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5 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

Lol you folks are embarrassing! This kid improves every single year. Until he ceases to do so, no way should we move him (unless offered a RD that we can’t refuse of course).

Acknowledging that a player may not have the desired skillset for a certain position and not waiting until he "ceases to do so" which could minimize his value is not embarassing, it's being realistic.

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23 hours ago, Mad Jon said:

Your point? I don’t have a post elimination blues. I like Adam. Burrows -esque ? That’s ambitious. I hope so. Hockey Gaud …Well that gives you away. That was a college boy…Not what we’re seeing at the moment.

That’s gives me away? That’s his media handle smart guy.

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23 hours ago, MrCanuck94 said:

Acknowledging that a player may not have the desired skillset for a certain position and not waiting until he "ceases to do so" which could minimize his value is not embarassing, it's being realistic.

Many people are making comments on him not being a “star” yet, or not “solidifying” his 3c role. That isn’t being realistic, that’s being impatient. 

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9 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

Many people are making comments on him not being a “star” yet, or not “solidifying” his 3c role. That isn’t being realistic, that’s being impatient. 

Not to single tou out because I dont know your stance on the matter, but I find the gaudette patience funny.

 

 

Gaudette and virtanen were born like 9 months apart or something. The general consensus is gaudette is developing. He needs time. Virtanen (who would have had 40 pts this season) is supposedly a lost cause and trade bait.

 

Personally, without looking at cap ramifications, I'd rather package gaudette to rid a cap dump than virtanen.

 

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5 hours ago, 73 Percent said:

Not to single tou out because I dont know your stance on the matter, but I find the gaudette patience funny.

 

 

Gaudette and virtanen were born like 9 months apart or something. The general consensus is gaudette is developing. He needs time. Virtanen (who would have had 40 pts this season) is supposedly a lost cause and trade bait.

 

Personally, without looking at cap ramifications, I'd rather package gaudette to rid a cap dump than virtanen.

 

I believe it has more to do with JV having had 5 pro seasons and not seeing a huge progression in his game. Whereas, AG was in his second pro year this year and more than doubled his production from 12 pts to 33 pts, along with increasing his role and ice time. AG just seems to have a better attitude generally, more energy on the ice, smarter and seems more coachable. Yes, he still has a lot of holes in his game, but he has consistently improved his game every year as a player (going back into his college years). JV, on the other hand, has seen a good amount of stagnation and regression. fwiw

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I think Gaudette holds more value than Jake as he is a young center who works hard and has good ability to put up offense in a limited role playing 3rd line minutes. As mentioned above, he really took a big step in his 2nd pro season with the big boys. I think if we are looking to move out money, he might need to be packaged with someone like Rousell or Sutter, if teams push for him instead of Jake.

 

I hope this doesn't happen as having 3 strong centers would be a huge asset down the road and working with Manny, his defensive game and face off percentages should improve steadily over the next few seasons. For that reason, I hope we can hang onto him despite our cap and the work JB will have to do the next few years to shed salary and cut the fat (Erickson, Baertschi, Sutter, Rousell).

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16 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

That’s gives me away? That’s his media handle smart guy.

 

16 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

That’s gives me away? That’s his media handle smart guy.

True enough. Perhaps his media handle sounds a little bit pompous to me. I’ve always thought that…Even when he was winning the Hobey Baker award. I don’t know why you have chosen to be combative with me. I have always been a fan of Adam and have supported him since he was drafted. You would seem to have an axe to grind on this subject so I will bow out of this conversation. I hope Adam exceeds even your expectations. Happy now?

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4 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

I believe it has more to do with JV having had 5 pro seasons and not seeing a huge progression in his game. Whereas, AG was in his second pro year this year and more than doubled his production from 12 pts to 33 pts, along with increasing his role and ice time. AG just seems to have a better attitude generally, more energy on the ice, smarter and seems more coachable. Yes, he still has a lot of holes in his game, but he has consistently improved his game every year as a player (going back into his college years). JV, on the other hand, has seen a good amount of stagnation and regression. fwiw

Hey that's fair man. I respect your opinion 100% and agree with alot of it. The one thing for me is it's not JVs fault he was brought up too early (which I thing we can all agree with).

