MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 So, were things different in their relationship while Burke was GM in Toronto? regards, G. were talking going way back to 1998. Penny was our head for a long time. Then the Canucks hired Brian Burke, MIke Penny left and followed Pattt Quinn to Toronto. Mike Penny was replaced by Delorme since then, and made questionable picks ever since Penny left for example Bryan Allen with the 4th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The Canucks draft record over the past 15 years since Ron Delorme was named Chief Amateur Scout has been spotty to say the least. Yet, through all the regime changes at GM somehow Delorme and most of the other scouts have kept their jobs throughout. I really don't get why. You see Peter Chiarelli go into Edmonton and the first thing he does is fire most of the scouts. It seems like the Canucks are afraid to make true fundamental changes to their organization. Yes they will change their president, head coach and GM but all the people behind the scenes remain the same. The last time the Canucks made big changes to their scouting staff Brian Burke was still GM. I know, the optics with the guy amaze me, how ever after doing a little more research some poor drafts shouldn't rest on Delorme's shoulders. He looks for what hes asked to look for,(all the scouts), the GM makes the podium pick. I think Delorme goes and finds the type of player the GM is looking for. I think what's different here is that JB goes and has more than one look for himself. At this point JB has had an entire year to evaluate his scouting staff. If there is going to be change in the scouting department it will be this summer. I would not be surprised at changes. Still I like you wonder what kind of Teflon underwear this guy has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Benning has said that he is looking for players with: good hockey sense (IQ) character hard to play against fast, physical, skill Who isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Who isn't? The McOilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The McOilers. And with one incredible stroke of dumb luck, they just buried the Canucks for the next decade all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Shaky go look at Bennings record over the last fifteen years. It's actually worse with higher picks well,,,Benning should fire Delorme and quit..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 ^MJDDawg..you stole my suggestion. First thing was gonna say 'incriminating photos'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahyoung Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 In all fairness drafting is hard. Every team has blown picks. Even this year proabably 1/3 of the guys in the first round will have NHL careers. Different numbers every year of course. Some of these guys are projects who'll take 3-4 years to get to the Canucks, so hard to predict that far in the future. Benning did a good job landing Baertschi and Clendenning in this regard, the farther along a player is the less risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 In all fairness drafting is hard. Every team has blown picks. Even this year proabably 1/3 of the guys in the first round will have NHL careers. Different numbers every year of course. Some of these guys are projects who'll take 3-4 years to get to the Canucks, so hard to predict that far in the future. Benning did a good job landing Baertschi and Clendenning in this regard, the farther along a player is the less risky.Baertschi is a headcase that already wants to sign a long term deal before showing his worth on the big stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spankenstyne Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 were talking going way back to 1998. Penny was our head for a long time. Then the Canucks hired Brian Burke, MIke Penny left and followed Pattt Quinn to Toronto. Mike Penny was replaced by Delorme since then, and made questionable picks ever since Penny left for example Bryan Allen with the 4th pick. Hindsight is great eh? Allen was ranked #3 by Central Scouting at the time of the '98 draft. -------------------------------- Monday, May 4, 1998Lecavalier remains No. 1TORONTO (CP) -- Vincent Lecavalier of the Rimouski Oceanic is the No. 1-ranked North American skater in the final rankings of juniors by the NHL's Central Scouting Service. Lecavalier scored 44 goals and added 71 assists for the Quebec team, and the Ile-Bizard, Que., native also played for Canada at the world junior tournament. The six-foot-four centre was No. 1 in the mid-season rankings, too. Plymouth Whalers centre David Legwand is the No. 2-ranked prospect. The OHL's MVP had 54 goals and 51 assists. Defencemen Bryan Allen of the Oshawa Generals is third, up two spots from the midseason list, and Brad Stuart of the Regina Pats is fourth, jumping all the way from 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Here's a fun little exercise and read from last year that illustrates the point of just how bad the Ron Delorme era was. Sorry for the length but I can't figure out how to get the tables to show up in the spoiler box. