Erik Karlsson Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Draft easy Benning should not be allowed to sign anyone, I don't think he really knows what he's doing in that department. Seriously though, Sbisa and Dorsett contracts are just terrible. In what world did Sbisa deserve that much of a raise? and 2.65 mill for a 4th line plug..... ah Millers is pretty bad as well... I bet if Hamhuis was a ufa, he'd probably offer him 6 mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I've said it many times before: the moves we see this offseason are going to define this new management group much more than the changes seen in their first year. I'm hoping that JB and company make the right decisions for the improvement of this team, both present and future, and that they can successfully chart the course back to contending for the Stanley Cup. Whatever happens this summer, I fully expect that by the time the 2015-16 season opens, we'll have a very definitive sense of what direction this team is headed in. Hoping for the best. The biggest question I have is what happens to Chris Higgins? I have been wanting him traded for years now. I respect the defensive side of his game but every time I see him in an interview I dislike him more and more. We know Baer will likely be top 6 so does that then leave us with Higgy in Bottom 6? Lets assume Kenins is back then do we have room on that LW for Higgy on the 3rd line? I think Higgy would add a ton of value on the 4th line but not sure if Kenins is ready and we got some talented prospects on the rise. What are your guys thoughts on the whole Higgins situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 (Thanks Radim). thank him at the deadline when we get 2 prospects and a 1st round pick for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just curious to see how cdc feels about draft vrs. Free agent frenzy day this year? Seems that in years past , free agent frenzy has taken the lead with nucks fans as the most exiting day of the year, hoping we sign the "biggest and baddest" fish. Seems to me that nucks fans are starting to realize( all NHL fans for that matter ) that the draft makes a much bigger impact on a teams future then signing an overpaid free agent. That being said , free agent signings can also make a fairly big impact , and gives fans that " instant gratification" they impulsively want. I would think most will say draft for this year given how deep the draft is , but the trend seems to change year to year. That and I think fans are realizing overpaid free agent signings are not nessesarily the most exiting hockey moves of the year anymore I also threw in " trade " to see what u guys think will make the biggest impact on our next big cup run So curious what u guys think about draft day this year and free agent frenzy? What are u looking forward To more , and what will bring us closer to a cup first ? draft.......mainly because it's about building the future, but also because it's like a summer deadline day for trades. The Canucks have had some pretty sweet draft day (or close to) deals in the last 10 years (give or take) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Draft easy Benning should not be allowed to sign anyone, I don't think he really knows what he's doing in that department. Seriously though, Sbisa and Dorsett contracts are just terrible. In what world did Sbisa deserve that much of a raise? and 2.65 mill for a 4th line plug..... ah Millers is pretty bad as well... I bet if Hamhuis was a ufa, he'd probably offer him 6 mill. uh, that's pretty much market value for Sbisa. Not sure what world you're living in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxieMan98 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Franson seems like the only decent defenceman out there, but he will command a high price due to an overall average crop of FA's. Mcquaid is tough, if we could get him cheap he may be able to replace Juice in that department, but we need a good puck mover and someone to work the powerplay. Sounds like Christiam Erhoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Definitely draft day. Not gonna waste a (normally) sunny day off in Canada Day waiting to see who gets signed and when! Besides, most teams don't let their key components reach FA but sign them beforehand, so we're watching extras get paid big bucks to under-perform (this has happened too much, so excluding guys like Vrbata, Hammer and Malhotra when we signed them, it's not worth the wait). At least the draft lets you see which premium talent teams will get, how they project and quite often big trades occur! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 It's depressing looking at our 2nd round pick history in the past decade. I hope Thatcher Demko is the start of a turnaround. In the past 10 years we've gotten 521 NHL games from second rounders. The majority of that is from Mason Raymond alone. 2006 no 2nd. 2007 Taylor Ellington (So much for a safe pick). 2008 Yann Sauve (8 NHL games) 2009 Anton Rodin (Bust) 2010 No 2nd rounder, basically one whole draft year wasted. 2011 No 2nd rounder. 2012 Alexandre Mallet 2013 No 2nd rounder 2014 Demko, and one of the most positive 2nd round picks since Raymond. 4 years no 2nd rounder, and the rest....ugh. Another thing that is depressing is that since Sauve, the Canucks haven't used a 1st OR a 2nd rounder on a D-man. That's just ludicrous. 2009 - Next two picks after Rodin were Eric Gelinas and Dmitri Orlov 2010 - Radko Gudas still on the board where our 2nd was 2011 - Ironically, the next D-man taken after where our 2nd would have been was Andrey Pedan 2012 - Next D-man taken after our 2nd (wasted on Mallett) was Damon Severson, who is fantastic 2013 - Too close to say who will pan out now, but immediately before our 2nd Washington got Madison Bowey Now, we obviously wouldn't have hit on all those guys, but if we used 2-3 2nds on D-men, and snagged just one of them, we'd be in much better shape right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I'm more worried about the draft than looking forward to it, so far. After our #23 pick, we have no second or third round choices (yet). I'm looking forward to seeing if Benning can dump salary and age to get picks. I'm not too excited about some of the trades he's made so far (Sbisa, Miller) and I need to see how Virtanen performs if he makes the big step to the NHL before passing judgement on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Would like to get more picks, but doubt we end up using them, and ultimately we'll end up with some prospects with so-so upside, but no matter what