Kootenay Gold Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 It is that passion for the game and his grit that just might land him on the team at the start of the season. I thought he showed promise centering a line with Virtanen and Leipsic towards the end of last year and hope he can improve upon that this year given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Gagner and Erickson only had 10 goals each last year. I bet Dahlen and Gaudette could beat that easy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Gagner and Erickson only had 10 goals each last year. I bet Dahlen and Gaudette could beat that easy. and that might be relevant if that was the most important measure of performance, but it's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, tas said: and that might be relevant if that was the most important measure of performance, but it's not. so another 10 goals each is good enough to keep them in the line up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: so another 10 goals each is good enough to keep them in the line up? Both Gags and Eriksson add leadership and Eriksson is one of our top defensive forwards. Additionally, both of them missed a fair bit of games (Gagner missed 8 games and Eriksson missed a whopping 32 games) so it's fair to assume that they would both have had more than 10 goals in 82 games, which is presumably what you're basing your projections for Dahlen and Gaudette. Finally, you're ignoring the value of assists, which Gagner had more than twice the amount of his goals. I'm not saying Gaudette and Dahlen should or shouldn't make the team, but basing it solely off goals scored in a season is extraordinarily simplistic and ignores a plethora of other factors. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: Both Gags and Eriksson add leadership and Eriksson is one of our top defensive forwards. Additionally, both of them missed a fair bit of games (Gagner missed 8 games and Eriksson missed a whopping 32 games) so it's fair to assume that they would both have had more than 10 goals in 82 games, which is presumably what you're basing your projections for Dahlen and Gaudette. Finally, you're ignoring the value of assists, which Gagner had more than twice the amount of his goals. I'm not saying Gaudette and Dahlen should or shouldn't make the team, but basing it solely off goals scored in a season is extraordinarily simplistic and ignores a plethora of other factors. We have better defensive forwards than Erickson now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Gagner and Erickson only had 10 goals each last year. I bet Dahlen and Gaudette could beat that easy. Yep not only do I think they could match goal production but exceed in many other areas including effort level. How much leadership does this team really need. We already have sutter beagle, gudbranson, horvat, elder, Roussel, tanev.? eriksson is a bit better in the d zone but it wouldn’t take much for gaudette and dahlen to be an improvement off gagner. Gagner isn’t particularly strong in the faceoff dot. With sutter and beagle isn’t not like we need Sam for his 47% I guess my question would be what tangible asset does gagner bring that we don’t think gaudette could at the minimum match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yep not only do I think they could match goal production but exceed in many other areas including effort level. How much leadership does this team really need. We already have sutter beagle, gudbranson, horvat, elder, Roussel, tanev.? eriksson is a bit better in the d zone but it wouldn’t take much for gaudette and dahlen to be an improvement off gagner. Gagner isn’t particularly strong in the faceoff dot. With sutter and beagle isn’t not like we need Sam for his 47% I guess my question would be what tangible asset does gagner bring that we don’t think gaudette could at the minimum match. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 56 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: so another 10 goals each is good enough to keep them in the line up? depends how many goals get scored against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Are Gagner and Gaudette even in competition for a spot? Why is this a thing? I mean if Gagner isn't waived/traded I have him penciled in as 13th/14th F at this point. Is that where people want Gaudette? If anything I'd say Granlund better watch his back with Gaudette coming up behind him. Far more similar skill sets/2 way ability/ability to play up and down the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Are Gagner and Gaudette even in competition for a spot? Why is this a thing? I mean if Gagner isn't waived/traded I have him penciled in as 13th/14th F at this point. Is that where people want Gaudette? If anything I'd say Granlund better watch his back with Gaudette coming up behind him. Far more similar skill sets/2 way ability/ability to play up and down the lineup. I was disappointed in Gagner's play this past season and I think Gaudette; while still a bit rough around the edges, brings a more complete game to the table. His work ethic and determination are miles beyond that of Gagner. If it were up to me (which it is not) I would keep Gaudette on the team and be looking to move Gagner. Argument could be made of his leadership value but as someone had previously stated on this thread, we have other leaders such as Beagle, Sutter and Horvat that already have that quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: I was disappointed in Gagner's play this past season and I think Gaudette; while still a bit rough around the edges, brings a more complete game to the table. His work ethic and determination are miles beyond that of Gagner. If it were up to me (which it is not) I would keep Gaudette on the team and be looking to move Gagner. Argument could be made of his leadership value but as someone had previously stated on this thread, we have other leaders such as Beagle, Sutter and Horvat that already have that quality. 16 minutes ago, aGENT said: Are Gagner and Gaudette even in competition for a spot? Why is this a thing? I mean if Gagner isn't waived/traded I have him penciled in as 13th/14th F at this point. Is that where people want Gaudette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I guess my question would be what tangible asset does gagner bring that we don’t think gaudette could at the minimum match. Angst and frustration, as well as puerile nicknames, here on CDC if those are considered assets (based upon posting styles, many seemingly feel that is the case). As a "whipping boy" and "target for abuse", which are both tangible and existential, Gagner plays a key role on CDC. Gaudette cannot possibly fill that void given his work ethic and progress to date in his young professional career. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: Are Gagner and Gaudette even in competition for a spot? Why is this a thing? I mean if Gagner isn't waived/traded I have him penciled in as 13th/14th F at this point. Is that where people want Gaudette? Beacuse where you have him pencilled in doesn’t mean thats where others believe he will slot in. for example I don’t see Elias starting the year off as center which means there’s only 2 other capable centers competing for the 3/4c spot. Sam Gagner and Adam Gaudette. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Angst and frustration, as well as puerile nicknames, here on CDC if those are considered assets (based upon posting styles, many seemingly feel that is the case). As a "whipping boy" and "target for abuse", which are both tangible and existential, Gagner plays a key role on CDC. Gaudette cannot possibly fill that void given his work ethic and progress to date in his young professional career. Didn’t know CDC provided a tangible on ice benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Beacuse where you have him pencilled in doesn’t mean thats where others believe he will slot in. for example I don’t see Elias starting the year off as center which means there’s only 2 other capable centers competing for the 3/4c spot. Sam Gagner and Adam Gaudette. I thought you had him penciled in as waived/traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Didn’t know CDC provided a tangible on ice benefit. Well, it must - right? Don't go and spoil my day like that FTG. You mean all of this was for nothing?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: I thought you had him penciled in as waived/traded? I do. But that doesn’t mean he’s not in competition with gaudette for the final center spot. I’m just confident gaudette will/should be on the roster come opening night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Well, it must - right? Don't go and spoil my day like that FTG. You mean all of this was for nothing?!? My bad.....The quality of each GDT thread directly impacts a win or loss.... more gifs = more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I do. But that doesn’t mean he’s not in competition with gaudette for the final center spot. I’m just confident gaudette will/should be on the roster come opening night. 1 hour ago, aGENT said: If anything I'd say Granlund better watch his back with Gaudette coming up behind him. Far more similar skill sets/2 way ability/ability to play up and down the lineup. Edited September 12, 2018 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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