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What bothers be about what I witnessed from our management team in the days leading up to and during draft day were things like:

- Announcing publicly that they were going to trade one of the goalies. Why the need to publicly do this as any negotiating partner now has the advantage. And if it's not the value he believed it should be, then why do the deal? Did he really have to trade Eddie on draft day?

Everyone in the league knew that either Eddie or Markstrom had to go because JM would be snagged on waivers next year. Publically admitting that doesn't hurt your position when anyone in the league can see it plain as day.

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Can we stahp calling ourselves Detroit one of these years?

And also STAHHPP looking at Detroit as the class of the NHL still?!

Or just stop trying to model the team after other teams/trends?

Been saying it since Gillis started changing his plans to model after Boston. Don't follow trends, set them. That's what Chicago, LA, Detroit (way back when :P ), New Jersey (way way way wayyyy back when) did. They didn't follow some other model.

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Been preaching this for a while, I sure hope it happens, i do think we are more than 5 yrs from being a contender though

Our best prospect is Horvat in 5 yrs

Horvat -24

Tanev-29

Edler 34

Cassels -24

Mcann -23

Virtanen -23

Demko -23

Shink-25

Beartschi-27

Kass-29

Boesser- 23

Gaunce -25

Who knows if Jensen, Grenier, vey, Hutton, Corrado, Clendening, Subban and tryamkin will amount to but we have great depth, just lacking that franchise 1D and maybe that 1C.

In 5 yrs that core is still 3 yrs from it's prime. We do have to have a draft where we unload vets for picks otherwise we will spread out the rebuild over too long a time.

We still need a 1D

I think we will have a power forward or two in 5 years time (Boesser, Virtanen, Kass) but if we are going to truly contend for a cup in 5 years, where are: our first and second line dominating centers (like a Tavares, Crosby, Seguin or even Kesler); where is our PMD (like a Doughty, Keith, Suter, Seabrook or PK Suban); and where is our goal crease clearing D (like a Chara, Weber or Pronger). I think (unfortunately) that we won't have another shot at the SC Final for closer to 10 years, as there are too many holes to fill and few assets to trade to acquire them aside from patient drafting.

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Been preaching this for a while, I sure hope it happens, i do think we are more than 5 yrs from being a contender though

Our best prospect is Horvat in 5 yrs

Horvat -24

Tanev-29

Edler 34

Cassels -24

Mcann -23

Virtanen -23

Demko -23

Shink-25

Beartschi-27

Kass-29

Boesser- 23

Gaunce -25

Who knows if Jensen, Grenier, vey, Hutton, Corrado, Clendening, Subban and tryamkin will amount to but we have great depth, just lacking that franchise 1D and maybe that 1C.

In 5 yrs that core is still 3 yrs from it's prime. We do have to have a draft where we unload vets for picks otherwise we will spread out the rebuild over too long a time.

We still need a 1D

Agree with analysis. This is a likely looking core and there will be good depth in the system as well. Of course trades may occur as well. And Henrik and Daniel could still be around as low-cost vets who can still be dangerous on the PP or on a second line.

I also agree that the big needs are 1C and/or 1D, especially 1D. And the best way to get franchise 1D or 1C is with a high draft pick, preferably in 2016.

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Everyone in the league knew that either Eddie or Markstrom had to go because JM would be snagged on waivers next year. Publically admitting that doesn't hurt your position when anyone in the league can see it plain as day.

That part is fine because Ottawa pretty much said Lehner or Anderson would get traded. The dumb part was Benning saying that he was expecting a 2nd round pick in this year's draft.

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I think we will have a power forward or two in 5 years time (Boesser, Virtanen, Kass) but if we are going to truly contend for a cup in 5 years, where are: our first and second line dominating centers (like a Tavares, Crosby, Seguin or even Kesler); where is our PMD (like a Doughty, Keith, Suter, Seabrook or PK Suban); and where is our goal crease clearing D (like a Chara, Weber or Pronger). I think (unfortunately) that we won't have another shot at the SC Final for closer to 10 years, as there are too many holes to fill and few assets to trade to acquire them aside from patient drafting.

25 teams are looking for all of the above.

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What bothers be about what I witnessed from our management team in the days leading up to and during draft day were things like:

- Announcing publicly that they were going to trade one of the goalies. Why the need to publicly do this as any negotiating partner now has the advantage. And if it's not the value he believed it should be, then why do the deal? Did he really have to trade Eddie on draft day?

