aGENT Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 After 107 votes it seems pretty obvious, people want us to take Kylington and do not want us to take Carlo. I'm sure that is very disappoint to one or two vocal "arm chair" scouts, not to name any names. Yeah but last year "the people" evidently wanted Ritchie sooooo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Assassin Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Voted 1. Kylington 2. J. Roy 3. Other (Rasmus Andersson) Did not want Bittner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted June 25, 2015 Author Share Posted June 25, 2015 Have to say I'm a little surprised by all the love Kylington is getting. From what I've seen of him, all he has is his skating and his offensive instincts. Pretty bad in his own zone though. You would think people would want a dman who can play defense. I guess people want to believe he'll turn it around and become the guy who was once in top 5 discussion. I guess I would just rather take a riser than a faller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Have to say I'm a little surprised by all the love Kylington is getting. From what I've seen of him, all he has is his skating and his offensive instincts. Pretty bad in his own zone though. You would think people would want a dman who can play defense. I guess people want to believe he'll turn it around and become the guy who was once in top 5 discussion. I guess I would just rather take a riser than a faller. He must be good enough at defense to create turnovers and move the puck up the ice. Essentially if a player is playing offense all the time he is very good at defense (the best defense is being 100 feet away in the offensive zone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 After 107 votes it seems pretty obvious, people want us to take Kylington and do not want us to take Carlo. I'm sure that is very disappoint to one or two vocal "arm chair" scouts, not to name any names. Haven't seen a single person who wants Carlo, even though some have expressed doubts over taking Kylington. Straw man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Chabot Eriksson Ek Roy Kylington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 He must be good enough at defense to create turnovers and move the puck up the ice. Essentially if a player is playing offense all the time he is very good at defense (the best defense is being 100 feet away in the offensive zone). I'm confused as to what you are saying. I didn't say he was playing offense all the time. What I meant to say was that he plays well when he's in offensive zone but he still hasn't learned to play in the defensive end. I just don't think his game will translate to the NHL. Maybe he can become a #5-6 PP specialist but other than that I don't see it. Time will tell, and if the Canucks do take him then I hope I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 So far, the do not want results are: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Haven't seen a single person who wants Carlo, even though some have expressed doubts over taking Kylington. Straw man? Well we know there are at least three. Perhaps they have went into a bit of a shell after these results. I'm confused as to what you are saying. I didn't say he was playing offense all the time. What I meant to say was that he plays well when he's in offensive zone but he still hasn't learned to play in the defensive end. I just don't think his game will translate to the NHL. Maybe he can become a #5-6 PP specialist but other than that I don't see it. Time will tell, and if the Canucks do take him then I hope I am wrong. From my perspective, I look at a guy like Kylington as a non-PK offensive defenceman. For him to play good defense, it means advancing the puck and keeping it in the offensive zone. Think Karlsson by some measures he is a great defensive defender because when he is on the ice the puck is more often in the offensive zone. I see the same style with Kylington. He probably won't be a great "in-own-zone" defender which ones looks for in a PK D-man but his offense is his defence 5v5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Well we know there are at least three. Perhaps they have went into a bit of a shell after these results. From my perspective, I look at a guy like Kylington as a non-PK offensive defenceman. For him to play good defense, it means advancing the puck and keeping it in the offensive zone. Think Karlsson by some measures he is a great defensive defender because when he is on the ice the puck is more often in the offensive zone. I see the same style with Kylington. He probably won't be a great "in-own-zone" defender which ones looks for in a PK D-man but his offense is his defence 5v5. Okay, I see what you're saying now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 After 120 votes so far, the cdc consensus results: Hopefully we can get more votes in by tomorrow morning (there were about 250 last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesy_shoes Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I only looked at d-men. I like Brandon Carlo at 23. Out of the offensive D-men that I viewed, it looks only like Dunn has a chance of being an NHLer. Dunn got my second vote. With him, it looks like strength will be an issue. I'd wait for a higher draft pick to draft a player like Dunn, there's a lot of risk with him because he's not really undersized, but he struggles in front of the net and on the boards. We will have higher picks in the years to come. The rest of the d-men i watched are d-zone floaters, look totally lost, little structure. Carlo because he could be a big minute d-man. Every team needs a rock back there, and he's