happens in that regard there will be the usuals saying how great they are. If we can clear either Bieksa or Miller off the books, I'm game for one of either Ehrhoff or McQuaid for +/- $3.5m if we can persuade them. Either immediately improve our D can fill the gap while our prospects develop. The alternative being a "hockey trade" likely involving a package of Lack + Bieksa + ??? for a young, top 4 D. That said, I'm interested to see the goalie situation sorted, whether they move Higgins, what they're going to do with the log jam of #5-10 D men... I think this summer we begin to really see the finger prints of Benning/Linden and the dircetion they plan to take the team. That likely mean a bit of an up or down "transition" year though. Things could go better than expected or their could be hiccups...... CDC should be prepared for that : :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The draft is where teams truly need to build, so the draft. I doubt we'll do much in free agency anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 It's depressing looking at our 2nd round pick history in the past decade. I hope Thatcher Demko is the start of a turnaround. In the past 10 years we've gotten 521 NHL games from second rounders. The majority of that is from Mason Raymond alone. 2006 no 2nd. 2007 Taylor Ellington (So much for a safe pick). 2008 Yann Sauve (8 NHL games) 2009 Anton Rodin (Bust) 2010 No 2nd rounder, basically one whole draft year wasted. 2011 No 2nd rounder. 2012 Alexandre Mallet 2013 No 2nd rounder 2014 Demko, and one of the most positive 2nd round picks since Raymond. 4 years no 2nd rounder, and the rest....ugh. had sauve not been hit by a car I think he might have been an NHL defenseman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I was excited last year for the draft because of our high pick. This year won't be as exciting with a 23rd pick. Free agency doesnt excite me because there's no one out there exciting to get and we have no cap space. What gets me excited is when we finally move out all our vets and play the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 thank him at the deadline when we get 2 prospects and a 1st round pick for him That would be a wet dream, but it's not likely. More like a prospect and a second rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 uh, that's pretty much market value for Sbisa. Not sure what world you're living in. Sbisa one is not as bad, but if he regresses next season, then that's a lot of money for a bottom pairing defenceman. I think Dorsett is way overpaid though, whether he's good for the young guys or not. I bet almost any 4th line plug could provide the same leadership as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 That would be a wet dream, but it's not likely. More like a prospect and a second rounder. -A few years ago jagr and Iginla each went for went for a 1st and 2 prospects -This year sekera went for a 1st and the second coming of christ (McKeown) -the Hawks traded their 1st and a prospect for vermette If he has another great season vrbata is a lot more valuable than any of those players. A 1st from a contender is a given, how much more is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Franson seems like the only decent defenceman out there, but he will command a high price due to an overall average crop of FA's. Mcquaid is tough, if we could get him cheap he may be able to replace Juice in that department, but we need a good puck mover and someone to work the powerplay. Why I like Adam McQuaid.....6'5", 209, 28 yrs old UFA who earned $1.8M last year....he's not a PMD but he is something the Canucks are sorely missing especially if Bieksa is moved. Just ask Bob Hartley. The Canucks will be bringing in 2 PMD's Corrado and Clendening. I think Franson will be getting more than Petry's $5.5. I really think that higher end guys are out of the picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman60 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 For me, the draft rates up there as one of the most exciting events of the year. If we can have another draft like the last 2 years, I will be elated. Signing a big UFA like we did last year (Vrbata) can have a huge impact next year but it won't win a SC for us. On the trade front, I am looking forward to some vets being traded for picks to make way for the prospects. As far as Eddie Lack, I hope that he is not the goalie that is moved for a pick but if it results in us getting a draft pick that can really help us get closer to putting together a SC contender, I'll take it. I attended the draft in Vancouver the year that the Canucks drafted Peter Nedved and Alex Stoyonov (sp). It was exciting to see Jagr etc walking around Vancouver (I wanted the Canucks to draft him instead of Nedved). Nedved was compared to Gretzky by scouts (boy were they ever wrong) but when I saw Jagr my immediate reaction was that the guy is huge. Stoyonov turned out ok because he was traded for Markus Naslund but Nedved was a bit of a bust. I hope that we get another NHL Draft in Vancouver again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman60 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Not excited for either. Late pick, no 2nd or 3rd. No cap space for any UFA. Pretty much, this is the team, will maybe sign a lightning in a bottle hopeful 3rd/4th line tweener and hope our kids are actually ready to take a spot. Benning might get a 3rd for Lack but with the other 29 GM's aware that he MUST trade a goalie or lose one, I don't see them lining up to offer him much more. Going to be very quiet for the Canucks. A 3rd round pick for an NHL ready goalie....are you kidding? There are a number of teams that need a starting goalie so it is not as if Benning has only one team to trade with. Lack is worth at least a high 2nd round pick and a quality prospect....minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 A 3rd round pick for an NHL ready goalie....are you kidding? There are a number of teams that need a starting goalie so it is not as if Benning has only one team to trade with. Lack is worth at least a high 2nd round pick and a quality prospect....minimum. There is a glut of NHL goalies on the market with few teams that need them. If you think anyone is giving up a 2nd and a prospect for a goalie that must be traded, you are out of your mind. Also factor in Lacks playoff performance and numbers and I can't see why anyone would pay that much for him, especially on his last year of his current contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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