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Hard to believe how much the goalie market has changed. The lu/Bert trade was bertuzzi Allen and change for luongo krajicek + (the fine details don't matter)...

Goalies these days don't get anywhere near that. Mind you this trade happened at the beginning of the salary cap Era. It's pretty crazy how much the game has evolved in such a short period of time.

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Then I'd say you haven't been a Nucklehead all that long...

Canucks fans are still basking in the afterglow of the greatest Canucks team ever put on a sheet of ice...I remember the dark days...when the word "playoffs" was uttered in shadows, & the Avalanche were one of the most feared teams ever to exist in the NHL, snatching up every Division title for 6 straight years?

I can't remember fully, it was too evil a time...

Rumour has it Mark Messier was once Captain of the Canucks....but no, not it can't be true!

Man that Avs team was stacked. I remember the first round against them in 96. Battle of the net minders. Patrick Roy vs. The great Cory Hirsch! Lol those Avs were stacked...

Sakic forsberg kamensky deadmarsh Foote and overtime hero uwe Krupp!! Coach crow! What a team lol... those Def were dark days

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Man that Avs team was stacked. I remember the first round against them in 96. Battle of the net minders. Patrick Roy vs. The great Cory Hirsch! Lol those Avs were stacked...

Sakic forsberg kamensky deadmarsh Foote and overtime hero uwe Krupp!! Coach crow! What a team lol... those Def were dark days

This is the classiest rebuttal I have seen on CDC. Koodos. :towel:

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While I admire your optimism and desire to look at the positives, there are some main difference between the 2006 era and now.

You had it right on the button, but your analysis went a little sidways

This is exactly what Vancouver's doing now.... our window on our current core is closed, and we know that. The difference between now and then, is the Canucks do not have the young guns yet to lead this team like we did back then. The Sedins right now are mentoring our young players until their ready to take over the reigns, same goes for Burrows, Higgins, Hamhuis, etc. Miller too. Miller is a huge key factor actually, more then you guys give him credit for You're all so hung up on Lack that you all forget about one key player. Jacob Markstrom. Remember when the Canucks acquired Luongo as our elite netminder? Well we don't have to get one. We already have one with the potential to be the next Luongo. Did any of you watch Utica's playoff run? If you did, you saw Markstrom make UNBELIEVABLE save after save. He carried this team on his shoulders to the Calder Cup Finals. No, he hasn't had success in the NHL.

The first part of your statement is true, but then you contract yourself by saying the Sedins are mentoring our young players. What young players? By the time our best prospects are regulars in the NHL the Sedins will most likely be retiring.

You said that Naslund, Morrison, Linden and Ohlund helped mold the 2011 core, and yes they did but you have to realize that the Sedins, Kesler, Burrow and Bieksa were already established NHL'ers by 2006-07, not still developing in the minors or in junior. McCann, Cassels, Shinkaruk and Gaunce are still not reading to be NHL regulars so what are the Sedins mentoring? Horvat? That's not enough.

This is where some Canucks fans are worried. We all understand that we need veterans to help mentor young players, but where are our young players? We traded away Kassian for a 31 year old, and while you can argue that frees up a RW spot that takes away a LW spot. You aren't subtracting any roster spots by trading away Kassian.

We were able to stay competitive and get younger because we offloaded our assets, for example Bertuzzi, when their value was greatest. This re-tool your are trying to coin should have happened at the end of 2011-12 or atleast 2012-13 after the Lockout, and not now. That retool in 2006 was proactive while this one seems forced and almost like damage control.

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Too much optimism and less focus on the apparent uncertainty...

The fact of the matter is we won't be competitive in the playoffs for at least 4-5 years..

We should have started rebuilding right after the Stanley cup finals fiasco..

The shorten season was a perfect opportunity

Frack being a Canucks fan is frustrating..

There never is certainty. Even if we did/do rebuild we still will never know if we'll turn out like Edmonton. And you think we shoulda blown up the team right after going to game 7 of the SCF? L O L

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ugh........ I hate hearing how this team needs old veterans to teach young players on leadership. You are either born a leader or your not. Having vets around doesn't do $&!# when it comes to leadership but having them their as guides to being an NHLer. So save the teaching leadership bs.

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Nice talking points but it isn't what's actually happening. We're moving out youngish players like Lack and Kassian at a greater rate than older ones like Bieksa. It's about a management team putting their personal stamp on the team, not rebuilding or retooling. We aren't getting younger and we're not trying to stay competitive. If it were the latter, we would have brought in another C but no, we're giving that to Vey.

