fanfor42 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Burke delivered the two Sedins to Vancouver. We went to the cup final. Naslund and Bertuzzi gave the Canucks a good regular season team that had a shot in the playoffs before failing to capitalize. Linden and Bure made the 94 team a contender and almost a winner. It is becoming clear, through hindsight, that a team needs at least 2 superstars if it is going to win a cup. Chicago, Anaheim, LA, Pittsburgh, Colorado, New Jersey all had this. Carolina, Boston, Tampa maybe or maybe not the years they won. But they are the 3 exceptions in the past 15 years. Conclusion is the heavy majority of cup winners in the last 15 years have had at least 2 or 3 superstars. Maybe 2 or three teams have done it with a balanced roster featuring less stars. So what is Benning going for? Balanced roster and a good team that hangs around and almost gets there? Or should the Canucks be all out (tanking or fluking) for finding 2 superstars to be in the 80% group that wins a cup with at least 2 superstars. Sedins are going to retire in a few years. Our highest draft pick since then is Virtanen at 6. Then Horvat at 9. This looks like Carolina Boston or Tampa (pre Stamkos) not the others. So We may wind up with a good team but a cup contender - probably not. What would you do if you were Benning? Hope to get lucky in the draft or free agency? Settle for making the playoffs each year like Detroit but going nowhere? Or chase success by having some bad years and drafting high? This is the most important decision facing Benning. Hey it's summer...time to think about this stuff... if you were in his shoes, what would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 We had Sedins Kesler Erhoff Luongo Edler Hamhuis All having Superstar years and failed to get it done. I feel the team that wins the cup is 9 times out of 10 the healthier team. And we were definitely the hurt team. But we were the better team for sure What I would do. Keep trading and vets for 2nd and 3rd rounders. Hoping we get the next Subban or Bergeron in the 2nd round. I would build around Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen Shinkaruk-McCann-________ Gaunce-Cassels- Grenier ( best third line in the league if they all turn out the way they can ) #1 PMD(Drafted or traded for) - Tanev Tryamkin-Subban(?) Pedan-Clendening Markstrom Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 You never know how Horvat and Virtanen will turn out, they could easily be those guys. We just don't know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazmanian Devil Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 We have Sbisa and Matthias, so it's pretty obvious you need more than 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyHatnDart Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 We have Sbisa and Matthias, so it's pretty obvious you need more than 2. Pass it bro, don't hog the good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Having a winning atmosphere, despite not winning anything, turns AHLers and 4th liners into superstars, so we are GOLDEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Your title says you need two super stars to win a cup. Then you go on to list a bunch of players that never won the cup. Anyways we have Horvat and Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Settle for making the playoffs each year like Detroit but going nowhere? Do you mean like the Red Wings that won the Cup 4 times in 11 years? Sure, I would settle for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think this explanation is slightly flawed. You can make the case that every team in the NHL has at least 2 superstars. We had arguably the most stacked team in 2011, but had significant injuries, probably the most damaging one was Malhotra, who is not a superstar per se but does all the things you need to let your superstars play their game. This elevated the Canucks to the dominant team in the NHL, and had they been healthy would have easily walked to the cup. A lot of tankers think just because you have a high draft pick means they will get a superstar. You have to be bad at the right time, just ask the oilers when they picked first they got RNH and Yakupov, not exactly studs, while the Pens and Hawks got toews kane, crosby malkin. Tanking is a combination of timing and luck. My point is yes you need gamebreakers, but they need to be surrounded by players who can support them well. Malhotra could win every faceoff, was the best PK guy in the league by far and was a true character leader. Chicago in their cup runs always seems to have that 3rd or 4th line that comes up with huge goals, its not just Kane and Toews who score in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 you need a dynamic defencemen. OLD NHL Era= Superstar Centreman New NHL ERA= Superstar Defencemen. you think L.A and Chicago winning 5 of the last 6 cups depended on all star centremans? Sure Toews and Kopitar are great players, but without Keith and Doughty those teams are nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 who needs stars when you can have meat and potatoes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfollower1983 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 who needs stars when you can have meat and potatoes? I like meat and potatoes, they are a tasty combo, throw in some broccoli with a bit of gravy and that's a winning formula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzy Desjardins Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 You need a superstar dman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 you need a dynamic defencemen. OLD NHL Era= Superstar Centreman New NHL ERA= Superstar Defencemen. you think L.A and Chicago winning 5 of the last 6 cups depended on all star centremans? Sure Toews and Kopitar are great players, but without Keith and Doughty those teams are nothing. You're right, kind of. A team needs both. Always has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 You need a superstar mascot, last I checked Fin had to flip the bill @ the dinner table = loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKAHOLIC_9 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 we need the desire to win the cup as long as we have Europeans leading our army we will not win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 because europeans have less desire to win a cup, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 We had Sedins Kesler Erhoff Luongo Edler Hamhuis All having Superstar years and failed to get it done. I feel the team that wins the cup is 9 times out of 10 the healthier team. And we were definitely the hurt team. But we were the better team for sure What I would do. Keep trading and vets for 2nd and 3rd rounders. Hoping we get the next Subban or Bergeron in the 2nd round. I would build around Baertschi-Horvat-Virtanen Shinkaruk-McCann-________ Gaunce-Cassels- Grenier ( best third line in the league if they all turn out the way they can ) #1 PMD(Drafted or traded for) - Tanev Tryamkin-Subban(?) Pedan-Clendening Markstrom Demko This. We were masacred by injuries in the playoffs and Finals, while Boston was relatively healthy (and much healthier than us as well). I can't even remember a SCF team that had as many injuries as the 2011 Canucks. Chicago had one injury to their 3rd pairing d-man, while staying quite healthy otherwise. Tampa Bay had big njuries to key players such as Johnson, Kucherov, and Bishop. The Kings were practically healthy their two trips to the Finals. Quick was injured in 2012, but they had weak opponents, so they got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxieMan98 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Linden was not a superstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKAHOLIC_9 Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 because europeans have less desire to win a cup, lol.well where are they when it comes down to it? not giving it all thats for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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