Miller but the value just won't be there unless we retain cap (which I wouldn't be against). But, I certainly don't advocate making all these deals at once. A couple prior to the draft and maybe a couple more before the deadline next year and it'd allow us to get more picks and give prospects a chance to step into the lineup. It's a slow turnover for the development process, while keeping some vets to ease the transition and mentor the younger players. It can be done that way if the Canucks are smart about it, but it requires patience and someone willing to take on the pieces we want to move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Please do get rid of some veterans, it will be tough to watch this team next year if the line up is exactly the same. I want to be clear I Do understand what your getting at but Benning got rid half the line up from the Gillis and Tortorella mess . And you expect more ESPECIALLY when he asked all the players with NTC on the team last if they would waive it . So what happens if you have the same response as last year when Majority of them didn't waive. Considering most of the contracts that were given were from previous management . Now I remember what Linden and Benning said is that there were going to be some tough decisions to make during the off season and that young players have to earn their spot on the team. And if they outworked a vet on the team they will find room for them. They also meantion they will not put a young player on the roster if they are not ready . It takes time to get rid of the vets. But your not going to get rid of them in one or two shots. You meantion that Vancouver were worse off at the trade deadline for doing nothing, and the other teams have gotton stronger? Hey what happened to Majority of those teams you AT THE TRADE DEADLINE? Two of those teams missed the playoffs. Two of the other teams I told you would go out in the first round in which they did in the Blues and Nashville. And Chicago and the Ducks !! Weren't they supposed to be in the dance anyways. You said this team overachieved! Did they really or did they found the right coach and Management team that played to the players strength not weakness like Torterella did. Weren't you the one that thought that the team was going to let Subban walk?? Point is how do you know that management isn't trying to work out a trade with other teams about getting rid of our vets. Just like you didn't know that Management and Subban were working out a deal. One more thing to considered ..It took Guys like Burke and Quinn at least 3-4 years to right the ship. The only difference is when Quinn and Burke took over as Gm they didn't have to deal with a Salary cap nor did they have to deal with half the roster with Ntc unlike Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 I want to be clear I Do understand what your getting at but Benning got rid half the line up from the Gillis and Tortorella mess . And you expect more ESPECIALLY when he asked all the players with NTC on the team last if they would waive it . So what happens if you have the same response as last year when Majority of them didn't waive. Considering most of the contracts that were given were from previous management . Now I remember what Linden and Benning said is that there were going to be some tough decisions to make during the off season and that young players have to earn their spot on the team. And if they outworked a vet on the team they will find room for them. They also meantion they will not put a young player on the roster if they are not ready . It takes time to get rid of the vets. But your not going to get rid of them in one or two shots. You meantion that Vancouver were worse off at the trade deadline for doing nothing, and the other teams have gotton stronger? Hey what happened to Majority of those teams you AT THE TRADE DEADLINE? Two of those teams missed the playoffs. Two of the other teams I told you would go out in the first round in which they did in the Blues and Nashville. And Chicago and the Ducks !! Weren't they supposed to be in the dance anyways. You said this team overachieved! Did they really or did they found the right coach and Management team that played to the players strength not weakness like Torterella did. Weren't you the one that thought that the team was going to let Subban walk?? Point is how do you know that management isn't trying to work out a trade with other teams about getting rid of our vets. Just like you didn't know that Management and Subban were working out a deal. One more thing to considered ..It took Guys like Burke and Quinn at least 3-4 years to right the ship. The only difference is when Quinn and Burke took over as Gm they didn't have to deal with a Salary cap nor did they have to deal with half the roster with Ntc unlike Benning. Okay, I get what your saying but here is the thing: The Canucks' at this moment have nobody to replace the Sedins' in the future. So there remains a massive hole on the 1st line. Second, the Canucks' have a huge hole to fit on defence. Now, yes I did say trade a)Mathias b)Richardson c) Higgins at the draft because they would get us a decent return on a deadline day that teams over-paid. Now yes the Canucks' made the playoffs but tell me how much did Mathias or Richardson contribute to this team after the deadline? Okay that's the past its done with, so let's move on. Currently Benning is faced with three trades that can get us some young prospects. The first option is Hamuis, a guy with a NTC, but a guy who is well respected and has alot of value since he helped the team win gold. Now tell me what team wouldn't want Hamuis? The chances of Hamuis waiving are high because he is not a Bieksa. After watching Kesler, Hamuis might think he is getting older with one year left he should go out and give it a go with