Man, I used to make fun of the Sutter hillbillys running Calgary into the ground. Looks like its our turn now.

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As mich as this soeach about being competitive is nice, you said we dont have to tank to be competitive. Remind me what draft positions sedins were from would you?

All I've read for the last week and a half has been nothing but negativity on this board, and it's pathetic. I know Benning's made a couple questionable moves, and the Canucks are in no position to win anything right now. But you guys are completely missing the point. The point isn't to win right now. Benning knows we can't. Linden knows we can't. Hell, even the owners know we can't. But that's not what we're trying to accomplish. Don't any of you get it? We're not winning NOW. We're rebuilding, albeit not your standard rebuild, but it's what we're doing whether you want to admit it or not. You know what, we've been in this exact same situation very recently too. TBT time, to 2006!

In 2005-2006, the season right after the lockout, the Canucks tried loading up veteran talent to make a run at the Stanley Cup that year. Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison, Linden, Jovanovski, Ohlund, Richard Park, and Anson Carter to name a couple. The Canucks had a few younger players in place too. The Sedin's, Burrows, Kesler, Salo, and Bieksa to name a few. What happened that year? Well, the WCE, which had been our core for years, they declined quite heavily. Part of it was the Moore fiasco obviously, but it marked the end of our cup window with the vets. We missed the playoffs by a slim margin, but it was apparent that they were done. The Canucks went into rebuilding mode that off season. Thing was, the Canucks had young players in place already that could lead this team to possible greatness, and they knew it, so they didn't have to build through the draft. First order of business was to get a young goalie with elite potential. They brought in Luongo, giving up a huge piece of our core in Todd Bertuzzi. They started building a defensive first game until our younger players could start contributing offensively, and thus the beginning of a new era started. Naslund, Morrison, and Linden stayed and mentored the twins, Kesler, Burrows, etc. The Canucks brought in stay at home defenseman Willie Mitchell, while Mattias Ohlund helped groom our D core. We suddenly got a lot YOUNGER.

What people forget was, this turn around did not happen overnight. In fact, there were a lot of growing pains. Luongo pretty much single handedly got us into the playoffs in 2006-07, and we missed all together in 2007-08. But our young core was getting progressively better, and it was showing. We didn't have to tank either, we stayed competitive in this time. The Sedin's became PPG players, Kesler became an amazing 2way player, Burrows found his offense, and Bieksa and Mitchell lead our D corps on the blue line. Nobody can forget 2008-09, almost a disastrous year. Naslund and Morrison left at free agency, and Linden retired, and the reigns were given to the Twins, Luongo, and Kesler as the new leaders on the team. They struggled a bit, but also played good too, until in January, where we hit an 8 game losing streak. AV was nearly fired, our season was nearly lost, and it looked bleak. What happened next... Alex Burrows scored short handed and snapped our skid, and suddenly we went on an insane tear and made the playoffs. The new core had finally found themselves. They had come together as the future of Vancouver hockey, and as we're all aware, eventually took the Canucks on one of the most memorable runs in BC history in 2011. They became the new core.

This is exactly what Vancouver's doing now.... our window on our current core is closed, and we know that. The difference between now and then, is the Canucks do not have the young guns yet to lead this team like we did back then. The Sedins right now are mentoring our young players until their ready to take over the reigns, same goes for Burrows, Higgins, Hamhuis, etc. Miller too. Miller is a huge key factor actually, more then you guys give him credit for You're all so hung up on Lack that you all forget about one key player. Jacob Markstrom. Remember when the Canucks acquired Luongo as our elite netminder? Well we don't have to get one. We already have one with the potential to be the next Luongo. Did any of you watch Utica's playoff run? If you did, you saw Markstrom make UNBELIEVABLE save after save. He carried this team on his shoulders to the Calder Cup Finals. No, he hasn't had success in the NHL. YET. But that's why we have Miller. Miller is going to do for Jacob what Lu did for Schnieder and develop him. Don't forget, Cory stunk too when he first hit the NHL scene. Miller is going to groom Markstrom into that number one goaltender. That's why we signed him in the first place, and many of you forget that. Eddie Lack never had and never will have elite potential in him. Markstrom does, and if he hits it, the Canucks are going to have one hell of a goaltender. Maybe even the next Luongo, or possibly better! Miller was never meant to lead us to the cup. Markstrom is. And if Markstrom fails, another name in the organization. Thatcher Demko.

