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via Elliotte Friedman 30 thoughts

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-canucks-bieksa-deserves-better/

You could see the frustration on Canucks GM Jim Benning, who badly wanted to add a second-round draft pick.

You could see the frustration on agent Kurt Overhardt, standing at the fence that separated the team tables from everybody else at the BB&T Center in Sunrise, FL.

You could feel the frustration from almost 6,000 kilometres away, as Kevin Bieksa waited for his NHL future to unfold.

Overhardt would not comment, despite multiple attempts to ask the same question in different ways. Benning said, "I've been in contact with Kevin every step of the way and have been honest. He understands our position and well try to do whats right for (him)."

It was revealed Friday morning that Bieksa agreed to waive his no-trade clause for San Jose. But the Sharks and Canucks failed to consummate a deal, with the two sides disagreeing on what year Vancouver would receive a second-round draft pick. And, even if Doug Wilson succeeded on holding off until 2016, the Canucks wanted something they could use in the last 48 hours. Wilson is tough to close a trade with, a strategy that makes other teams crazy.

(Curtis Pashelka of The San Jose Mercury News quoted the GM as saying he needed that 39th selection to trade up and get defenceman Jeremy Roy. He accomplished this goal, moving up eight spots in a deal with Colorado.)

According to a couple of different sources, three entities Bieksa/Overhardt, the Canucks and the Sharks were working on this for at least a week and probably longer. In fact, the player recently visited the San Jose area with his family to look at houses.

Knowing that, it's incredible this didn't work out. Everyone involved had plenty of time to understand the parameters. As you can imagine, there's a lot of private disgust.

There were reports the trade fell apart because Bieksa wanted an extension. An executive for another team guessed it would end up in the area of three years and $12M. One player, furious at how this unfolded, said it was important to the defenceman because he did not want to uproot his family twice in two years. It doesn't sound like that was the deal-breaker here, unless Wilson vacillated as cover for not liking the idea.

The Canucks are hurt the most, not getting what they hoped from a potential trade. Benning is a scout first and foremost. He badly wanted a second-rounder. When someone with his expertise desires that, it's for good reason. (Funny how last year, he was praised for draft manoeuvres. Now, the fan base is all over him. Vancouver turns quickly.)

There's still a lot of interest in Bieksa, with approximately 10 teams having shown some desire to acquire him. He may be disappointed now, but there's still an opportunity for a soft landing. He deserves it.

Fire everywhere. Wilson and the Sharks essentially screwed us over. Juice waived and there most likely was a deal in place and they backed out last minute. Reports say they wanted to switch this years 2nd for next years but JB wouldn't budge and neither would San Jose. Sucks because now we're in the awkward situation with Juice even though it was the Sharks fault.

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"That's going in, he said. The market dictates it. Johnny Boychuk went for two second-round picks. Kevin is a little bit older, but that's what our asking price was and I don't think it's too much. I think it's fair and that's what we were trying to get"

Well JB bluntly tells what he was looking in return for Bieksa. Price is fair and although Juice is not the player Boychuk is, that's the value he has especially to a division rival.

I'm just concerned he doesn't pull off a MG. Demanding too much then being forced to take the deal at the end which isn't nearly as good and getting a less than satisfactory return. Think he'll ultimately settle for a 2nd and 3rd or a 2nd/3rd and a prospect. Either way, like he didn't budge his price this early on especially to a division rival that wouldn't give up a 2nd in this years draft. Plenty of time to make a deal whether it be before the season or trade deadline...the demand will only go higher.

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The snarl was on our end buddy. I think they were offering two years to Bieksa and he wanted 4.

Either that or the pick was the wrong year.

Or both.

Friedman saying it was the pick. Contract thing is just a smoke screen. San Jose said they'd trade their 2nd this year and after Juice agreed to waive they said they'll give a 2nd next year at the last second.

Makes sense JB and the Canucks never budged. We're giving one of our best leaders ever to a division rival. There's a luxury tax to do that and it's to pay the premium. We're giving a heart and soul player who will now and make a difference asap and hurt us with his loss and improve our rivals. It's sensible a 2015 2nd be given as a now acquisition for a now player in Bieksa.