 

Playoffs has ha big factor in my thought process. From what I seen jake had a very small impact. AG was a no show the entire time.

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35 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Hey that's fair man. I respect your opinion 100% and agree with alot of it. The one thing for me is it's not JVs fault he was brought up too early (which I thing we can all agree with).

 

Playoffs has ha big factor in my thought process. From what I seen jake had a very small impact. AG was a no show the entire time.

Gaudette looked over matched and sometimes lost in these playoffs. Especially against Vegas. 

 

There were times where it looked as if he was trying to force an offensive play but just didn't have the skating or stick handling ability to create something. 

 

Don't get me wrong I love Gauddette's hustle and effort but if a tough call had to be made against him and Jake, I would pick Jake. 

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1 hour ago, CallAfterLife said:

Gaudette looked over matched and sometimes lost in these playoffs. Especially against Vegas. 

 

There were times where it looked as if he was trying to force an offensive play but just didn't have the skating or stick handling ability to create something. 

 

Don't get me wrong I love Gauddette's hustle and effort but if a tough call had to be made against him and Jake, I would pick Jake. 

For me I'd keep Gaud. He has less than half the experience Jake does and has made improvements faster.

 

I would, however stop the Gaud at 3rd C idea. He can be an effective winger, especially with his shot.

 

Also he doesn't have offer-sheet/arbitration rights to he'll have the cheaper contract.

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On 9/12/2020 at 4:47 PM, Junkyard Dog said:

For me I'd keep Gaud. He has less than half the experience Jake does and has made improvements faster.

 

I would, however stop the Gaud at 3rd C idea. He can be an effective winger, especially with his shot.

 

Also he doesn't have offer-sheet/arbitration rights to he'll have the cheaper contract.

This.

 

I've been banging this drum since the start of the season, Gaudette just looks more like a winger.  His strength to get deep into the forecheck and tenacious puck hounding allows him to generate chances.  He is more of a shooter anyway and simply doesn't distribute the puck well enough to anchor a line at centre.  Additionally, you see the same tendencies in the defensive zone where he gets way to deep and caught into the cycle that he often loses track of the centre of the ice easily.  He is a good two way player, he is smart, but simply not suited to be a centre at this level.

 

He was horrific in the regular season when it came to faceoffs, but seemed to have really improved in the playoffs (large thanks to Manny), but his overall game doesn't suit up the middle very well. With this team ready to start really pushing for continuous playoff success year after years, they need that third line to be a strength particularly up the middle.  That 3C needs to not only hold his own in the ozone, but be just as good in his own zone.  Gaudette despite being at the age of 24 soon, is simply too raw of a player still to hold that position and still have success.

 

I do think the Canucks retain him because he has a good work ethic, but at this point I see his current career trajectory as a bottom six energy winger much like Roussel with some offensive upside.  At some point that right side will eventually get clogged, and I see him as a pawn to bring in a bigger fish whether at centre or defense.

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I totally agree Gaudette should be moved to wing if he can't get his faceoff ability up to snuff. It's important to have good faceoff won %. With that said, our team as a whole is quite good in that regard already. I imagine we would not be as good a team without it.

 

Gaudette was rather terrible in the playoffs. But he's still young. Not too young, but young enough that he has time to better his game as well as improve himself physically. I think he would be a much more effective player if he added some muscle to that decent frame. He has good tenacity and if he could win more puck battles on the forecheck and really dig in the walls, I could see him continuing to improve.

 

I still question his top end potential. Goldobin is a good example of a guy who had skills, but couldn't play a complete game. Gaudette is far better in many regards but he still also needs to play a better 2-way game. Unless he can find that side of his game he will remain a 3rd line player (winger?) with reasonably slick scoring ability, but not particularly good advanced stats. Makes for good trading fodder if nothing else.

 

Or he could still put it all together. Drive is not a question.

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31 minutes ago, kloubek said:

I totally agree Gaudette should be moved to wing if he can't get his faceoff ability up to snuff. It's important to have good faceoff won %. With that said, our team as a whole is quite good in that regard already. I imagine we would not be as good a team without it.

