WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Watching Chicago win the cup w. 4 Dmen makes me wonder how far off our Dcore is from competing. Where would you rank our top 3 Dmen as a group. Elder Tanev Hamhuis I think that is still a really solid top 3 and I'd rank them In the top 10 for sure. The good news for the Nux is its much much easier to fix the bottom 3 than it is to assemble a top 3 Where do the Canucks rank ? 1.Nashville ( Weber, Josi, Jones ) 2. Chicago ( Keith , Seabrook, Hjlmarsson) 3. NYR ( McDonough, Girrardi, Staal ) 4. CGY. ( Giordano, Brodie. Russel ) 30. ( Schultz , Ferrence, Nikytin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Edler's a solid #2 on a good team. Tanev and Hamhuis are solid #3 or # 4 guys on a good team. We're in serious need of some top end talent on our back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Edler's a solid #2 on a good team. Tanev and Hamhuis are solid #3 or # 4 guys on a good team. We're in serious need of some top end talent on our back end. #1 guys don't get traded. We will do what we've always done and that's defence by committee. Where does our Top 3 rank ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 #1 guys don't get traded. We will do what we've always done and that's defence by committee. Where does our Top 3 rank ?Top-20 and trending downward due to age, injuries and players leaving, and Tanev's improvement not countering that decline. Maybe not having a #1 has been a main reason why we haven't won a cup yet. Maybe it's time to change the 'defence by committee' approach if we have watched other teams win with #1's. But you're right, they don't get traded. So maybe we should use the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummin' Canuck Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I think these teams all have pretty nice top 3's as well:Anaheim (Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen)LA (Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez)Minnesota (Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon)Montreal (Subban, Markov, Petry)NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, Hamonic)ST Louis (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester)TBL (Hedman, Stralman, Garrison)I think Van falls out of the top 10 I think TOML might be right with the Top 20 & downward trajection evaluation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 1. NYR (McDonagh, Girardi, Yandle) 2. NSH 3. CHI 4. STL (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester) 5. WPG (Trouba, Byfuglien, Enstrom) 6. ANA (Lindholm, Vatanen, Wisniewski) 7. TBL (Hedman, Garrison, Stralman) 8. COL (Johnson, Hejda, Barrie) 9. MIN (Suter, Spurgeon, Scandella) 10. MTL (Subban, Markov, Emelin) 11. DET (Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey) 12. CGY 13. VAN (Edler, Tanev, Hamhuis) 14. LAK (Martinez, Doughty, Muzzin) 15. CBJ (Murray, Johnson, Tyutin) 16. NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, de Haan) 17. OTT (Karlsson, Methot, Phillips) 18. PIT (Letang, Maatta, Pouliot) 19. WSH (Carlson, Niskanen, Alzner) 20. TOR (Phaneuf, Rielly, Polak) 21. FLA (Kulikov, Ekblad, Gudbranson) 22. DAL (Goligoski, Daley, Benn) 23. SJS (Burns, Braun, Mueller) 24. BUF (Bogosian, Gorges, Ristolainen) 25. ARZ (OEL, Moore, Stone) 26. BOS (Seidenberg, Hamilton, Chara) 27. PHI (Streit, Schultz, Schenn) 28. CAR (Faulk, Hainsey, Liles) 29. NJD (Salvador, Larsson, Gelinas) 30. EDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 I think these teams all have pretty nice top 3's as well: Anaheim (Fowler, Lindholm, Vatanen) LA (Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez) Minnesota (Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon) Montreal (Subban, Markov, Petry) NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, Hamonic) ST