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll hurl. Spoiler: it's even worse than you think. http://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem Canucks Army blogger Sham Sharron vs Ron Delorme: Sham will not pick and choose his draft selections. He has no access to game tape, he has seen no games, and he has no fancy stats or analytics to aid his decision. He will select all players by the following rules: All players selected will be from the Canadian Hockey League. Goalies are voodoo, they will not be selected at any time. Defensemen are voodoo, they will not be selected at any time. The Canucks' selection will be the player still on the draft board that scored the most points in their 17 year old CHL season that was for-realsies taken between Vancouver's selection and Vancouver's subsequent selection. No other information other than the total number of points a player had in his 17-year old season (his first year of draft eligibility) is considered. This information was freely available at the time each draft was held. Ties are broken on the basis of points per game. Starting with the 2000 NHL entry draft, here's how Ron Delorme and his crew got their asses handed to them by Fake Intern Sham Sharron: 2000 Sham and Ron agree on Brandon Reid in the 7th round, but Sham finds top-6 winger and Corsi God Justin Williams at 23rd overall. Vancouver finds 26 pointless games of Nathan Smith. 2001 Vancouver did well in 2001, finding two impact pros in Kevin Bieksa and R.J. Umberger. However, Sham managed to find future 3-time 30-goal scorer Jason Pominville to compliment the Sedins and Kyle Wellwood and P-A Parenteau to supplement Vancouver's depth. As we'll see though, Wellwood is eventually forced out of Vancouver's system by some even better talent at C. I'm Gladskikh the Canucks avoided that awkward situation. 2002 '02 was a disaster for Vancouver, as they failed to find a single NHLer with their 11 selections. Sham whiffs on the majority of his picks too, but unearths Matt Stajan in the late 2nd round and Max Talbot in the 7th. As an aside, this was my absolute favourite thing I discovered while doing this project: the guy Vancouver actually drafted in the 7th round, 214th overall, was a guy by the name of Marc-Andre Roy. You'll notice that he played 58 games in his draft year, had no goals, and just one assist. So why did Brian Burke's Vancouver Canucks waste a pick on that coke machine? I bet it had something to do with this: Yes, those are SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE minutes in penalties in just 68 games. According to Hockeyfights.com, Roy had 41 fighting majors that year, which account for a total of 205 of those penalty minutes. I don't know how one accrues 448 extra PIMs without fighting, but I assume it involves criminal activity, human sacrifice, and satanic worship at centre ice. Thing is, Roy wasn't the only super-ultra-mega goon roaming the QMJHL back then. I came across quite a few guys with massive PIM totals running through this study. I don't know much about Q hockey in the early 2000's, but I have to assume it was a total gong show. 2003 The 2003 draft is legendary for the sheer number of quality picks that the first and second rounds produced. However, it wasn't a really deep draft as the number of late round successes were kind of limited. Sham misses Ryan Kesler here, but picks up future ex-Flyers captain Mike Richards, as well as Clarke MacArthur. Under Sham's drafting, Brad Richardson also starts his Vancouver Canuck tenure a decade sooner than he would in real life. 2004 The 2004 draft is probably the crown jewel of the Delorme Era. Vancouver's gamble on a goalie in the first round paid off, and Delorme and Co. also discovered future NHL regulars Alex Edler, Jannik Hansen, and Mike Brown. Sham takes Brandon Dubinsky over Cory Schneider and Liam Reddox (who somehow managed to sneak in 100 career NHL games...?) instead of Edler, but almost had Kris Versteeg in the 4th round instead of Peter Pohl. Versteeg has 49 points to Pohl's 50, but did so in fewer games. If Sham was allowed to use points per game, he does not pass up Versteeg. But alas, Sham is not allowed to think, so we're left to wonder what could have been. A MacArthur-Dubinsky-Versteeg 3rd line in 2011? That would have been something. 