[PROPOSAL] VAN-BUF

[grouette10]

VANCOUVER TRADES:

EDDIE LACK

BUFFALO TRADES:

MIKHAEL GRIGORENKO

4TH ROUND PICK

[thejazz97]

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[SabreFan1]

VANCOUVER TRADES:

EDDIE LACK

BUFFALO TRADES:

MIKHAEL GRIGORENKO

4TH ROUND PICK

I'm just going to find one of my many old posts about people wanting to trade Lack to Buffalo.

Short version: Anybody following Buffalo knows that they want to have a young core that will "grow up" together. Eddie Lack is 27 y.o. The Sabres are 3 years away from contending. That means that by the time that the Sabres are contenders, Lack will be 30 going on 31. At best he's on par with Miller as a slightly above average goalie. Three years from now Lack will be a merely adequate goalie whose skills are declining. Lack is not a fit for Buffalo.

[JimLahey]

I'd want Reinhart as well.

[Brocklovich]

I'm just going to find one of my many old posts about people wanting to trade Lack to Buffalo.

Short version: Anybody following Buffalo knows that they want to have a young core that will "grow up" together. Eddie Lack is 27 y.o. The Sabres are 3 years away from contending. That means that by the time that the Sabres are contenders, Lack will be 30 going on 31. At best he's on par with Miller as a slightly above average goalie. Three years from now Lack will be a merely adequate goalie whose skills are declining. Lack is not a fit for Buffalo.

I disagree a little bit on that simply because Lack gives Buffalo a pretty decent upgrade in goal and with a piece or 2 in the bottom 6 / on D and they may squeek into the playoffs.

Lack also gives them a youngish goalie that can shoulder the load while the team goes through its growing pains.

Also at some Buffalo will need to start to show its fan base that they want to become competitive (Also will be better for their prospects to start playing in a winning environment)

[DownUndaCanuck]

Lack + 1st for Reinhart. Throw in Jensen or another B-grade prospect if need be.

[BI3KSA-]

I'm just going to find one of my many old posts about people wanting to trade Lack to Buffalo.

Short version: Anybody following Buffalo knows that they want to have a young core that will "grow up" together. Eddie Lack is 27 y.o. The Sabres are 3 years away from contending. That means that by the time that the Sabres are contenders, Lack will be 30 going on 31. At best he's on par with Miller as a slightly above average goalie. Three years from now Lack will be a merely adequate goalie whose skills are declining. Lack is not a fit for Buffalo.

The Sabres are probably much more than 3 years away from contending. But really that just enhances your point.

[SabreFan1]

I disagree a little bit on that simply because Lack gives Buffalo a pretty decent upgrade in goal and with a piece or 2 in the bottom 6 / on D and they may squeek into the playoffs.

Lack also gives them a youngish goalie that can shoulder the load while the team goes through its growing pains.

Also at some Buffalo will need to start to show its fan base that they want to become competitive (Also will be better for their prospects to start playing in a winning environment)

First bolded: They suck. They aren't getting anywhere near the playoffs. I look forward to the 2016 lottery; the Sabres will have Top 5 odds.

Second bolded: The winning will come sooner rather than later. Nobody in Buffalo is worried about that. With the quality of the prospect pool, the Sabres will be dominant in a few years. What's even better is that the team will be big.

[SabreFan1]

The Sabres are probably much more than 3 years away from contending. But really that just enhances your point.

I give it 3 years as do a decent number of analysts. 3 years for 100+ pt. regular season. The playoffs are called the "second season" for a reason. When they begin, many things can happen.

[SabreFan1]

Lack + 1st for Reinhart. Throw in Jensen or another B-grade prospect if need be.

Dream on Homer.

[BI3KSA-]

I give it 3 years as do a decent number of analysts. 3 years for 100+ pt. regular season. The playoffs are called the "second season" for a reason. When they begin, many things can happen.