Louis (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester) TBL (Hedman, Stralman, Garrison) I think Van falls out of the top 10 I think TOML might be right with the Top 20 & downward trajection evaluation Definitely disagree, tho we dint have a legit #1 I Still think our Top 3 is on the 8-15 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 1. NYR (McDonagh, Girardi, Yandle) 2. NSH 3. CHI 4. STL (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester) 5. WPG (Trouba, Byfuglien, Enstrom) 6. ANA (Lindholm, Vatanen, Wisniewski) 7. TBL (Hedman, Garrison, Stralman) 8. COL (Johnson, Hejda, Barrie) 9. MIN (Suter, Spurgeon, Scandella) 10. MTL (Subban, Markov, Emelin) 11. DET (Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey) 12. CGY13. VAN (Edler, Tanev, Hamhuis) 14. LAK (Martinez, Doughty, Muzzin) 15. CBJ (Murray, Johnson, Tyutin) 16. NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, de Haan) 17. OTT (Karlsson, Methot, Phillips) 18. PIT (Letang, Maatta, Pouliot) 19. WSH (Carlson, Niskanen, Alzner) 20. TOR (Phaneuf, Rielly, Polak) 21. FLA (Kulikov, Ekblad, Gudbranson) 22. DAL (Goligoski, Daley, Benn) 23. SJS (Burns, Braun, Mueller) 24. BUF (Bogosian, Gorges, Ristolainen) 25. ARZ (OEL, Moore, Stone) 26. BOS (Seidenberg, Hamilton, Chara) 27. PHI (Streit, Schultz, Schenn) 28. CAR (Faulk, Hainsey, Liles) 29. NJD (Salvador, Larsson, Gelinas) 30. EDM Wisniewski shouldn't be in Anaheims top 3 considering he got benched in the playoffs despite being healthy. I'd put Florida and Cgy a bit higher and I'd put Detroit and Colorado out of top 15 otherwise I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 #1 guys don't get traded. We will do what we've always done and that's defence by committee. Where does our Top 3 rank ? Did I say we should trade for one? Defense by committee is great if you have the personnel for it. For that, you need at least two, if not three #2 guys IMO. We don't have anything close to that in the NHL and our current prospect group is a long shot to have any of them, let alone a coupl, be #2 guys in their prime. The D needs major work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 You said our D needs top end talent in which I replied #1 dmen don't get traded which is why we're doing Defence by committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 1. NYR (McDonagh, Girardi, Yandle) 2. NSH 3. CHI 4. STL (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester) 5. WPG (Trouba, Byfuglien, Enstrom) 6. ANA (Lindholm, Vatanen, Wisniewski) 7. TBL (Hedman, Garrison, Stralman) 8. COL (Johnson, Hejda, Barrie) 9. MIN (Suter, Spurgeon, Scandella) 10. MTL (Subban, Markov, Emelin) 11. DET (Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey) 12. CGY 13. VAN (Edler, Tanev, Hamhuis) 14. LAK (Martinez, Doughty, Muzzin) 15. CBJ (Murray, Johnson, Tyutin) 16. NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, de Haan) 17. OTT (Karlsson, Methot, Phillips) 18. PIT (Letang, Maatta, Pouliot) 19. WSH (Carlson, Niskanen, Alzner) 20. TOR (Phaneuf, Rielly, Polak) 21. FLA (Kulikov, Ekblad, Gudbranson)Campbell 22. DAL (Goligoski, Daley, Benn) 23. SJS (Burns, Braun, Mueller) 24. BUF (Bogosian, Gorges, Ristolainen) 25. ARZ (OEL, Moore, Stone) 26. BOS (Seidenberg, Hamilton, Chara) 27. PHI (Streit, Schultz, Schenn) 28. CAR (Faulk, Hainsey, Liles) 29. NJD (Salvador, Larsson, Gelinas) 30. EDM oh please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 oh please. He said top 3. If we were going by #1 Dman, the order of that chart would be a fair bit different down the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Chara is done ! He is skating on mud the last few yrs. Boston's defence is a shell of its former self. Krug- Chara Hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 You said our D needs top end talent in which I