2005 I never like bringing up 2005 because of the circumstances surrounding the Luc Bourdon selection. Looking back though, I was pretty stoked about him, but disappointed that Vancouver passed on the great big goofy looking guy with the funny name from the country that no one had ever heard of. I have an Anze Kopitar Kings jersey, and I get filled with regret looking at it knowing that Vancouver was this close to drafting the guy I'd decided was going to be one of my favourite players. Granted, Sham whiffs on Kopitar too and takes Marek Freaking Zagrapan 10th overall. What the hell, Sham. You were awful in 2005. Next year, take a GOOD OL' CANADIAN BOY in the first round instead. 2006 Claude Giroux. Ron Delorme and Co. cost Vancouver Claude Giroux. I mean, this would make foregoing the 2004 haul worth it on its own. The obvious, unthinking choice in 2006 was Claude Giroux at 14th overall. And they still screwed it up. 2007 2007 was the trainwreck year. Not a single player drafted by the Canucks even made the American Hockey League, let alone coming close to sniffing the NHL. Unfortunately, Sham is unable to make anything from this mess either. Just to prove he's not infallible, Sham also passes on dynamic Lewiston MAINEiacs sniper David Perron, but in favour of Brett MacLean instead of Patrick White. Eugh. At least MacLean had played 18 more NHL games than Vancouver's entire actual 2007 draft class. 2008 In his first draft under Sham Sharron's guidance, Mike Gillis saves himself a lot of grief and selects Tyler Ennis 10th overall. He'll fit right in on the second line with Claude Giroux and Jason Pominville. Or maybe he'll take Justin Williams' spot on line 1 with the Sedins. Or maybe he'll fill a checking role in place of one of the MacArthur-Richards-Burrows line. Or maybe he can just tear up the AHL with Mathieu Perreault since we already have Matt Stajan, Brandon Dubinsky and Max Talbot on line 4... *sobs uncontrollably* 2009 Neither Sham nor Delorme have a banner year. Sham misses Ryan O'Reilly by one point, but Taylor Beck, Linden Vey, and Phil Varone all go on to form a very strong core of a good AHL team. By the time 2013-2014 rolls around, all are nearing NHL readiness scoring nearly a point-per-game in the AHL, but are being held back because of Vancouver's absurd depth at forward. 2010 Despite no draft picks until the 4th round, Sham finds Brendan Gallagher and this is just getting silly. Vancouver has 4 first lines and probably multiple Stanley Cups at this point and Sham is hailed as the greatest hockey mind to ever live. We erect a statue in his honour for finally drafting MOAR GIANTZZZ. 2011 We're getting into "too early to call who's better" territory now. Basically everyone in these two drafts is still a prospect. That being said, I'd take Sham's top-3 picks over Vancouver's because Prince, Catenacci, and Pageau probably have a better shot of one of them developing into an above-average NHL player than Jensen, Honzik, and Grenier do. But hey, you never know. Also, Sham allows Vancouver to benefit from Ondrej Palat's extremely fluky development which is just gravy at this point. 2012 This is Ron Delorme's final year as the director of amateur scouting for the Vancouver Canucks, and it's too soon to tell if he's defeated Sham in his last hurrah. I tend to think not, because I prefer Bozon, Gordon, and Smith to Mallet, Hutton, and Myron, but Ben Hutton looks like he could swing that in Delorme's favour. With his stellar draft record, Sham is retained as the Canucks' head of amateur scouting and is allowed the 2013 NHL entry draft as well. 2013 I prefer Mantha to Horvat despite the age concerns, and I like Bjorkstrand far more than Cassels, but I'm torn on Petan/Shinkaruk. Greg Chase could prove to be a good pick in round 6, so I give the early nod to Sham's most recent draft over the Canucks' actual one, but that's open for plenty of debate, especially if Bo Horvat does defy the odds and become a Bergeron-type two-way force at the NHL level. As each and every one of you knows, I'm skeptical though. CONCLUSION So who did better, Vancouver's actual scouting staff or our friend Sham who restricted himself to just one year of goal data in just the CHL and watched exactly none of the games? Well, here are all the guys who have played one or more full seasons worth of games drafted by each group: If Vancouver never kept a single amateur scout on staff, never paid any attention to junior hockey anywhere in the world, never watched a single game, never did any in-depth research, never prepared for the draft for more than three hours each year, and simply took the next highest scoring CHL forward with every selection they had, they would have drafted over 4000 more games of future NHL experience, nearly 1000 more goals, and over 1500 more assists than they did under the Ron Delorme regime. Vancouver's scouting since 2000 has not just been useless, it's been a cataclysmic failure on all fronts, and probably the single largest reason why the Canucks have not been