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4 hours ago, HomeBrew said:

I believe it has more to do with JV having had 5 pro seasons and not seeing a huge progression in his game. Whereas, AG was in his second pro year this year and more than doubled his production from 12 pts to 33 pts, along with increasing his role and ice time. AG just seems to have a better attitude generally, more energy on the ice, smarter and seems more coachable. Yes, he still has a lot of holes in his game, but he has consistently improved his game every year as a player (going back into his college years). JV, on the other hand, has seen a good amount of stagnation and regression. fwiw

Hey that's fair man. I respect your opinion 100% and agree with alot of it. The one thing for me is it's not JVs fault he was brought up too early (which I thing we can all agree with).

 

Playoffs has ha big factor in my thought process. From what I seen jake had a very small impact. AG was a no show the entire time.

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35 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:

Hey that's fair man. I respect your opinion 100% and agree with alot of it. The one thing for me is it's not JVs fault he was brought up too early (which I thing we can all agree with).

 

Playoffs has ha big factor in my thought process. From what I seen jake had a very small impact. AG was a no show the entire time.

Gaudette looked over matched and sometimes lost in these playoffs. Especially against Vegas. 

 

There were times where it looked as if he was trying to force an offensive play but just didn't have the skating or stick handling ability to create something. 

 

Don't get me wrong I love Gauddette's hustle and effort but if a tough call had to be made against him and Jake, I would pick Jake. 

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1 hour ago, CallAfterLife said:

Gaudette looked over matched and sometimes lost in these playoffs. Especially against Vegas. 

 

There were times where it looked as if he was trying to force an offensive play but just didn't have the skating or stick handling ability to create something. 

 

Don't get me wrong I love Gauddette's hustle and effort but if a tough call had to be made against him and Jake, I would pick Jake. 

For me I'd keep Gaud. He has less than half the experience Jake does and has made improvements faster.

 

I would, however stop the Gaud at 3rd C idea. He can be an effective winger, especially with his shot.

 

Also he doesn't have offer-sheet/arbitration rights to he'll have the cheaper contract.

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On 9/12/2020 at 4:47 PM, Junkyard Dog said:

For me I'd keep Gaud. He has less than half the experience Jake does and has made improvements faster.

 

I would, however stop the Gaud at 3rd C idea. He can be an effective winger, especially with his shot.

 

Also he doesn't have offer-sheet/arbitration rights to he'll have the cheaper contract.

This.

 

I've been banging this drum since the start of the season, Gaudette just looks more like a winger.  His strength to get deep into the forecheck and tenacious puck hounding allows him to generate chances.  He is more of a shooter anyway and simply doesn't distribute the puck well enough to anchor a line at centre.  Additionally, you see the same tendencies in the defensive zone where he gets way to deep and caught into the cycle that he often loses track of the centre of the ice easily.  He is a good two way player, he is smart, but simply not suited to be a centre at this level.

 

He was horrific in the regular season when it came to faceoffs, but seemed to have really improved in the playoffs (large thanks to Manny), but his overall game doesn't suit up the middle very well. With this team ready to start really pushing for continuous playoff success year after years, they need that third line to be a strength particularly up the middle.  That 3C needs to not only hold his own in the ozone, but be just as good in his own zone.  Gaudette despite being at the age of 24 soon, is simply too raw of a player still to hold that position and still have success.

 

I do think the Canucks retain him because he has a good work ethic, but at this point I see his current career trajectory as a bottom six energy winger much like Roussel with some offensive upside.  At some point that right side will eventually get clogged, and I see him as a pawn to bring in a bigger fish whether at centre or defense.

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I totally agree Gaudette should be moved to wing if he can't get his faceoff ability up to snuff. It's important to have good faceoff won %. With that said, our team as a whole is quite good in that regard already. I imagine we would not be as good a team without it.

 

Gaudette was rather terrible in the playoffs. But he's still young. Not too young, but young enough that he has time to better his game as well as improve himself physically. I think he would be a much more effective player if he added some muscle to that decent frame. He has good tenacity and if he could win more puck battles on the forecheck and really dig in the walls, I could see him continuing to improve.