a different team. The return Hamuis will get us will be fair and will help us rebuild for the future. At this point we pretty much have to trade some of our d-men because there is a logg jam presenting itself with Corrado, Beiga, Clendenning, all wanting roster spots. The second option we should trade is Vrabta, why because again he can fetch us a decent return, teams will be interested in a 30 goal scorer. Think of a team like Montreal who might want him. The third possible trade will be goaltenders, but the market is low for goaltenders and I don't know but a decent 3rd rounder can go a long way. The biggest hole this team has to fill for the future is defence and at the moment we don't have that personified stud. The second issue going forward is this team doesn't have first line talent like the Sedins. Unless Horvat and Baerstchi become that, but at the moment its a coin flip. Finally, lots of fans are afraid to trade away veterans because they fear turning into the Oilers. Well let's ask ourselves why did Oilers suck so bad? Imagine taylor hall,eberle, Nugent hopkins, with decent defence like Calgary had. Ask yourself what makes Flames' a good team, its there defence. At this moment Benning is given two golden chips that can help improve our defence for the future and I think he should definitely get the pieces moved. One more thing, in the playoffs this year the Flames' exposed our team. It showed Benning what the problem is with this team, defence and gritt. This team failed to hit the Flames defence, and failed to neutralize a guy named Micheal Ferlund. lol give me a break. I hope you watched the Ducks, how they made nonfactors of Ferlund and the Flames' D. I hope Benning saw what is needed on this team and is willing to trade some of the veterans, even if it breaks some of the fans hearts because long term it will help us and short term it might not (eg missing the playoffs next year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Higgins had 2 points in 6 games in the playoffs and is on a great contract, it would be silly to get rid of him if it wasnt in a large deal for something substantial. Hansen was tied for the team lead in points and goals so idk how you got the idea he didnt perform. He is on a great contract as well. Both are fantastic defensively and make our PK one of the best in the league. Both have NHL experience and a veteran presence to go along with that defensive prowess, that they can teach to our young kids. No reason to get rid of either of them. What we need to fix/overhaul is our terrible, terrible defense. If we have some youngsters adding some secondary scoring and a not ridiculously bad defense we could see a solid improvement next year or the year after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 i'm not saying, to not trade some core players for youth....just not till they are ready to compete at this level... to rush them into the nhl to soon is lunacy....too many people want wholesale changes...i'll trust benning's plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manroth19 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Theres way too many moving parts but to be honest if something crazy like this happens it doesnt mean all those rookies are in the lineup it just means benning wants to fillyhe roster with free agents. I wouldnt mind a green or soderberg on our team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 definitively this. unload Miller asap and sign a 6M top forward. (eberle would be perfect on a line with Vrbata and Horvat) Why not Sven with Horvat and Virbabta, Sven is going to be a real good player and can score goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Good luck with that. This team has been searching for this mythical beast known as secondary scoring since the Sedins took control of the top line duties. Even when Kesler, who is a prototypical 2nd line center, was here he was the helicopter line (no wings) and couldn't really provide the secondary scoring that was desired. Since getting a 2nd line player through free agency or trades seemingly will cost a lot in money or prospects, our only realistic (yet far fetched) hope is that someone from within the organization is ready to make an impact next season from the get-go. 2nd line Horvat Virbabta and Sven=impact. Hope Virbata has a great season and trade him for picks come trade deadline day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 This team needs a jump start..the old vets are still serviceable checkers but we need to explore options for increased scoring.Higgins and Hansen in the top 6 or PP?bottom 6 fine..but the options aren't there for the 2nd PP unit or forwards to be a threat to score. The older core had their chance time to try something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Hey CanucksTravella how do you spell Baertschi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 You've seen how he spells in general and you expect him to be able to spell Baertschi? You've got to temper your expectations, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Hansen vanished in play off? Please lets get rid of Hansen, and bring in some youth (Hansen by the way is the same guy, who makes a woopping 2,5 mill a year and only made 16-17-33 during the season and 2-2-4 in 6 play off games, all while he was part of the forth line)... Hansen was one of our best energy players last year. Without him we had next to no speed in the team... Also his influence on Horvats development, one can only speculate on, but it definitely didn't seem to hinder Horvat playing with him. There will be changes and youth will get their chance , when deemed ready by management, but not hung out to dry, just to make you happy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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