able to accrue enough assets to build a perennial Stanley Cup contender. This study was hardly in-depth. The methods for selecting players were extremely straightforward and comically simplistic. No shred of information that wasn't already available at the time was used. There were still massive whiffs under this system. Good players were still passed up and first-round busts were still selected. Yet it outperformed the actual Canucks draft record to a degree that shouldn't be possible, both in terms of player quality and player quantity. The knowledge and opinions of a scout are only worthwhile if they can outperform any idiot with access to the internet. Vancouver has proven definitively that their scouts have been entirely worthless since Ron Delorme took over the gig in 2000, since they haven't been able to outperform what an idiot with the internet would have done. You, reader, could have done the job better than the professionals. It's now up to the professionals to figure out how to get their competitive edge back. Let's hope it starts this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Here's a fun little exercise and read from last year that illustrates the point of just how bad the Ron Delorme era was. Sorry for the length but I can't figure out how to get the tables to show up in the spoiler box. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll hurl. Spoiler: it's even worse than you think. http://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem Canucks Army blogger Sham Sharron vs Ron Delorme: Sham will not pick and choose his draft selections. He has no access to game tape, he has seen no games, and he has no fancy stats or analytics to aid his decision. He will select all players by the following rules: All players selected will be from the Canadian Hockey League. Goalies are voodoo, they will not be selected at any time. Defensemen are voodoo, they will not be selected at any time. The Canucks' selection will be the player still on the draft board that scored the most points in their 17 year old CHL season that was for-realsies taken between Vancouver's selection and Vancouver's subsequent selection. No other information other than the total number of points a player had in his 17-year old season (his first year of draft eligibility) is considered. This information was freely available at the time each draft was held. Ties are broken on the basis of points per game. Starting with the 2000 NHL entry draft, here's how Ron Delorme and his crew got their asses handed to them by Fake Intern Sham Sharron: 2000 Sham and Ron agree on Brandon Reid in the 7th round, but Sham finds top-6 winger and Corsi God Justin Williams at 23rd overall. Vancouver finds 26 pointless games of Nathan Smith. 2001 Vancouver did well in 2001, finding two impact pros in Kevin Bieksa and R.J. Umberger. However, Sham managed to find future 3-time 30-goal scorer Jason Pominville to compliment the Sedins and Kyle Wellwood and P-A Parenteau to supplement Vancouver's depth. As we'll see though, Wellwood is eventually forced out of Vancouver's system by some even better talent at C. I'm Gladskikh the Canucks avoided that awkward situation. 2002 '02 was a disaster for Vancouver, as they failed to find a single NHLer with their 11 selections. Sham whiffs on the majority of his picks too, but unearths Matt Stajan in the late 2nd round and Max Talbot in the 7th. As an aside, this was my absolute favourite thing I discovered while doing this project: the guy Vancouver actually drafted in the 7th round, 214th overall, was a guy by the name of Marc-Andre Roy. You'll notice that he played 58 games in his draft year, had no goals, and just one assist. So why did Brian Burke's Vancouver Canucks waste a pick on that coke machine? I bet it had something to do with this: Yes, those are SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE minutes in penalties in just 68 games. According to Hockeyfights.com, Roy had 41 fighting majors that year, which account for a total of 205 of those penalty minutes. I don't know how one accrues 448 extra PIMs without fighting, but I assume it involves criminal activity, human sacrifice, and satanic worship at centre ice. Thing is, Roy wasn't the only super-ultra-mega goon roaming the QMJHL back then. I came across quite a few guys with massive PIM totals running through this study. I don't know much about Q hockey in the early 2000's, but I have to assume it was a total gong show. 2003 The 2003 draft is legendary for the sheer number of quality picks that the first and second rounds produced. However, it wasn't a really deep draft as the number of late round successes were kind of limited. Sham misses Ryan Kesler here, but picks up future ex-Flyers captain Mike Richards, as well as Clarke MacArthur. Under Sham's drafting, Brad Richardson also starts his Vancouver