I haven't heard a single analyst say that, although I havent heard any analysts talk about the Sabres recently. I think its wishful thinking (and then some) to think you will go from worst team in the league with massive gaping holes in most, if not all, positions, to contending, in only 3 years. Could easily be a Edmonton 2.0. I wouldnt say a 100 pt season equates to contending either. Canucks had over 100 points this season and werent even close to contending.

[SabreFan1]

I haven't heard a single analyst say that, although I havent heard any analysts talk about the Sabres recently. I think its wishful thinking (and then some) to think you will go from worst team in the league with massive gaping holes in most, if not all, positions, to contending, in only 3 years. Could easily be a Edmonton 2.0. I wouldnt say a 100 pt season equates to contending either. Canucks had over 100 points this season and werent even close to contending.

The Kings had less than 100 pts. a few years ago and barely squeaked into the playoffs and won it all. Once again, they call it a "second season" for a good reason.

If a team can make it to the third round, win or lose, they are contenders. St. Louis rocks hard during the regular season every year with 100+ points and then falls flat on their faces in the playoffs. They aren't contenders. As to the Canucks in this post-season, that was just disappointing. It's becoming obvious that the Canucks aren't a second season kind of team. Benning realizes that and as such is re-tooling on the fly.

Back around to the Sabres. I think that they will have the potential to make the 3rd round in 3 years. We'll know then if I'm wrong.

[Brocklovich]

The Kings had less than 100 pts. a few years ago and barely squeaked into the playoffs and won it all. Once again, they call it a "second season" for a good reason.

If a team can make it to the third round, win or lose, they are contenders. St. Louis rocks hard during the regular season every year with 100+ points and then falls flat on their faces in the playoffs. They aren't contenders. As to the Canucks in this post-season, that was just disappointing. It's becoming obvious that the Canucks aren't a second season kind of team. Benning realizes that and as such is re-tooling on the fly.

Back around to the Sabres. I think that they will have the potential to make the 3rd round in 3 years. We'll know then if I'm wrong.

If your thinking they make the 3rd round in 3 years, wouldn't making a move to get Lack make more sense? Not saying your wrong or over valuing Lack but I think adding him to either Edmonton or Buffalo makes them a little better.

I like the look of Buffalo they may surprise some people next year with a solid top 6 of Eichel, Kane, Ennis, Moulson & potentially Reinhardt. The D looks pretty shaky but if Bylsma has them playing an uptempo game they may overcome it a little bit I just think their goaltending is quite weak (Lindback, Johnson & Hackett)

[Nuxfanabroad]

Van sends: Tanev, Lack, Jared McCann, Ronalds Kenins(play with his buddy, Girgs), Carolina 3rd R pick.

BUFF: Grigorenko, 2015 #31st pick, Zach Bogosian.

PS-The Car 3rd was from dumping Vey.

[BI3KSA-]

The Kings had less than 100 pts. a few years ago and barely squeaked into the playoffs and won it all. Once again, they call it a "second season" for a good reason.

If a team can make it to the third round, win or lose, they are contenders. St. Louis rocks hard during the regular season every year with 100+ points and then falls flat on their faces in the playoffs. They aren't contenders. As to the Canucks in this post-season, that was just disappointing. It's becoming obvious that the Canucks aren't a second season kind of team. Benning realizes that and as such is re-tooling on the fly.

Back around to the Sabres. I think that they will have the potential to make the 3rd round in 3 years. We'll know then if I'm wrong.

Thats a massive outlier though. Generally speaking how well a team does in the regular season is a very good indication of how well they will do in the post season. Just looking at the statistics for teams lower than 1st-2nd winning a cup is evidence enough for that (only 7 times in the last 20 years has a team won the cup while not being 1st or 2nd, two being the Kings recently, lower seeds have an even lower chance). Regardless I think its pure speculation on the Sabres front, (not that there is anything wrong with speculation, this is a hockey forum and all), they could just as easily be an Edmonton as they could be a Pittsburgh, as far as how fast they become contenders, or if they become one at all.