 

I still question his top end potential. Goldobin is a good example of a guy who had skills, but couldn't play a complete game. Gaudette is far better in many regards but he still also needs to play a better 2-way game. Unless he can find that side of his game he will remain a 3rd line player (winger?) with reasonably slick scoring ability, but not particularly good advanced stats. Makes for good trading fodder if nothing else.

 

Or he could still put it all together. Drive is not a question.

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31 minutes ago, kloubek said:

I totally agree Gaudette should be moved to wing if he can't get his faceoff ability up to snuff. It's important to have good faceoff won %. With that said, our team as a whole is quite good in that regard already. I imagine we would not be as good a team without it.

 

I still question his top end potential. Goldobin is a good example of a guy who had skills, but couldn't play a complete game. Gaudette is far better in many regards but he still also needs to play a better 2-way game. Unless he can find that side of his game he will remain a 3rd line player (winger?) with reasonably slick scoring ability, but not particularly good advanced stats. Makes for good trading fodder if nothing else.

That's some fresh perspective, haven't heard of him being compared to Goldobin before, though agreed he has talent.  If management wants to have a fresh start at 3rd C and doesn't trust neither him nor Sutter, then I'd be down to have him and his no arbitration option contract rights packaged to hopefully move Loui or Beagle (Gaud's got upside and no negotiation rights, which will keep him affordable and serviceable).   

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2 hours ago, Phil_314 said:

That's some fresh perspective, haven't heard of him being compared to Goldobin before, though agreed he has talent.  If management wants to have a fresh start at 3rd C and doesn't trust neither him nor Sutter, then I'd be down to have him and his no arbitration option contract rights packaged to hopefully move Loui or Beagle (Gaud's got upside and no negotiation rights, which will keep him affordable and serviceable).   

I was hesitant to make the comparison because I feel Gaudette has more drive and heart and is certainly no Goldobin. 

 

The thing is that this team already has questionable defensive structure. That means defensive gaffs tend to be deadly for us and any player that can't play a 2 way game becomes a liability... or at least a PP specialist with limited 5 on 5 capability. To this end, I wonder if he really would be an attractive piece in a package. Maybe to lose LE's contract. Maybe as a piece to get help on the blueline. We have Podz and Hogs coming onto the team soon for our ELC relief, and I suspect one if not both might be more the kind of player we need. (Podkolzin should be a really good 3rd liner at worst, and Hogz seems to have some real top end talent for our top 6 if he can put it together.) Not really sure we need Gaudette, and he certainly does nothing to make our team harder to play against - physically or otherwise. At this point, I really just see him more as a placeholder as we wait for winger help more suited for what will be available positions as we move forward.

 

I say again, this isn't to say I don't like the guy or feel he won't be a good player. He has skills and tenacity. He is the kind of player I would expect to study his deficiencies and improve accordingly. I would love it to be with us but with our cap bind and all...

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I believe Gaudette's stats are very inflated from PP and sheltering and that now is the time to sell high on him. Would love to see him shipped with Roussel for a decent pick to shed some cap.

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3 hours ago, J-P said:

I believe Gaudette's stats are very inflated from PP and sheltering and that now is the time to sell high on him. Would love to see him shipped with Roussel for a decent pick to shed some cap.

I'd prefer to see Gaudette used in a trade for a promising young defenceman. Like a Jake Bean or Dante Fabbro. Or even a Jett Woo type prospect. 

 

If the Canucks want to start contending now, they need a 3C that can play defence. Sutter's perfect for that. 

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On 9/22/2020 at 6:02 PM, CallAfterLife said:

I'd prefer to see Gaudette used in a trade for a promising young defenceman. Like a Jake Bean or Dante Fabbro. Or even a Jett Woo type prospect. 

 

If the Canucks want to start contending now, they need a 3C that can play defence. Sutter's perfect for that. 

sutter sucks only thing he can do is win faceoffs  his contract is as almost as bad as erikssons is 4.25 mill a yr to be slow and win faceoffs hilarious

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I’m expecting a huge year from Gaudette this coming season.  I agree that he struggled in the playoffs.  He was overplaying and his energy got him caught out of position making him ineffective.  He also looked light.  Hopefully he puts on some man strength and watches film this off season.  I don’t think you give up on Gaudette in the 3rd line centre role yet.  
PS.  Sutter is done.  