Canuck tenure a decade sooner than he would in real life. 2004 The 2004 draft is probably the crown jewel of the Delorme Era. Vancouver's gamble on a goalie in the first round paid off, and Delorme and Co. also discovered future NHL regulars Alex Edler, Jannik Hansen, and Mike Brown. Sham takes Brandon Dubinsky over Cory Schneider and Liam Reddox (who somehow managed to sneak in 100 career NHL games...?) instead of Edler, but almost had Kris Versteeg in the 4th round instead of Peter Pohl. Versteeg has 49 points to Pohl's 50, but did so in fewer games. If Sham was allowed to use points per game, he does not pass up Versteeg. But alas, Sham is not allowed to think, so we're left to wonder what could have been. A MacArthur-Dubinsky-Versteeg 3rd line in 2011? That would have been something. 2005 I never like bringing up 2005 because of the circumstances surrounding the Luc Bourdon selection. Looking back though, I was pretty stoked about him, but disappointed that Vancouver passed on the great big goofy looking guy with the funny name from the country that no one had ever heard of. I have an Anze Kopitar Kings jersey, and I get filled with regret looking at it knowing that Vancouver was this close to drafting the guy I'd decided was going to be one of my favourite players. Granted, Sham whiffs on Kopitar too and takes Marek Freaking Zagrapan 10th overall. What the hell, Sham. You were awful in 2005. Next year, take a GOOD OL' CANADIAN BOY in the first round instead. 2006 Claude Giroux. Ron Delorme and Co. cost Vancouver Claude Giroux. I mean, this would make foregoing the 2004 haul worth it on its own. The obvious, unthinking choice in 2006 was Claude Giroux at 14th overall. And they still screwed it up. 2007 2007 was the trainwreck year. Not a single player drafted by the Canucks even made the American Hockey League, let alone coming close to sniffing the NHL. Unfortunately, Sham is unable to make anything from this mess either. Just to prove he's not infallible, Sham also passes on dynamic Lewiston MAINEiacs sniper David Perron, but in favour of Brett MacLean instead of Patrick White. Eugh. At least MacLean had played 18 more NHL games than Vancouver's entire actual 2007 draft class. 2008 In his first draft under Sham Sharron's guidance, Mike Gillis saves himself a lot of grief and selects Tyler Ennis 10th overall. He'll fit right in on the second line with Claude Giroux and Jason Pominville. Or maybe he'll take Justin Williams' spot on line 1 with the Sedins. Or maybe he'll fill a checking role in place of one of the MacArthur-Richards-Burrows line. Or maybe he can just tear up the AHL with Mathieu Perreault since we already have Matt Stajan, Brandon Dubinsky and Max Talbot on line 4... *sobs uncontrollably* 2009 Neither Sham nor Delorme have a banner year. Sham misses Ryan O'Reilly by one point, but Taylor Beck, Linden Vey, and Phil Varone all go on to form a very strong core of a good AHL team. By the time 2013-2014 rolls around, all are nearing NHL readiness scoring nearly a point-per-game in the AHL, but are being held back because of Vancouver's absurd depth at forward. 2010 Despite no draft picks until the 4th round, Sham finds Brendan Gallagher and this is just getting silly. Vancouver has 4 first lines and probably multiple Stanley Cups at this point and Sham is hailed as the greatest hockey mind to ever live. We erect a statue in his honour for finally drafting MOAR GIANTZZZ. 2011 We're getting into "too early to call who's better" territory now. Basically everyone in these two drafts is still a prospect. That being said, I'd take Sham's top-3 picks over Vancouver's because Prince, Catenacci, and Pageau probably have a better shot of one of them developing into an above-average NHL player than Jensen, Honzik, and Grenier do. But hey, you never know. Also, Sham allows Vancouver to benefit from Ondrej Palat's extremely fluky development which is just gravy at this point. 2012 This is Ron Delorme's final year as the director of amateur scouting for the Vancouver Canucks, and it's too soon to tell if he's defeated Sham in his last hurrah. I tend to think not, because I prefer Bozon, Gordon, and Smith to Mallet, Hutton, and Myron, but Ben Hutton looks like he could swing that in Delorme's favour. With his stellar draft record, Sham is retained as the Canucks' head of amateur scouting and is allowed the 2013 NHL entry draft as well. 2013 I prefer Mantha to Horvat despite the age concerns, and I like Bjorkstrand far more than Cassels, but I'm torn on Petan/Shinkaruk. Greg Chase could prove to be a good pick in round 6, so I give the early nod to Sham's most recent draft over the Canucks' actual one, but that's open for plenty of debate, especially if Bo Horvat does defy the odds and become a Bergeron-type two-way force at the NHL level. As each and every one of you knows, I'm