[SabreFan1]

Thats a massive outlier though. Generally speaking how well a team does in the regular season is a very good indication of how well they will do in the post season. Just looking at the statistics for teams lower than 1st-2nd winning a cup is evidence enough for that (only 7 times in the last 20 years has a team won the cup while not being 1st or 2nd, two being the Kings recently, lower seeds have an even lower chance). Regardless I think its pure speculation on the Sabres front, (not that there is anything wrong with speculation, this is a hockey forum and all), they could just as easily be an Edmonton as they could be a Pittsburgh, as far as how fast they become contenders, or if they become one at all.

7 out of 20 is 35%. That's not insignificant.

Of course the Sabres could bomb. It's unlikely, but possible. I guarantee that if the Canucks switched prospect pools with the Sabres, all of CDC would crow all over the internet about how Vancouver would win multiple Stanley Cups. I'm not willing to say that it's a guarantee that the Sabres will, but I think that the journey will begin in earnest in about 3 years.

Personally I know very little about Bylsma (I've watched very few Penguins games over the years), but it's been reported time and again that he is very good with young emerging players. Murray is pretty good at staying out of a coaches way when it comes to personnel on the ice. He admitted that he didn't agree with a number of Nolan's call-ups, but it was his philosophy to always defer to the coach. For better or worse the Sabres' future is squarely in Bylsma's hands.

[lethunder]

If you're making a proposal to send a goalie to Buffalo wouldn't it make the most sense to center it around Demko? Use him to pry away a solid blue chip dman from their cupboard?

[ForsbergTheGreat]

I'm just going to find one of my many old posts about people wanting to trade Lack to Buffalo.

Short version: Anybody following Buffalo knows that they want to have a young core that will "grow up" together. Eddie Lack is 27 y.o. The Sabres are 3 years away from contending. That means that by the time that the Sabres are contenders, Lack will be 30 going on 31. At best he's on par with Miller as a slightly above average goalie. Three years from now Lack will be a merely adequate goalie whose skills are declining. Lack is not a fit for Buffalo.

The problem is you think Lack will be declining at 30. Lack is a late bloomer, He's just about to enter his prime at 27, he's got another good 5-8 years ahead of him.

If a team can shore up their goaltending issues for the next 5 years for a prospect (I don’t want Grigorenko) or for one of your 3 picks within the first 31st spots (I’m thinking the 31st overall) you do it. Young proven goalies don’t grow on trees (oilers went through 4 in the last 3 years) and there’s no guarantee that in 3 years when you feel your players are about to hit their prime that you’d be able to shore up a #1 goalie (at a reasonable cost).

Lack can certainly bail a young team out and in 4 years if think you need an upgrade, you now have another asset that can be used as trade value, now possibly worth more than the 2nd round pick you gave up for him in the first place.

[SabreFan1]

If you're making a proposal to send a goalie to Buffalo wouldn't it make the most sense to center it around Demko? Use him to pry away a solid blue chip dman from their cupboard?

My thoughts exactly.

[SabreFan1]

The problem is you think Lack will be declining at 30. Lack is a late bloomer, He's just about to enter his prime at 27, he's got another good 5-8 years ahead of him.

If a team can shore up their goaltending issues for the next 5 years for a prospect (I don’t want Grigorenko) or for one of your 3 picks within the first 31st spots (I’m thinking the 31st overall) you do it. Young proven goalies don’t grow on trees (oilers went through 4 in the last 3 years) and there’s no guarantee that in 3 years when you feel your players are about to hit their prime that you’d be able to shore up a #1 goalie (at a reasonable cost).

Lack can certainly bail a young team out and in 4 years if think you need an upgrade, you now have another asset that can be used as trade value, now possibly worth more than the 2nd round pick you gave up for him in the first place.

You're talking about a stop-gap goalie that gives any young goaltender in the organization more time to develop. I disagree with you about Lack and what he's worth, but I do understand your reasoning.

Like Lethunder said in his post, I'd like to see Murray offer up a good deal for both sides for Demko. The Sabres have good D prospects that are still in the minors and jr. leagues that can be traded to the Canucks along with a second round pick. Ristolainen and "I need a new alarm clock" Zadorov are NHL defenceman now and would be off the trade table.