Popular Post 73 Percent Posted September 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2019 Here's my thoughts on the gaudette conundrum. If he were to be sent down to start the season it sends a message. That message is its okay to show up to camp out of shape. Its okay to mail it in in preseason. Theres nothing you can do to earn your spot in the lineup at this time. That message is also completly opposite of what was relayed all offseason. Competition, earn your spot, blah blah blah. All that would be just lip service. Gaudette has worked hard and has earned the big boy paycheck until he loses his spot (which he may). If managment has any morals they would make this happen regardless of waiver priority or forward position. Centers can play wing guys. Its been done before. Team canada is often riddled with centers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Here's my thoughts on the gaudette conundrum. If he were to be sent down to start the season it sends a message. That message is its okay to show up to camp out of shape. Its okay to mail it in in preseason. Theres nothing you can do to earn your spot in the lineup at this time. None of Pettersson, Horvat, Sutter or Beagle showed up to camp out of shape or 'mailed it in' though... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 There are far more reasons and opinions to be made for Guadette to stay with the Canucks vs Eriksson staying up. Guadette can play center and wing, and has shown far more versatility and veracity.. which is exactly what Green is looking for. If there are any injuries, and there will be, then Eriksson can be called from Utica and try again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, aGENT said: None of Pettersson, Horvat, Sutter or Beagle showed up to camp out of shape or 'mailed it in' though... Did you stop reading there? There was more to my post. Kind of excluded some key parts to your benifit. Edited September 27, 2019 by 73 Percent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Did you stop reading there? There was more to my post. Kind of excluded some key parts to your benifit. No, I read it. What I quoted was what I largely took issue with. Though this premise on CDC that spots are solely won/lost based on a few preseason games is also a pretty sizable misread IMO. Coaches/GM's are looking at a hell of a lot more than just how a few bubble guys play in the preseason when most of the vets are cruising by at 75% +/-. A guy like that can certainly help his standing with those preseason games but it's not the only factor teams look at when picking a roster. Regardless, as far as I know, the Canucks are still developing Gaudette as a C. None of Pettersson, Horvat, Sutter or Beagle are out of shape or particularly mailing it in as you suggested. And Gaudette isn't better at faceoffs or defensively than any of them and not better offensively than Pettersson/Horvat. So I'm not sure where people are getting the impression he's particularly won any of their spots. And if we want to continue to develop him as a C (which I think we do) it's far from cut and dry as to where might be best for him to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, SilentSam said: There are far more reasons and opinions to be made for Guadette to stay with the Canucks vs Eriksson staying up. Guadette can play center and wing, and has shown far more versatility and veracity.. which is exactly what Green is looking for. If there are any injuries, and there will be, then Eriksson can be called from Utica and try again. on merit from showing and effort in camp the order of keeping to me is: AG Loui Goldy Schaller LE did fine, really just the one bobble last night was the only glaring thing he did. Otherwise it was his usual performance. I didn't see anything that would indicate to not expect him to have less, or exceed, somewhere in the 10-12 goal 25-30 pt range and be really good on the PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: And if we want to continue to develop him as a C (which I think we do) it's far from cut and dry as to where might be best for him to do so. nope its easy. On a line with Sutter. Sutter can take the harder defensive draws and AG can take the offensive side ones. They can co-C the 3rd line as AG learns from Sutter. I don't see why Utica would be better than that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, aGENT said: No, I read it. What I quoted was what I largely took issue with. Though this premise on CDC that spots are solely won/lost based on a few preseason games is also a pretty sizable misread IMO. Coaches/GM's are looking at a hell of a lot more than just how a few bubble guys play in the preseason when most of the vets are cruising by at 75% +/-. A guy like that can certainly help his standing with those preseason games but it's not the only factor teams look at when picking a roster. Regardless, as far as I know, the Canucks are still developing Gaudette as a C. None of Pettersson, Horvat, Sutter or Beagle are out of shape or particularly mailing it in as you suggested. And Gaudette isn't better at faceoffs or defensively than any of them and not better offensively than Pettersson/Horvat. So I'm not sure where people are getting the impression he's particularly won any of their spots. And if we want to continue to develop him as a C (which I think we do) it's far from cut and dry as to where might be best for him to do so. Whats the point of developing him as a player who solely plays center if there isnt a center position available for 2 more years lol. Im not buying what your selling. Plus sutter and beagle have both played wing in the past. AAAAND I'm sure gaudette has too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: nope its easy. On a line with Sutter. Sutter can take the harder defensive draws and AG can take the offensive side ones. They can co-C the 3rd line as AG learns from Sutter. I don't see why Utica would be better than that. Maybe. Maybe he's better off playing 18+ minutes in all situations and taking all the draws in Utica? I'm sure the management group is having a healthy debate about that very thing right now. I'm fine with either FWIW but let's not try and pretend it's an easy, cut and dry answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 1) Benning plainly said if a (young) player shows up and proves he is ready and earns a job they will make a spot for him. 2) Weisbrod basically said there are ways to make room and "contract status" will not be the deciding factor. 