a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 lol, that's a pretty good idea. I'll put it in. Great work OP. +1 from me. I found the results very interesting. Last year the favorites were pretty easy. I had Nylander, Virtanen, and Ehlers at 1, 2 and 3 and most people had something similar, with Ritchie also figuring in the mix. This year things are all over the map. I admit I am surprised to see Kylington as the favorite. He was projected as top 10 at the start of the year but dropped into the 20s by the end of the season. That is a huge red flag as performance in the draft year is a much better predictor of potential than performance in the draft -1 year. Roy and Juulsen are also popular choices. So the CDC consensus favors a D at #23, which is not surprising. Bittner and Carlo have the most negative votes. What they have in common is that they are big, American, and viewed by many as over-rated because of their size. Carlo in particular seems to project as a 3rd pairing, stay-at-home D at the NHL level so it is natural that people do not want to waste a #23 on him. I personally am going with the BBCPA -- the best BC players available, and that means Harkins and Juulsen. I would be really happy if the Canucks get both, which is possible (assuming we get a high second rounder for Eddie Lack). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandre Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I only looked at d-men. I like Brandon Carlo at 23. Out of the offensive D-men that I viewed, it looks only like Dunn has a chance of being an NHLer. Dunn got my second vote. With him, it looks like strength will be an issue. I'd wait for a higher draft pick to draft a player like Dunn, there's a lot of risk with him because he's not really undersized, but he struggles in front of the net and on the boards. We will have higher picks in the years to come. The rest of the d-men i watched are d-zone floaters, look totally lost, little structure. Carlo because he could be a big minute d-man. Every team needs a rock back there, and he's a good one. I don't know. I really like Dunn. It is true what you say about him but I think there is very little risk in him. I think he will have an excellent NHL career. I love his compete level. When you combine that characteristic with his skating and skill level you have something special that doesn't come around very often. Everything else can be worked on if you have the drive like he has. He would be a steal late first early second round. Hmmmm...... second rounder like a Duncan Keith. I wouldn't be disappointed with Carlo but I think there will be better players at 23 for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnish Aho Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I don't think we should take a D-Man in the first round (as long as Jim Benning can make a few trades) there are plenty in the 2nd round that don't seem to be much less valuable of a prospect than some of the ones in the late first... Parker Wotherspoon Vince Dunn Nicholas Meloche Noah Juulsen Loik Leveille Jacob Larsson Gabrielle Carlsson Jonas Siegenthaler and Sami Niku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Where's all the Sprong love guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Great job OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnish Aho Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 My one, two, three at 23OA would have to be a Top6 forward (preferably a winger) 1: Denis Guryanov (RW) A do it all kind of player. Loves to shoot. Has a great shot. May need to work on explosiveness. Uses body positioning to protect the puck well. Makes a conscious effort to back-check and plays well in all 3 zones. 1st line ceiling. Quick Speed and Lovely Hands <3 Why I pick this guy, I think when it comes to Canucks drafting this year there is a checklist, and on that checklist includes the need for game breaking D, and secondly 1st line potential wingers. Denis Guryanov fits the bill when it comes to BPA, Canucks current needs, Meat & Potatoes style, which Jim Benning likes.... 2: Joel Eriksson Ek © A goal scoring center who will probably see a bit more assists and less goals at the pro level. Also plays an intelligent 200-ft game. Offensive catalyst and clutch scorer. I know I know, another center in the 1st round? This center is different, Joel Eriksson Ek has 1st line potential but most likely 2nd line. A 1-2 punch of Eriksson-Ek and Horvat would be a treat and would let us develop McCann into a winger.... 3: Brock Boeser (RW) Also a right winger with potential to be a 1st line player is a Patrick Sharp-lite and makes great offensive transitions, has great puck handling ability and may need to work on a few small things like board play, may need some AHL time which is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnish Aho Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 if Guryanov/Boeser: Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Shinkaruk - McCann - Guryanov/Boeser if Eriksson-Ek: Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Shinkaruk - Eriksson-Ek - McCann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 After 120 votes so far, the cdc consensus results: Hopefully we can get more votes in by tomorrow morning (there were about 250 last year) Last years draft drew huge interest due to it being a critical draft for Vancouver, because it was the highest pick since the Sedins. It got a lot of good attention. I'm a little surprised Juulsen got so many votes. I understand last year Ehlers and Nylander getting a lot of votes. Kids a mid 2nd rounder do we seriously want to waste a pick on a kid, just because he's a huge Canucks fan? unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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