 

I still question his top end potential. Goldobin is a good example of a guy who had skills, but couldn't play a complete game. Gaudette is far better in many regards but he still also needs to play a better 2-way game. Unless he can find that side of his game he will remain a 3rd line player (winger?) with reasonably slick scoring ability, but not particularly good advanced stats. Makes for good trading fodder if nothing else.

That's some fresh perspective, haven't heard of him being compared to Goldobin before, though agreed he has talent.  If management wants to have a fresh start at 3rd C and doesn't trust neither him nor Sutter, then I'd be down to have him and his no arbitration option contract rights packaged to hopefully move Loui or Beagle (Gaud's got upside and no negotiation rights, which will keep him affordable and serviceable).   

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2 hours ago, Phil_314 said:

That's some fresh perspective, haven't heard of him being compared to Goldobin before, though agreed he has talent.  If management wants to have a fresh start at 3rd C and doesn't trust neither him nor Sutter, then I'd be down to have him and his no arbitration option contract rights packaged to hopefully move Loui or Beagle (Gaud's got upside and no negotiation rights, which will keep him affordable and serviceable).   

I was hesitant to make the comparison because I feel Gaudette has more drive and heart and is certainly no Goldobin. 

 

The thing is that this team already has questionable defensive structure. That means defensive gaffs tend to be deadly for us and any player that can't play a 2 way game becomes a liability... or at least a PP specialist with limited 5 on 5 capability. To this end, I wonder if he really would be an attractive piece in a package. Maybe to lose LE's contract. Maybe as a piece to get help on the blueline. We have Podz and Hogs coming onto the team soon for our ELC relief, and I suspect one if not both might be more the kind of player we need. (Podkolzin should be a really good 3rd liner at worst, and Hogz seems to have some real top end talent for our top 6 if he can put it together.) Not really sure we need Gaudette, and he certainly does nothing to make our team harder to play against - physically or otherwise. At this point, I really just see him more as a placeholder as we wait for winger help more suited for what will be available positions as we move forward.

 

I say again, this isn't to say I don't like the guy or feel he won't be a good player. He has skills and tenacity. He is the kind of player I would expect to study his deficiencies and improve accordingly. I would love it to be with us but with our cap bind and all...

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3 hours ago, J-P said:

I believe Gaudette's stats are very inflated from PP and sheltering and that now is the time to sell high on him. Would love to see him shipped with Roussel for a decent pick to shed some cap.

I'd prefer to see Gaudette used in a trade for a promising young defenceman. Like a Jake Bean or Dante Fabbro. Or even a Jett Woo type prospect. 

 

If the Canucks want to start contending now, they need a 3C that can play defence. Sutter's perfect for that. 

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On 9/22/2020 at 6:02 PM, CallAfterLife said:

I'd prefer to see Gaudette used in a trade for a promising young defenceman. Like a Jake Bean or Dante Fabbro. Or even a Jett Woo type prospect. 

 

If the Canucks want to start contending now, they need a 3C that can play defence. Sutter's perfect for that. 

sutter sucks only thing he can do is win faceoffs  his contract is as almost as bad as erikssons is 4.25 mill a yr to be slow and win faceoffs hilarious

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I’m expecting a huge year from Gaudette this coming season.  I agree that he struggled in the playoffs.  He was overplaying and his energy got him caught out of position making him ineffective.  He also looked light.  Hopefully he puts on some man strength and watches film this off season.  I don’t think you give up on Gaudette in the 3rd line centre role yet.  
PS.  Sutter is done.  

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On 9/24/2020 at 1:50 PM, canuktravella said:

sutter sucks only thing he can do is win faceoffs  his contract is as almost as bad as erikssons is 4.25 mill a yr to be slow and win faceoffs hilarious

Really? Sucks?

 

Now, don't get me wrong- he is not a standout. He's had injury trouble too. But he battles reasonably hard, is a leader in the room, puts up ok numbers in his limited role, and yes - he is great at faceoffs. I think we could do a lot worse.

 

Is he overpaid? Sure. But to say he sucks and to liken his contract value to that of Loui's is a wee stretch.

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