- Announcing publicly before and at the draft that "they were trying to recover picks" and "hoping" to get a second rounder. Our chief scout GM needs to learn the art of keeping your cards close to the vest so as to not put himself in a position of weakness.

- If they're in a rebuilding mode,and clearly they are, then why wouldn't they even consider going after a 22-year old potential franchise d-man in Hamilton. But to not even talk to the Bruins about him seems absurd and doesn't jive with a team that's rebuilding.

- If reports are true and they'd been talking to the Sharks about the framework of a Bieksa deal for close to a month, how is it possible that come draft day there's a disageement on the year that 3rd round pick was to be for. Yes it may be all on Wilson, but then again maybe not.

Just little things I know, but the still bug me.

These are things I thought exactly. Benning would be an absolutely terrible poker player. We as fans aren't entitled to know every stinking little detail to the point where doing that compromises the goals. I doubt they were trying to contrast to Gillis which is the only reason I could see them having for spilling all the beans

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Everyone in the league knew that either Eddie or Markstrom had to go because JM would be snagged on waivers next year. Publically admitting that doesn't hurt your position when anyone in the league can see it plain as day.

Exactly and him coming out and saying he wanted to get a 2nd round pick probably got some teams talking about Eddie when there were none. He probably had 0 interest in any of our goalies. If its true that the only offer was from Carolina, that's probably pretty good seeing as there was much more media coverage and talk about Talbot and he only went for slightly more than Eddie.

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Anyone else feel trolled by Benning after Bieksa gets dealt right after?!

Nope. The deals done and it's the best deal we could get for a 34 year old with 1 year left on contract as well as an ntc. I would like to see another gm do better.
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Benning won't be bringing on any long term contracts and I highly doubt Franson comes to Vancouver. Cap space is an issue if we plan on resigning Baertschi, Clendening and Corrado. Not to mention they are still in contact with Webers agent.

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Nope. The deals done and it's the best deal we could get for a 34 year old with 1 year left on contract as well as an ntc. I would like to see another gm do better.

Happy with the trade, curious to see what he gets with the extension that could be the kicker...I was thinking more along the lines of the fact he knew he was going to be traded and kept it cool the whole time

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I'm fine with the team being really bad for a season.

The thing that scares me though is that I think Benning actually believes they can compete. And will make moves to try and help that cause.

Yeah the idea that Benning thinks of the group as constant playoff contenders is scary. I'm hoping he is only saying it to keep the season ticket holders, jaded bandwagoners and business partners happy.
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Yeah the idea that Benning thinks of the group as constant playoff contenders is scary. I'm hoping he is only saying it to keep the season ticket holders, jaded bandwagoners and business partners happy.

I think he said it last year during the playoffs that he wanted to give this group 1 more chance to do something. It obliviously didn't work out. I'm pretty confident that he is going to dump any and all of the older vets that he can. It's going to be scary how many 2016 draft picks the Nucks are going to have.

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Happy with the trade, curious to see what he gets with the extension that could be the kicker...I was thinking more along the lines of the fact he knew he was going to be traded and kept it cool the whole time

I see. That will be interesting. What happens if Anaheim is a one and done playoff team in 2016?I Doubt it happens, but that could come back as a nip in the butt for the Ducks. I see a short term in SoCal.
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25 teams are looking for all of the above.

I agree. I'm just stating what I think is necessary for success, as found by Chicago and LA. Back in 2010-2011, we were only one or two pieces away from the cup, now we are much further. Starting a re-build back in 2012 would have been better rather than trading draft picks for rentals. Ahh, hindsight is always 20-20.

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Benning wanted draft picks this year.... this draft was like a double rainbow all the way for him. If he was willing to accept picks for next year and/or players, he would have gotten a better deal. Also, Lack being a pending UFA diminished his value plus teams knew the Canucks were desperate to get rid of a goalie... if they played it cool they could have gotten a better deal. But Gillis played it cool with the Schneider trade but then everyone went wtf and the soap opera began... so I don't really know what people want anymore. Full disclosure, no disclosure, public honesty, public lying, public not saying anything...

So in other words, not only was he getting lowballed, he screwed up and didn't get the best value offered to him. Not sure that line of thought makes it better.

As I've said though, it doesn't even sound like San Jose had interest and Jones was one of if not their prime target. Why? How does that make sense? I understand the RFA status being an advantage, but is he really a better goalie?

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