desiboynux4lifee******* Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Time to give Griener a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 We don't have room for him. Though he is an awesome player. I can see him going to the oilers, they need bodies like himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 For all the people saying the Canucks need to get younger.. yes that's true. And they are, except Benning and Linden clearly stated getting younger AND remaining competitive. If the youth isn't ready, they're not going to rush them for the sake of having youth in the line up. Ward fills the role of remaining competitive. It all depends on how things play out at the draft. If Benning can tweak the roster without having to dip into free agency (ie I don't see any Vrbata potential signings out there, except maybe Green on D) then Ward doesn't fit the plans. But if it looks like the youth we have don't have the confidence of WD and the management, then you can be sure they'll look to hedge their bets and dip into free agency for a quote unquote known quantity. Besides, all it costs is cash, cap and roster space. If youth emerges during the season and supplants any UFA signings, people can always be traded at the deadline or prior to the draft for that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Nice player and all but no thanks. Would rather fill that role from within at a fraction of the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 For all the people saying the Canucks need to get younger.. yes that's true. And they are, except Benning and Linden clearly stated getting younger AND remaining competitive. If the youth isn't ready, they're not going to rush them for the sake of having youth in the line up. Ward fills the role of remaining competitive. It all depends on how things play out at the draft. If Benning can tweak the roster without having to dip into free agency (ie I don't see any Vrbata potential signings out there, except maybe Green on D) then Ward doesn't fit the plans. But if it looks like the youth we have don't have the confidence of WD and the management, then you can be sure they'll look to hedge their bets and dip into free agency for a quote unquote known quantity. Besides, all it costs is cash, cap and roster space. If youth emerges during the season and supplants any UFA signings, people can always be traded at the deadline or prior to the draft for that year. Even adding JUST Baer, where does he slot in? And how does he fit under the cap? Sedin, Sedin, Burrows Baer, Bonino, Vrbata Hansen, Horvat, Kassian Higgins, Richardson/UFA/Cassels, Dorsett If there's any forward UFA's we're going after it's for an upgrade on Richardson at 4C IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 It depends on what kind of identity we're looking to build. If Trader Jim wants to build a team with size, toughness and scoring, adding Joel would be solid. What's more, given the division we're in and the big opponents (Anaheim, LA, San Jose) it definitely would meet a need. Even teams built on speed (e.g. Tampa) have bigger/ grit guys (e.g. Killorn, Callahan, Boyle, Morrow) to add balance and if we're going to infuse our smaller, offensive youth (e.g. Sven/ Hunter?) into the team it makes sense to have some skilled, physical depth to balance things out as not all small guys can be Patrick Kane without a Buffy around to open space and score garbage goals. In this past post-season we also saw how not having our primary grit guys (Burr, Kass) around hurt the team's chances of scoring when things got tight in front of the other team's net, and Joel's size would really help. Wouldn't do more than 2 years since he is getting up in years, but I'd definitely try to get him to help out the current regime. Hope that would happen after moving from D.D., Luca, Juice and Higgins' contracts (and don't say the first two can't happen, Jeff Carter was dealt in the off-season after signing his 11 year extension with Philly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 We do not need more bottom 6 players, especially a 34 year old that will command an overpayment as a free agent. I hope we stay away and continue down the path of developing from within. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl's Jn Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 We don't have space for all of our current bottom 9 players (NHL and prospects), why would we want/need another one? Especially one who's going on 35 and not exactly fleet of foot. (We need to get younger and faster, not older and slower). Don't get me wrong, he's a good, clutch player but this smells like someone mentioned Vancouver for pure click bait. its called upgrading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl's Jn Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 joe ward is an upgrade over kassian and higgins combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejejester Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I would not sign him. Youth over ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Even adding JUST Baer, where does he slot in? And how does he fit under the cap? Sedin, Sedin, Burrows Baer, Bonino, Vrbata Hansen, Horvat, Kassian Higgins, Richardson/UFA/Cassels, Dorsett If there's any forward UFA's we're going after it's for an upgrade on Richardson at 4C IMO. There is always room for a trade but of the players in the lineup above I would not be interested in swapping one out for Ward. The team will look at veteran options for sure, but this team is coming up on a point where a few youngsters will be pushing for roles with the club and they will need that opportunity not a wall in their face they can't get passed. Think Jensen ? if he has an amazing camp, shows up and provides a consistent game, he could push for a top nine role with the club, healthy competition between Canucks players. The team does not need to bring in Ward to potentially stunt a youngsters development with the big club. I am a fan of Ward's game to a degree, but older and slower than I'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky_nucker Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 We would have to trade out one of our current wingers to really have room for him. Higgins maybe? Even then I would only be interested in signing him for 2 years for $3.5 mil or so. Maybe something like: Sedin-Sedin-Kass Baer-Bonino-Vrbata Burr-Horvat-Ward Dorsett-???-Hansen Could trade him when one of our young wingers are ready for full time. Still seems like a bit of a stretch that we would be in the market for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 21, 2015 Author Share Posted May 21, 2015 Interesting to see some of the responses. He'd certainly be a short term signing similar to the idea behind Vrbata, where he doesn't help our future apart from to make the transition easier for now. If we can get assets back for other redundant pieces and don't have young players to step up just yet then Ward could be interesting. It'd be even more so if we could then flip him just prior to the end of his deal with us for more assets. Otherwise though there's not a lot that really entices us short term if it meant forcing a deal and/or taking a spot from a young player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Trade Vrbata for stuff, sign Ward. Next year, trade Ward for stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Moody Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I came into this thread expecting the whole race card to be thrown out there and half the discussion to be about the color of his skin and not his skills as a hockey player... I wasn't wrong. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 its called upgrading With what cap space? He's not twice as good as Higgins, 3X as good as Kassian (and his potential) or 4-5X as good as a prospect which is about what he'll cost. Nor, other than maybe Higgins, should we be moving any of those pieces (plus more to clear the cap space) to simply fit an old, slow, albeit talented Ward. Don't see how he fits at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Sedin - Sedin - Kassian Baertschi - Bonino - Vrbata Burrows - Horvat - Ward Dorsett - _____ - Hansen Ship Higgins out for a 2nd, sign Ward for $3-$3.5 a year? I know we're trying to get younger but that third line is beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 With Vrbata, Hansen, Kassian and Dorsett signed, I don't really see where he fits. Of course, Dorsett can play LW, but he would probably take the spot of Virtanen IF he would make the team. I really like Ward, just don't know if he fits with our "getting younger" plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy bastard Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Would be pretty happy with Ward at 3.5ish x 2 years. Higgins would have to be dealt for a pick or prospect. I'm not really into bringing in more vets at this time, but how can you say no to the BLACK BEAUTY? I agree. Probably gets 4.5 on the open market, but I would find a way to get er done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 He doesn't fit yet. But who knows, guys like Burrows, Higgins, etc. could be gone by free agency. You never know. We could use a shake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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