Is this going to be easy? No, not at all. The Canucks are gong to struggle, and they will struggle hard. I see next year going a lot like 2008 even. But, 2006-2008 is what turned the Canucks into the team that was one win away from a cup. All of you criticize Benning, but fail to realize the huge mess he was left, and is working valiantly to fix it. Bieksa for a 2nd was a great trade, because he was heavily declining. The Kassian trade looks bad at first glance, but look at it deeper. Kassian was a lazy player who was never going to become anything with us. Trading him opens up a spot in the top 6 for somebody even younger who can become something! Brandon Prust is a leader who can mentor these kids as well. Lack needed to go, and he had very little value thanks to the crowded market. Briesbrois has the makings to be another 3rd round steal for Vancouver though, and can become the next Willie Mitchell one day. That day is a long time away, but we've got time. The rebuild in 06 started with trading Bertuzzi, and ours started with Kesler. We got a great return given how handcuffed we were with the trade options. Bo Horvat could even be a better Kesler one day, and Jared McCaan... that kid has potential.

So Canuck fans, be excited for the future we've got ahead. Horvat, Virtanen, McCaan, Baertschi, Gaunce, Markstrom, Clendenning, even Corrado and Shinkaruk. They're going to be something special one day. but we have to be patient with them. Rebuilds do not happen overnight. It is going to be long. It is going to be very painful. But, it is going to pave the way for an amazing core of young players who will become the heart of our team, the foundation of it. We do not need to tank either. The 2006-08 teams never did, and look where it got us. We can stay competitive, but we are still rebuilding. Have faith. The Sedin's, Burrows, Miller, etc. Are here to mentor our guys now while keeping us semi good so that these guys grow up in a good environment. It's going to be a long and very tough road, but stick it out. It's what being a fan is all about. Tough out the hard times. Calgary and Edmonton are gonna smack us around like they did in 06-08, and it's going to be tough to swallow, but we're going to be just as good in a few years time. Just be patient until then, and root for our boys now. Stick it out like true fans do, and cheer on our guys!

GCG!! :towel:

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Funny. We let Schroeder walk, no one complains. Trade Kassian for a tough guy, and everyone loses their minds.

Trevor said it well, we need experience, character and reliability. Sounds like that's what Prust will do. And it's only for one season.

We had a player who was damaged goods. If Prust gets moved at the trade deadline for a 2nd or 3rd rounder people won't complain as much.

The future looks good. It's just the current season looks gloomy.

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ugh........ I hate hearing how this team needs old veterans to teach young players on leadership. You are either born a leader or your not. Having vets around doesn't do crap when it comes to leadership but having them their as guides to being an NHLer. So save the teaching leadership bs.

I've never played jr hockey, although I did try out once. I'm pretty sure you haven't either. But, there is a hell of a difference between jr and the NHL. Just ask the Alexander Daigle's of the world. Or, look to the next Province and the Oilers, to see what a bit of leadership might have done to their young kids.

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Rebuilding while trying to make the playoffs every year in my opinion feels like being stuck in neutral. Maybe that is the so-called "Detroit model" but guess what, Detroit isn't and hasn't been a serious cup threat for 6 years and counting. Neither are the Canucks and they wont be until they rebuild for real.

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All I've read for the last week and a half has been nothing but negativity on this board, and it's pathetic. I know Benning's made a couple questionable moves, and the Canucks are in no position to win anything right now. But you guys are completely missing the point. The point isn't to win right now. Benning knows we can't. Linden knows we can't. Hell, even the owners know we can't. But that's not what we're trying to accomplish. Don't any of you get it? We're not winning NOW. We're rebuilding, albeit not your standard rebuild, but it's what we're doing whether you want to admit it or not. You know what, we've been in this exact same situation very recently too. TBT time, to 2006!

