Hugor Hill Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 That could happen any minute though. Giving nukes to all nations would likely prevent this as there would be no forgein aggression on any lands due to nuclear deterrents. The US and UK are still pushing the Iran agenda because they want to keep hopes up on a war there. I doubt it happens, but the reason is because they aren't a nuclear power. If Israel wasn't a nuclear power they'd be wiped off the map long ago. Same line of logic as the pro-gun argument in the US. If everyone has nukes, the only way to win a war would be through nuclear annihilation. Proxy war over nuclear annihilation any day. And it also runs the risk stated by Chalky: I think giving nukes to all nations just increases the likelihood that a madman will get a one through a nation with unstable politics and inevitably one will be set off. I also think the USA and UK protect Israel out of longstanding and outdated foreign policy dating back to 1949. There's been better justification for the US to invade Iran than others they have invaded. They need a few stable enemies. ********* They can. Israel's not going to be wiped off the map again. Again? That didn't happened. But anyways yeah don't worry about that. In fact, they have been expanding for some 50 years now. There is a map on the internet to show you the details.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Again? That didn't happened. But anyways yeah don't worry about that. In fact, they have been expanding for some 50 years now. There is a map on the internet to show you the details.... What didn't happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Nukes, although can potentially end the world, keep countries in check from invasions. In a way it prevents wars, as long as they are in the hands of legitimate governments. When countries like Iran and N Korea inevitably get in this game, do any of you think that they will willingly give them up should the rest of the world do so? Absolutely not. We would all be easy targets. Any religiously fundamental run government and those run by dictatorship must not never have nukes. When that day comes, the world will be in great danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 What didn't happen? Israel has never been wiped off the map. It has seen heavy fighting and has changed hands many times over the last years, but it was never wiped off the map. If you are referring to the holocaust, that happened in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Israel has never been wiped off the map. It has seen heavy fighting and has changed hands many times over the last years, but it was never wiped off the map. If you are referring to the holocaust, that happened in Europe. True, I guess, but it was still pretty much razed to the ground in AD 70, as well as the whole changing hands bit both before and after that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Israel has never been wiped off the map. It has seen heavy fighting and has changed hands many times over the last years, but it was never wiped off the map. If you are referring to the holocaust, that happened in Europe. and the holocaust wasn't just jews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Nukes, although can potentially end the world, keep countries in check from invasions. In a way it prevents wars, as long as they are in the hands of legitimate governments. When countries like Iran and N Korea inevitably get in this game, do any of you think that they will willingly give them up should the rest of the world do so? Absolutely not. We would all be easy targets. Any religiously fundamental run government and those run by dictatorship must not never have nukes. When that day comes, the world will be in great danger. Iran has never invaded nor threatened to invade another country......one could argue that they are the ones being threatened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Another stupid Israel discussion. I do not understand why people care about that country so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Iran has never invaded nor threatened to invade another country......one could argue that they are the ones being threatened. While I agree there are deeper politics involved, Iran did invade Iraq via air and land on Sept 22 1980 kicking off a long standing regional conflict which is still active today. The 8 odd documented years of war between the countries is estimated to have killed millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 So.....after thinking about this for a couple of days....a question occurred to me. We assume that Canada voted this way to protect Israel's nuclear programme and armaments because it is a state secret that they don't want to reveal. Is it possible that our own government voted this way out of self-interest because it has altered our own situation under this leadership, behind closed doors in the spirit of 'continental security,' so that we don't want to fall under the same scrutiny as Israel? I believe it is a question worth considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 So.....after thinking about this for a couple of days....a question occurred to me. We assume that Canada voted this way to protect Israel's nuclear programme and armaments because it is a state secret that they don't want to reveal. Is it possible that our own government voted this way out of self-interest because it has altered our own situation under this leadership, behind closed doors in the spirit of 'continental security,' so that we don't want to fall under the same scrutiny as Israel? I believe it is a question worth considering. We got nukes? Nah....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 We got nukes? Nah....... Maybe. Or at least sheltering them illegally in our territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Iran has never invaded nor threatened to invade another country......one could argue that they are the ones being threatened. This is not even remotely true... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Iran Iran also has troops in Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 While I agree there are deeper politics involved, Iran did invade Iraq via air and land on Sept 22 1980 kicking off a long standing regional conflict which is still active today. The 8 odd documented years of war between the countries is estimated to have killed millions. Iraq actually invaded Iran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Than why can't they stand on their own two feet without Canada the US and the UK propping them up in front of the UN? Take those 3 countries out of the equation and I am sure Israel panics and does something incredibly stupid, or at least more so than their usual Why does any nation recruit allies at the UN? Arabs are the kings of doing that. They've formed entire voting blocks based around ethnicity, religion, oil, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 They can. Israel's not going to be wiped off the map again. Sure they will As will every empire or power hungry nation on the planet in time. It just doesn't factor in how many they'll take with them when it happens. Nothing lasts forever and when you're born in blood you'll go out swimming in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Iraq actually invaded Iran It's unclear who started the conflict. Iran was certainly active with paramilitary groups in Iraq. But yes, Iraq was the first to have an invasion. There was also a stall in the war between 1981 and 1982. Ceasefires were proposed. Iran responded by launching their own invasion. The last 6 years of the war (which lasted about 8 in total) were a direct result of the Iranian invasion of Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Iraq actually invaded Iran That is accurate. Iraq did make the first incursion. My point was more that Iran is not innocent, they did want territory and they did want to orchestrate a regime change. Oddly enough, Iran and the USA have had common enemies a lot on recent history. To your point though, I acknowledge you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Maybe. Or at least sheltering them illegally in our territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Maybe. Or at least sheltering them illegally in our territory. We are not bad ass enough for this storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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