N7Nucks Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Gonna have to make some trades to squeeze him in I reckon. Let some folks walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Lol...ok. Guy had 45 points and +15 this season with 19:06 TOI/G average and a 53% CF% THIS SEASON. He's better than Ehrhoff and miles better than Clendening. You're also not paying a guy like him to clear the crease in your D zone. You're paying him to get the puck to the Sedins and other forwards/out of the D zone and be a threat to score or set up a scoring chance from the offensive blue line. EXACTLY what our D and team needs. He isn't expected to be a "complete player". If he was, he'd be commanding $7m+ instead of $6m+ Franson is not a complete player. He doesn't have the speed or top level offense to be considered "complete". Just like Edler, while a very good D, is not "complete". There's a reason they're considered good #2 D's, not #1's. None of these three guys are "complete" Green just so happens to be the only one with the skill set we require/lack. Again, Franson's a good player, my view of him is not negative, simply that he's redundant on our team. It's like having a car that needs new tires but buying a new performance exhaust manifold instead because it's a bit cheaper than the tires even though the one you have is already working fine. If we don't have money for Green (which we probably won't), we don't have money for Franson. I don't think it is worth to pay 6+ for someone who is only great offensively. He was the capitals 5th defenseman all season. When you have guys like Orpik, Alzner, Niskanen and especially Carlson playing against the tough opposition then you're going to get the sheltered minutes. Which was great because Green is good when he doesn't play against the tougher forwards. He won't have that luxury here. He would be against the tougher competition becuase he would be on our top 4 not top 6. Our division is a lot harder than the metro. Green is much better than Franson offensively but Franson is a better defensively and plays physically while having offensive upside. You took out of context what I said of complete, it wasn't about their talent level. Green and Franson are not top 2 D, they're both top 4. I meant complete in the fact that Franson can play in all 3 zones and has more attributes in his game. Green is pretty much just an offensive defenseman. Also more than one move would have to be made in order to make the cap to sign Green and re-sign the RFA's we need to re-sign. We might only need to move Bieksa in order to make enough cap for Franson. Also we would need to replace the physicality Bieksa brings and Franson does that and more. In the end I would much rather have two pairings that we can throw out against any forwards and in any situation than just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 We don't need Franson at top dollar...but we do at a hometown discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Young defensemen with offensive instincts, throws big hits and blocks lots of shots and only commanding around 5M per season; which is a reasonable salary considering what other defencemen go for. Yet many here do not want him. It's a head scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 We might need to fill a role of more offense at D but we also have problems defensively. I like Franson because, like Edler, he does a bit of both. I know that a team like SJS, who have 3 defenseman signed and the cap space, will be all over someone like Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxgoalie Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 He would help out on our horrid PP... An Edler - Franson pairing on the 1st PP would be pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Yesssssssssss. You could have been onto something in that other thread. I hope he means "in the mix" as in within $1-2 million of the best offer he gets. At under $5 million on a 4-5 year term he would be a terrific addition (assuming Bieksa or Hamhuis are moved). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I think Franson is the type of D-man we have to add to our line-up. Although at the moment we have a lot of D-men for 6 or 7 spots. We would need to move someone and money to make this happen. No he is not he is big, slow and bad defensively. We have plenty of that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckofSteel Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Bieksa, Higgins, Matthias out Franson, Ward in Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata Burrows-Bonino-Kassian Shinkaruk-Horvat-Ward Dorsett-Richardson/Gaunce-Hansen Edler-Tanev Hamhuis-Franson Sbisa-Corrado/Clendenning Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 He's terrible defensively and he's the not pp qb people are trying to sell him as. He can put points but no thank you. Sbisa and Bieksa are enough to deal with, now Franson? Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I don't think Franson is as good as people make him out to be. I think he is going to sign a big contract somewhere and do a somewhat decent job but not for what his paycheck suggests. Moving Bieksa would be the only way he could fit in but I don't think that will happen any time soon with the way he speaks about the Canucks and his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Young defensemen with offensive instincts, throws big hits and blocks lots of shots and only commanding around 5M per season; which is a reasonable salary considering what other defencemen go for. Yet many here do not want him. It's a head scratcher. Shows how many people on here don't watch hockey outside of the Canucks. And of course, since he's a former Leaf he's automatically trash Pretty good article on him from earlier in the year that I encourage doubters to read: http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/1/7/7477933/gorges-franson-and-what-might-have-been Before this season, Cody Franson was occasionally