jdatb Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Bottom 3 in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yikes its pretty interesting how under rated our Top 3 are to our own fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Yikes its pretty interesting how under rated our Top 3 are to our own fans. Or interesting how most everyone is realistic about the quality of the Canucks top three and you seriously overrate them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 Or interesting how most everyone is realistic about the quality of the Canucks top three and you seriously overrate them It's nothing new w. Van fans and the toxic negativity that plagues our fan base. And over rate ? I said ours is top 8-15. 2 of those 3 are Olympians for power nation teams ( Canada Hamhuis, Edler Sweden) Tanev is no slouch at 3. I'd take our Top 3 over : Edmonton Arizona Buffalo Toronto New Jersey Carolina Colorado Philly Columbus Dallas Pittsburgh Washington Detroit This puts us in the 15 range. After that it can be a toss up between 8-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 You move up in the draft to get a legit #1 Dman not hope to get one at #23. Canucks haven't had the makings since Luc Bourdon! Karlsson: 15th PK Subban: 43rd Giordano: undrafted Letang: 62nd Hedman: 2nd Shea Weber: 49th Duncan Keith: 54th Should I keep on going? Star defensemen are notorious for popping up all over the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 ... Alex Edler: 91st Yes Edler is a great defenseman, as much as this fan base under values him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 It's nothing new w. Van fans and the toxic negativity that plagues our fan base. And over rate ? I said ours is top 8-15. 2 of those 3 are Olympians for power nation teams ( Canada Hamhuis, Edler Sweden) Tanev is no slouch at 3. I'd take our Top 3 over : Edmonton Arizona Buffalo Toronto New Jersey Carolina Colorado Philly Columbus Dallas Pittsburgh Washington Detroit This puts us in the 15 range. After that it can be a toss up between 8-15. 15th +/- is arguably pretty close. That said, 15th is not much to write home about particularly with one of our top 3 on the wrong side of his prime and on an expiring contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 True #1s and #2s log huge minutes when it matters...Canuck's D are lacking when it comes to the "matter" factor. #1 and #2 are you're "go to" guys...I don't think Canucks have one of those...like Keith and Seabrook, Hedman and Stralman, Gio and Wideman or Russell, Doughty, Muzzin, Subban, Markov. Yeah, Calgary has a good D. It's quality that matters and the high end guys have a lot of quality. Canucks D do not have this quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Top 15 is two spots from being out of the playoffs...this is where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Top 15 is two spots from being out of the playoffs...this is where we are. Exactly. But that's apparently underrating our D..particularly with our 32 year old Canadian Olympian likely to be gone by this time next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share Posted June 19, 2015 How is it over rating when I say we are 8-15. Teams like Boston and San Jose weren't mentioned there but Van can make a case for having a better top 3 that those 2 teams. 8-15 range like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 How is it over rating when I say we are 8-15. Teams like Boston and San Jose weren't mentioned there but Van can make a case for having a better top 3 that those 2 teams. 8-15 range like I said. 8 is generous, 15 is +/- is probably more accurate. And again 1/3 of our top 3 is due to be gone by this time next year. Or one year further down the wrong side of the mountain if we do retain him, with Edler at the top looking down that same mountainside. The picture is not currently terribly rosy heading forward there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 IMO it's our committee that lacks. I thought the Edler/Tanev was the only stable thing about our defence in the playoffs. Our other 2 pairings were hit or miss with how the team defence lacked during that series against Calgary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Karlsson: 15th PK Subban: 43rd Giordano: undrafted Letang: 62nd Hedman: 2nd Shea Weber: 49th Duncan Keith: 54th Should I keep on going? Star defensemen are notorious for popping up all over the draft. Absolutely agree.....and Defence usually take ages to develop fully unless you are a freak of nature and come out of the draft like a Karlsson or Hedman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Absolutely agree.....and Defence usually take ages to develop fully unless you are a freak of nature and come out of the draft like a Karlsson or Hedman. There was a lot of people calling Hedman a bust for his first year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Absolutely agree.....and Defence usually take ages to develop fully unless you are a freak of nature and come out of the draft like a Karlsson or Hedman.I don't think this applies anymore, unless by the third season after the draft counts as ages. Maybe fourth. But I think a good chunk of the true greats start in the NHL immediately after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 How is it over rating when I say we are 8-15. Teams like Boston and San Jose weren't mentioned there but Van can make a case for having a better top 3 that those 2 teams. 8-15 range like I said. Boston has Chara, Hamilton, Siendberg and Vlasic how on earth do people think are D is better than theirs? SJ has Burns and Vlasic which is a better duo than Edler/Tanev but their bottom guys are comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Day Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 That's top secret information: we really should keep an eye out for spies and suspicious activity.. Sbisa Stanton Biega Catch ya later gremlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Tanev, Edler, Hammer are slightly above average d-men. Slightly above average doesnt get you anywhere, since neither of these guys can play 30+ minutes, work the power play, or be a true quarterback in puck moving. Today's NHL is proving you need one of these type of players in order to win. Tanev is the best defensively, Edler shows flashes once every 20 games, and Hammer has lost a step and isnt the player he once was. Slightly above average can get you in the playoffs, but not past the punishment of the 2nd round in a tough western conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Edler's a solid #2 on a good team. Tanev and Hamhuis are solid #3 or # 4 guys on a good team. We're in serious need of some top end talent on our back end. Have to agree with this. I think any team would be happy with Tanev or Hammer at #3 and Edler at #1. So all we need is Norris candidate to head up the list and we are in good shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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