aGENT Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Maybe you & I have a different definition of what "great" is then. But, the reality is that Edler is PAID like a #1 and is expected to PLAY like one. THAT'S why he's on the 'Nucks #1 pairing. As far as I'm concerned, both he & Tanev are "#1's" by default and have no business being described by anyone as "great". #1D make $7m and up. Edler makes $5m. So not paid like one. Edler / Tanev play first pairing due to a lack of better options, not because they're #1 or #2 D's. Edler is a great #2, Tanev is a good #3 or #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestlockWarrior Posted June 21, 2015 Author Share Posted June 21, 2015 That's just two statistics out of so much more... Byron Bitz used to play on the top line ahead of Kesler and Burrows, must mean he's better than Kesler and Burrows, right? Until Byron bitz makes the Olympics for Team Canada and Sweden please refrain from using him In a same sentence as Hamhuis and Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Until Byron bitz makes the Olympics for Team Canada and Sweden please refrain from using him In a same sentence as Hamhuis and Edler. Lol funny thing is I didn't.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I think you've got Calgary quite high, but the thing that all of those teams have is a guy that can play 30 mins a night no problem. I like our 3 guys, but we don't have that guy that can stay out there forever and do everything. Not many teams win a cup without one. That's because he was paired with Weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Bagues Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 l00% agree with that part. Although when you look back at the majority of middle and top tier D men they showed great potential early but had to really hone their game at the NHL level especially offensively. D men are asked to do so much more in the modern day game that I think regardless of skill level there is still a big learning curve. Keith took about 5 years to show up. Hedman is just rounding in to form - about 5 years. Doughty stepped in right away, but for the most part defense takes 4-5 years to develop. Moral of the story we're in for a long-long waiting period for an improved d-core; especially for that special #1/1a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Bagues Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Karlsson: 15th PK Subban: 43rd Giordano: undrafted Letang: 62nd Hedman: 2nd Shea Weber: 49th Duncan Keith: 54th Should I keep on going? Star defensemen are notorious for popping up all over the draft. Lidstrom - #53, etc.... As for where our defense stands; I'd say it's around middle of the pack, plus or minus a couple standard deviations. I'm just happy the situation with our defense is getting a lot of attention; hopefully the brass is equally concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 1. NYR (McDonagh, Girardi, Yandle) 2. NSH 3. CHI 4. STL (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester) 5. WPG (Trouba, Byfuglien, Enstrom) 6. ANA (Lindholm, Vatanen, Wisniewski) 7. TBL (Hedman, Garrison, Stralman) 8. COL (Johnson, Hejda, Barrie) 9. MIN (Suter, Spurgeon, Scandella) 10. MTL (Subban, Markov, Emelin) 11. DET (Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey) 12. CGY13. VAN (Edler, Tanev, Hamhuis) 14. LAK (Martinez, Doughty, Muzzin) 15. CBJ (Murray, Johnson, Tyutin) 16. NYI (Boychuk, Leddy, de Haan) 17. OTT (Karlsson, Methot, Phillips) 18. PIT (Letang, Maatta, Pouliot) 19. WSH (Carlson, Niskanen, Alzner) 20. TOR (Phaneuf, Rielly, Polak) 21. FLA (Kulikov, Ekblad, Gudbranson) 22. DAL (Goligoski, Daley, Benn) 23. SJS (Burns, Braun, Mueller) 24. BUF (Bogosian, Gorges, Ristolainen) 25. ARZ (OEL, Moore, Stone) 26. BOS (Seidenberg, Hamilton, Chara) 27. PHI (Streit, Schultz, Schenn) 28. CAR (Faulk, Hainsey, Liles) 29. NJD (Salvador, Larsson, Gelinas) 30. EDM Wow...you clearly haven't watched many of these teams play, seeing that you got many of their top 3s wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Keith took about 5 years to show up. Hedman is just rounding in to form - about 5 years. Doughty stepped in right away, but for the most part defense takes 4-5 years to develop. Moral of the story we're in for a long-long waiting period for an improved d-core; especially for that special #1/1a guy. Unless we can make some serious moves for one I totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakename70 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 #1D make $7m and up. Edler makes $5m. So not paid like one. Edler / Tanev play first pairing due to a lack of better options, not because they're #1 or #2 D's. Edler is a great #2, Tanev is a good #3 or #4. On THIS team, he is paid as a #1 and makes more in salary than any other defenceman. Did I really need to explain that? And, you basically echoed what I said regarding the "#1" pairing of Edler/Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 On THIS team, he is paid as a #1 and makes more in salary than any other defenceman. Did I really need to explain that? And, you basically echoed what I said regarding the "#1" pairing of Edler/Tanev. No, he's paid like the #2 he is. His team and his team mates relative salaries have little bearing on this. No, you're echoing what I said but stating it incorrectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 20th ???? Which of these 2 teams top 3 dmen do u prefer to put the Canucks on the 20th spot. Edmonton Carolina Toronto Arizona Colorado Dallas Philadelphia Buffalo New Jersey Columbus Detroit Detroit for sure and arguably Colorado and Arizona at least they have top minutes powerplay QB's in Barrie and OEL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snucks Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Garrison wasn't great here but was great in the cup final. The coaching is a big part of good D but I "Bone Us" wasn't great for Vancouver, but in Tampa they have a great head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Middle of the pack and trending downwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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