replied #1 dmen don't get traded which is why we're doing Defence by committee #2 guys IMO are still pretty "top end talent". No one said anything about trading for #1 guys but you. And I'm telling you, we don't have the personnel, either NHL or prospect, to do "by committee" at anything resembling top 10 in the league level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHawk Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 You said our D needs top end talent in which I replied #1 dmen don't get traded which is why we're doing Defence by committee You move up in the draft to get a legit #1 Dman not hope to get one at #23. Canucks haven't had the makings since Luc Bourdon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 quote name="thejazz97" post="12825756" timestamp="1434735842"] 1. NYR (McDonagh, Girardi, Yandle) 2. NSH 3. CHI 4. STL (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester) 5. WPG (Trouba, Byfuglien, Enstrom) 6. ANA (Lindholm, Vatanen, Wisniewski) 7. TBL (Hedman, Garrison, Stralman) 8. COL (Johnson, Hejda, Barrie) 9. MIN (Suter, Spurgeon, Scandella) 10. MTL (Subban, Markov, Emelin) 11. DET (Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey) 12. CGY13. VAN (Edler, Tanev, Hamhuis) 14. LAK (Martinez, Doughty, Muzzin) 15. CBJ (Murray, Johnson, Tyutin) 16. NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, de Haan) 17. OTT (Karlsson, Methot, Phillips) 18. PIT (Letang, Maatta, Pouliot) 19. WSH (Carlson, Niskanen, Alzner) 20. TOR (Phaneuf, Rielly, Polak) 21. FLA (Kulikov, Ekblad, Gudbranson) 22. DAL (Goligoski, Daley, Benn) 23. SJS (Burns, Braun, Mueller) 24. BUF (Bogosian, Gorges, Ristolainen) 25. ARZ (OEL, Moore, Stone) 26. BOS (Seidenberg, Hamilton, Chara) 27. PHI (Streit, Schultz, Schenn) 28. CAR (Faulk, Hainsey, Liles) 29. NJD (Salvador, Larsson, Gelinas) 30. EDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuporbust Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Edler's a solid #2 on a good team. Tanev and Hamhuis are solid #3 or # 4 guys on a good team. We're in serious need of some top end talent on our back end. Edler and Tanev are #2 I would say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 1. NYR (McDonagh, Girardi, Yandle) 2. NSH 3. CHI 4. STL (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester) 5. WPG (Trouba, Byfuglien, Enstrom) 6. ANA (Lindholm, Vatanen, Wisniewski) 7. TBL (Hedman, Garrison, Stralman) 8. COL (Johnson, Hejda, Barrie) 9. MIN (Suter, Spurgeon, Scandella) 10. MTL (Subban, Markov, Emelin) 11. DET (Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey) 12. CGY 13. VAN (Edler, Tanev, Hamhuis) 14. LAK (Martinez, Doughty, Muzzin) 15. CBJ (Murray, Johnson, Tyutin) 16. NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, de Haan) 17. OTT (Karlsson, Methot, Phillips) 18. PIT (Letang, Maatta, Pouliot) 19. WSH (Carlson, Niskanen, Alzner) 20. TOR (Phaneuf, Rielly, Polak) 21. FLA (Kulikov, Ekblad, Gudbranson) 22. DAL (Goligoski, Daley, Benn) 23. SJS (Burns, Braun, Mueller) 24. BUF (Bogosian, Gorges, Ristolainen) 25. ARZ (OEL, Moore, Stone) 26. BOS (Seidenberg, Hamilton, Chara) 27. PHI (Streit, Schultz, Schenn) 28. CAR (Faulk, Hainsey, Liles) 29. NJD (Salvador, Larsson, Gelinas) 30. EDM 23. SJS (Burns, Braun, Mueller) Marc-Édouard Vlasic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Edler and Tanev are #2 I would say Tanev lacks the size, grit and/or offense to be a #2 on a good team. He thinks the game well (in his own zone), makes a nice first pass, blocks a lot of shots etc but on a good team he's a #3. On a REALLY good team, he's a #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I would take a legit #1 dman plus two relatively average dmen over a trio of top 2-4 dmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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