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Friedman saying it was the pick. Contract thing is just a smoke screen. San Jose said they'd trade their 2nd this year and after Juice agreed to waive they said they'll give a 2nd next year at the last second.

Makes sense JB and the Canucks never budged. We're giving one of our best leaders ever to a division rival. There's a luxury tax to do that and it's to pay the premium. We're giving a heart and soul player who will now and make a difference asap and hurt us with his loss and improve our rivals. It's sensible a 2015 2nd be given as a now acquisition for a now player in Bieksa.

On the other hand, there is a definite logjam when it comes to defense. Corrado is NOT waiver exempt.

Might have just been better to trade Bieksa for someone else - even if it was a prospect that SJ was giving up on.

Makes you wonder if Juulsen should've been drafted instead of Boeser. Juulsen looks up to Bieksa. Would it be awkward to draft him and trade Bieksa too?

Boeser is a good pick, but I wonder if Juulsen should've been drafted instead.

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I never know who to believe haha.

If anyone should be disappointed it would be two GM's who by this report were working on a trade for some time, not to complete it must be frustrating. Bieksa will be dealt, he will get an extension and have his money. I can see Vancouver's disappointment in not getting the 15' 2nd rounder. So San Jose changed things and " suddenly " wanted the 2nd to be in 16' ?

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Why does he want to go to SJ so bad with a mediocre team like the Canucks?

Why not join his buddy Kesler in Anahiem on a real contender?

Did he have a falling out with Kesler or is Anahiem just not interested?

Looks like Canucks are gonna find it hard to make moves this summer and create cap space.

Bieksa and Higgins should be gone in the the summer no point keeping either of them need to clear space for the young guys if not making any bigger moves.

Matt Bartowski still in play for Canucks? Or how about sign Matt Irvin from Sharks BC Boy and try to get back at them.

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On the other hand, there is a definite logjam when it comes to defense. Corrado is NOT waiver exempt.

Might have just been better to trade Bieksa for someone else - even if it was a prospect that SJ was giving up on.

JB have Free agency to trade him if roster spot is definitely needed. Teams will get desperate if they see their division improve significantly through FA. May be able to get a two seconds or a second and a third for Bieska.

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Why does he want to go to SJ so bad with a mediocre team like the Canucks?

Why not join his buddy Kesler in Anahiem on a real contender?

Did he have a falling out with Kesler or is Anahiem just not interested?

Ducks defense is set, they don't need anyone and especially not a $4m Bieksa.

Juice waived for SJ because it's close to home here in Vancouver and he won't be far from his family. There's reported 10+ teams interested and so far he only gave the green light to the Sharks since there was a supposed deal in place.

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Well now that the 2015 draft is over the next best thing is a 2016 2nd pick so I still think he'll go to sj before July 1st.....or anywhere the Canucks can't wait after all ufa defenseman get signed

They traded there 2016 2nd in order to move up to draft Roy.....

I would assume San Jose is still the number one spot but now i guess we need to take a prospect

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JB have Free agency to trade him if roster spot is definitely needed. Teams will get desperate if they see their division improve significantly through FA. May be able to get a two seconds or a second and a third for Bieska.

That's probably true too.

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Why does he want to go to SJ so bad with a mediocre team like the Canucks?

Why not join his buddy Kesler in Anahiem on a real contender?

Did he have a falling out with Kesler or is Anahiem just not interested?

Looks like Canucks are gonna find it hard to make moves this summer and create cap space.

Bieksa and Higgins should be gone in the the summer no point keeping either of them need to clear space for the young guys if not making any bigger moves.

Matt Bartowski still in play for Canucks? Or how about sign Matt Irvin from Sharks BC Boy and try to get back at them.

No chance Matt Irwin is gonna be let go by SJ. He's really good and on a cheap contract.

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I would give him to San Jose for their 2nd next year and like a 4th or something

Still lots of time to pull that off, we only needed to make the trade before the draft of it was for a pick in this years draft.... Right?

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No chance Matt Irwin is gonna be let go by SJ. He's really good and on a cheap contract.

Matt Irwin was in the coach's doghouse, new coach should gie him a better opportunity, 30 pts this season ?

Would be solid player to have on the Canucks defense, but move Bieksa and a bubble dman to create a spot.

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