3) TG was pleading with players to "make an impact and make our decision difficult" just like Adam Gaudette did. 4) Gaudette knew what he needed to do in the off season and put in the work to get there. 5) Players are watching to see what happens and if you can actually really play your way onto or off of this team or is it the same old same old like in past when there wasn't enough NHL players available to fill the roster - FINALLY. I get all the asset management blah blah blah but it's time to fish or cut bait with some of these players and move on. Gaudette earned a spot. If he doesn't get one over numerous other players it smells like what it is no matter what you sprinkle on it. Edited September 27, 2019 by Borvat 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) I'd rather not expose Gaudette to a farm system that hasn't developed a single impact skater since Mason Raymond any longer than we have to. Just sayin'. Edited September 27, 2019 by 48MPHSlapShot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: nope its easy. On a line with Sutter. Sutter can take the harder defensive draws and AG can take the offensive side ones. They can co-C the 3rd line as AG learns from Sutter. I don't see why Utica would be better than that. Also, if Sutter gets injured again (or Beagle for that matter) then having Gaudette already on the team and playing 12 minutes a game will let him switch to center on whatever set of players need him. I really don't buy the "Utica will help develop him" idea. It hasn't worked for anyone much yet, with the possible exception of MacEwen and maybe Juolevi. JB has already indicated what he thinks of development: all things being equal, he prefers to develop players in Vancouver, not so much Utica. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I'd be open to starting him on Bo's wing along with JT Miller. I'd far rather continue to see him develop his offensive game than his already strong 2 way game. Put Pearson with Sutter and Baer on the 3rd. Once Sutter is traded or we have an injury, slide Gaudette into the 3C role. Probably not the popular opinion, just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Maybe. Maybe he's better off playing 18+ minutes in all situations and taking all the draws in Utica? I'm sure the management group is having a healthy debate about that very thing right now. I'm fine with either FWIW but let's not try and pretend it's an easy, cut and dry answer. i'll pretend whatever I want thank you very much, its "easy" from the pov that theres no other spot for him on the Canucks, and tbh i don't see "all situations" experience in Utica for 18 mins is better than 15 shut down ones with Sutter. I suspect the debate is more about whether or not its worth losing Goldy for nothing over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: on merit from showing and effort in camp the order of keeping to me is: AG Loui Goldy Schaller LE did fine, really just the one bobble last night was the only glaring thing he did. Otherwise it was his usual performance. I didn't see anything that would indicate to not expect him to have less, or exceed, somewhere in the 10-12 goal 25-30 pt range and be really good on the PK. Regardless, this season, next season , or the year after.. The play, potential and upside of Gaudett vastly outweighs anything Eriksson offers.. so what are we waiting for by sitting on Eriksson? Utica may seemed like forcing this player to retire,. But that’s life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Regardless, this season, next season , or the year after.. The play, potential and upside of Gaudett vastly outweighs anything Eriksson offers.. so what are we waiting for by sitting on Eriksson? Utica may seemed like forcing this player to retire,. But that’s life. I'm not on the Loui hate train, I see him as a useful player still. At 2-3 mil salary most people would be fine with him. But having said that if it came down to keeping AG or Loui I'd keep AG up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I'm not on the Loui hate train, I see him as a useful player still. At 2-3 mil salary most people would be fine with him. But having said that if it came down to keeping AG or Loui I'd keep AG up. I’m not on the “hate” train either Jimmy.. but these guys, although compared to other less hazardous sports, get paid well enough that a fan or management shouldn’t settle for less than the best for this Team. even at 2 or 3 mil, we have better players that can replace him. Edited September 28, 2019 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I'm not on the Loui hate train, I see him as a useful player still. At 2-3 mil salary most people would be fine with him. But having said that if it came down to keeping AG or Loui I'd keep AG up. I don't think it's Loui or AG in a who is up who is down situation. Loui will be up because 6m NHL players with 3 years left don't go down. Gaudette will make the team. I trust that JB is an honest guy and will give him his due. Schaller Leivo and/or Goldy are the ones who may go down. Someone could be claimed. Let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: I don't think it's Loui or AG in a who is up who is down situation. Loui will be up because 6m NHL players with 3 years left don't go down. Gaudette will make the team. I trust that JB is an honest guy and will give him his due. Schaller Leivo and/or Goldy are the ones who may go down. Someone could be claimed. Let's see. Leivo stays for sure. Motte, Goldy, and Little Things go down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Gaudette has been a force in the games he has played this preseason and Travis Green just has a tough call in terms of who to send down to Utica or whose spot Gaudette will be taking to start the year. My guess is Goldy or Schaller down to Utica to start the year so Gaudette can stick with the nucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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