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Gaudette's birthday today. You can actually wish him a good one, right now he's streaming on twitch.

 

 

clicky on the twitch icon

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On 9/24/2020 at 1:50 PM, canuktravella said:

sutter sucks only thing he can do is win faceoffs  his contract is as almost as bad as erikssons is 4.25 mill a yr to be slow and win faceoffs hilarious

Really? Sucks?

 

Now, don't get me wrong- he is not a standout. He's had injury trouble too. But he battles reasonably hard, is a leader in the room, puts up ok numbers in his limited role, and yes - he is great at faceoffs. I think we could do a lot worse.

 

Is he overpaid? Sure. But to say he sucks and to liken his contract value to that of Loui's is a wee stretch.

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23 minutes ago, kloubek said:

Really? Sucks?

 

Now, don't get me wrong- he is not a standout. He's had injury trouble too. But he battles reasonably hard, is a leader in the room, puts up ok numbers in his limited role, and yes - he is great at faceoffs. I think we could do a lot worse.

 

Is he overpaid? Sure. But to say he sucks and to liken his contract value to that of Loui's is a wee stretch.

Agreed, for one year and with the degree that his play increased in the playoffs it's not terrible given how he can win draws and play sound defense.
Players like him, esp. if able to stay healthy and have a consistent showing, can command a good return for teams pushing for the post-season.
If we can sign him at a discount (nowhere near $4 million, maybe $1.5 million?  He can take it or leave it) and without term or clause then it could be worth it.

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I can see the argument for trading Gaudette but he's essentially also one of the few young centers behind Horvat and Pettersson on this team.  Some others could play C (e.g. Miller though it would make no sense to play him there other than with Petey, Toffoli if he's re-signed but again it would not make sense, Sutter if he's not traded, very distant chance of MacEwen) but the only other Cs in the system are either still to raw as prospects (e.g. Carson Focht) or are career AHLers so far.  Michaelis is intriguing but again, who knows how well his college game will translate to the NHL level.  Jasek has played C but is more of a winger.

 

The lack of Cs makes me think that Gaudette is relatively safe for now which should give him time to develop.  Of course, if a team really wants Gaudette and is willing to give the Canucks a return they essentially can't refuse, then I don't think Gaudette is that safe.  Long term, if the Canucks can recover decent C prospects or two from trades, then Gaudette may become more expendable but even then, the Canucks would probably have to dip into the UFA market unless they are comfortable running with Sutter as the 3C this year and then dipping into FA next year.

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As soon as he signs he should grab sweater #8 ...... (and Canucks should hold #88 in waiting for Tryamkin)

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I'm expecting a breakout 20 goal season for Gaudette next year on our wings, he'll play in our top 6 when injuries arise and especially without Toffoli. The kid's shown heart and some serious hand and shot skills. Don't waste him defending at center, play him on the wing.

 

He deserves a low bridge contract, like 1-1.5M for a couple of seasons. I have much more patient for Gaudette than 6th overall party Jake.

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On 10/12/2020 at 12:40 PM, Googlie said:

As soon as he signs he should grab sweater #8 ...... (and Canucks should hold #88 in waiting for Tryamkin)

Or hold it for Schmidt :towel:

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On 10/13/2020 at 10:59 AM, DownUndaCanuck said:

I'm expecting a breakout 20 goal season for Gaudette next year on our wings, he'll play in our top 6 when injuries arise and especially without Toffoli. The kid's shown heart and some serious hand and shot skills. Don't waste him defending at center, play him on the wing.

 

He deserves a low bridge contract, like 1-1.5M for a couple of seasons. I have much more patient for Gaudette than 6th overall party Jake.

score 30 points and make a million? is this the year 1990? he's earned 2 million for his regular season play, his poor playoff performance may bump him down a notch.   i just looked at goldobins contract, so maybe im off by a bit. 

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6 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

score 30 points and make a million? is this the year 1990? he's earned 2 million for his regular season play, his poor playoff performance may bump him down a notch.   i just looked at goldobins contract, so maybe im off by a bit. 

To be fair, he doesn't bring much else to the table at the moment. He plays 9 minutes, doesn't defend, kill penalties or play physically. 

 

Motte does more, deserves more, no way Gaudette right now deserve more than Motte for just points scored.

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