skeptical though. CONCLUSION So who did better, Vancouver's actual scouting staff or our friend Sham who restricted himself to just one year of goal data in just the CHL and watched exactly none of the games? Well, here are all the guys who have played one or more full seasons worth of games drafted by each group: If Vancouver never kept a single amateur scout on staff, never paid any attention to junior hockey anywhere in the world, never watched a single game, never did any in-depth research, never prepared for the draft for more than three hours each year, and simply took the next highest scoring CHL forward with every selection they had, they would have drafted over 4000 more games of future NHL experience, nearly 1000 more goals, and over 1500 more assists than they did under the Ron Delorme regime. Vancouver's scouting since 2000 has not just been useless, it's been a cataclysmic failure on all fronts, and probably the single largest reason why the Canucks have not been able to accrue enough assets to build a perennial Stanley Cup contender. This study was hardly in-depth. The methods for selecting players were extremely straightforward and comically simplistic. No shred of information that wasn't already available at the time was used. There were still massive whiffs under this system. Good players were still passed up and first-round busts were still selected. Yet it outperformed the actual Canucks draft record to a degree that shouldn't be possible, both in terms of player quality and player quantity. The knowledge and opinions of a scout are only worthwhile if they can outperform any idiot with access to the internet. Vancouver has proven definitively that their scouts have been entirely worthless since Ron Delorme took over the gig in 2000, since they haven't been able to outperform what an idiot with the internet would have done. You, reader, could have done the job better than the professionals. It's now up to the professionals to figure out how to get their competitive edge back. Let's hope it starts this year. That is GOOD. Also consider the financial savings of not needing a scouting staff at all for 14 years. No salaries, no fuel expenses, no motel rooms in Moose Jaw. That would make Mr. Aquilini very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Here's a fun little exercise and read from last year that illustrates the point of just how bad the Ron Delorme era was. Sorry for the length but I can't figure out how to get the tables to show up in the spoiler box. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll hurl. Spoiler: it's even worse than you think. http://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem That was beautiful. I wonder if a bunch of randoms on CDC could've done better than the Canucks scouting staff in those years. I wonder how this would stack up against other teams, because the Canucks have traditionally had one of the worst draft records around in the past fifteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Well Dawg, that's a pretty damning indictment right there. Before now I can't think of a single post on CDC that I ever thought was worthy of being brought to the managements attention but you may have just changed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 well,,,Benning should fire Delorme and quit..loli was thinking switch roles for a season. Be interesting to see a scout make the picks instead of the GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Because the Chief is a made man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Simple explanation, really. Hockey Gods punishing folk(BC'ers) for living in the most beautiful corner of the globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Being a 'Nucklehead is about more than winning or losing anyway. A lot more. And The Chief has been a proud 'Nucklehead for 35 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The reason Ron Delorme is here is because he has done his job to the best of his ability every year he's been on it. As a former Canuck and real good guy, he's welcome to be on the staff for as long as he likes. People assume that just anyone off the street is an upgrade. That would be false, of course. It is ridiculous what fans believe at times, but that comes with expectations that are just too high every season. People need to relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChwkCanux Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Ironically the post questioning actual scouts vs. non scouts reminds me of Brad Pitt firing a scout in Moneyball and handing the job to some random guy instead. So, Billy Beane should GM the Canucks then? Am I allowed to say Moneyball on the Canucks forum without being tarred and feathered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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