made a healthy scratch by coach Randy Carlyle for reasons which are unclear to anyone but the head coach himself. Since the 2013 lockout, among 203 NHL defensemen who have played more than 1000 minutes at 5 vs 5, Franson ranks 26th overall in puck possession with a +2.9% Fenwick Relative rating while playing against tough competition and starting most of his shifts in the defensive zone. This places him in the vicinity of established number-one defensemen like Drew Doughty (+2.5%), Victor Hedman (+2.7%) and Zdeno Chara (+3.0%). Among Habs defensemen in the same span, P.K. Subban clocked in at +4.2%, Andrei Markov was +1.1%, and Josh Gorges had a -0.1% rating. If you prefer to judge offense by looking at point production, then Franson is elite in that aspect as well. At 5 vs 5, Franson ranks 17th out of 203 in production with 1.1 points per 60 minutes played, tied with Subban, Mark Giordano and Mike Green. On the powerplay, Franson ranked 3rd in points/60 minutes, behind only Kevin Shattenkirk and James Wisniewski. For those who care about hits, Franson somehow managed to find time to lay the body 426 times since the lockout, more than anyone other than Luke Schenn. Essentially, on the merit of his ability to drive play and put points on the board while playing mostly shutdown minutes against high quality of competition, Franson should be considered a number-one defenseman on most NHL teams, and could slot in as a capable number two or three on a Stanley Cup contender. He was quite easily the Leafs best defenseman last year and did well playing on the top pairing against the toughest competition. Obviously I don't think he's a number one or even a number two, but he'd be a very very solid #4 here. He certainly ticks a lot of the boxes in terms of what our needs are. He'd add much needed size, good physicality and an offensive punch we sorely lack from the back end. Edit: and here is one from canucksarmy today basically saying the same thing: http://canucksarmy.com/2015/5/25/pending-ufa-cody-franson-intrigued-by-the-possibility-of-joining-the-canucks?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 One thing is certain, Cody Franson wants to get PAID. Winning culture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 He would help out on our horrid PP... An Edler - Franson pairing on the 1st PP would be pretty solid.Sedin - Sedin - Kassian Franson - Edler Baertschi - Horvat - Bonino Vrbata - Clendening/Hamhuis/Bieksa Would definetly help get our PP back to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Translation: He wants 30 teams to offer him an 8 year, 10mil a year contract. But since that isn't likely, he wants to maximize interest as much as possible in the teams that just might get into a bidding war for him. I'd rather have Green. Hamhuis-Green would be an excellent pairing. Green > Franson > A rotten turnip > Bieksa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Young defensemen with offensive instincts, throws big hits and blocks lots of shots and only commanding around 5M per season; which is a reasonable salary considering what other defencemen go for. Yet many here do not want him. It's a head scratcher. If it's 5mil per year I'm all in. I suspect it will be well North of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 No he is not he is big, slow and bad defensively. We have plenty of that already. He reminds me so much of Garrison, especially since both let a lack of mobility affect their d-coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 As a powerplay specialist and offensive d-man, sure. Defensively, he's horrid. Pair with Tanev from day 1 please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 If it's 5mil per year I'm all in. I suspect it will be well North of 5. I'd be willing to do a shorter term and more cash. OFC this doesn't fit the Canucks pay structure at all but right now him coming here is just a pipe dream anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Shows how many people on here don't watch hockey outside of the Canucks. And of course, since he's a former Leaf he's automatically trash Pretty good article on him from earlier in the year that I encourage doubters to read: http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/1/7/7477933/gorges-franson-and-what-might-have-been If you prefer to judge offense by looking at point production, then Franson is elite in that aspect as well. At 5 vs 5, Franson ranks 17th out of 203 in production with 1.1 points per 60 minutes played, tied with Subban, Mark Giordano and Mike Green. On the powerplay, Franson ranked 3rd in points/60 minutes, behind only Kevin Shattenkirk and James Wisniewski. For those who care about hits, Franson somehow managed to find time to lay the body 426 times since the lockout, more than anyone other than Luke Schenn. Essentially, on the merit of his ability to drive play and put points on the board while playing mostly shutdown minutes against high quality of competition, Franson should be considered a number-one defenseman on most NHL teams, and could slot in as a capable number two or three on a Stanley Cup contender. He was quite easily the Leafs best defenseman last year and did well playing on the top pairing against the toughest competition. Obviously I don't think he's a number one or even a number two, but he'd be a very very solid #4 here. He certainly ticks a lot of the boxes in terms of what our needs are. He'd add much needed size, good physicality and an offensive punch we sorely lack from the back end. Edit: and here is one from canucksarmy today basically saying the same thing: http://canucksarmy.com/2015/5/25/pending-ufa-cody-franson-intrigued-by-the-possibility-of-joining-the-canucks?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Definitely explains why he was a healthy scratch by the Preds in the playoffs. 5 million dollar dmen aren't ever healthy scratches. Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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