In 2005-2006, the season right after the lockout, the Canucks tried loading up veteran talent to make a run at the Stanley Cup that year. Naslund, Bertuzzi, Morrison, Linden, Jovanovski, Ohlund, Richard Park, and Anson Carter to name a couple. The Canucks had a few younger players in place too. The Sedin's, Burrows, Kesler, Salo, and Bieksa to name a few. What happened that year? Well, the WCE, which had been our core for years, they declined quite heavily. Part of it was the Moore fiasco obviously, but it marked the end of our cup window with the vets. We missed the playoffs by a slim margin, but it was apparent that they were done. The Canucks went into rebuilding mode that off season. Thing was, the Canucks had young players in place already that could lead this team to possible greatness, and they knew it, so they didn't have to build through the draft. First order of business was to get a young goalie with elite potential. They brought in Luongo, giving up a huge piece of our core in Todd Bertuzzi. They started building a defensive first game until our younger players could start contributing offensively, and thus the beginning of a new era started. Naslund, Morrison, and Linden stayed and mentored the twins, Kesler, Burrows, etc. The Canucks brought in stay at home defenseman Willie Mitchell, while Mattias Ohlund helped groom our D core. We suddenly got a lot YOUNGER.

What people forget was, this turn around did not happen overnight. In fact, there were a lot of growing pains. Luongo pretty much single handedly got us into the playoffs in 2006-07, and we missed all together in 2007-08. But our young core was getting progressively better, and it was showing. We didn't have to tank either, we stayed competitive in this time. The Sedin's became PPG players, Kesler became an amazing 2way player, Burrows found his offense, and Bieksa and Mitchell lead our D corps on the blue line. Nobody can forget 2008-09, almost a disastrous year. Naslund and Morrison left at free agency, and Linden retired, and the reigns were given to the Twins, Luongo, and Kesler as the new leaders on the team. They struggled a bit, but also played good too, until in January, where we hit an 8 game losing streak. AV was nearly fired, our season was nearly lost, and it looked bleak. What happened next... Alex Burrows scored short handed and snapped our skid, and suddenly we went on an insane tear and made the playoffs. The new core had finally found themselves. They had come together as the future of Vancouver hockey, and as we're all aware, eventually took the Canucks on one of the most memorable runs in BC history in 2011. They became the new core.

This is exactly what Vancouver's doing now.... our window on our current core is closed, and we know that. The difference between now and then, is the Canucks do not have the young guns yet to lead this team like we did back then. The Sedins right now are mentoring our young players until their ready to take over the reigns, same goes for Burrows, Higgins, Hamhuis, etc. Miller too. Miller is a huge key factor actually, more then you guys give him credit for You're all so hung up on Lack that you all forget about one key player. Jacob Markstrom. Remember when the Canucks acquired Luongo as our elite netminder? Well we don't have to get one. We already have one with the potential to be the next Luongo. Did any of you watch Utica's playoff run? If you did, you saw Markstrom make UNBELIEVABLE save after save. He carried this team on his shoulders to the Calder Cup Finals. No, he hasn't had success in the NHL. YET. But that's why we have Miller. Miller is going to do for Jacob what Lu did for Schnieder and develop him. Don't forget, Cory stunk too when he first hit the NHL scene. Miller is going to groom Markstrom into that number one goaltender. That's why we signed him in the first place, and many of you forget that. Eddie Lack never had and never will have elite potential in him. Markstrom does, and if he hits it, the Canucks are going to have one hell of a goaltender. Maybe even the next Luongo, or possibly better! Miller was never meant to lead us to the cup. Markstrom is. And if Markstrom fails, another name in the organization. Thatcher Demko.

Is this going to be easy? No, not at all. The Canucks are gong to struggle, and they will struggle hard. I see next year going a lot like 2008 even. But, 2006-2008 is what turned the Canucks into the team that was one win away from a cup. All of you criticize Benning, but fail to realize the huge mess he was left, and is working valiantly to fix it. Bieksa for a 2nd was a great trade, because he was heavily declining. The Kassian trade looks bad at first glance, but look at it deeper. Kassian was a lazy player who was never going to become anything with us. Trading him opens up a spot in the top 6 for somebody even younger who can become something! Brandon Prust is a leader who can mentor these kids as well. Lack needed to go, and he had very little value thanks to the crowded market. Briesbrois has the makings to be another 3rd round steal for Vancouver though, and can become the next Willie Mitchell one day. That day is a long time away, but we've got time. The rebuild in 06 started with trading Bertuzzi, and ours started with Kesler. We got a great return given how handcuffed we were with the trade options. Bo Horvat could even be a better Kesler one day, and Jared McCaan... that kid has potential.

So Canuck fans, be excited for the future we've got ahead. Horvat, Virtanen, McCaan, Baertschi, Gaunce, Markstrom, Clendenning, even Corrado and Shinkaruk. They're going to be something special one day. but we have to be patient with them. Rebuilds do not happen overnight. It is going to be long. It is going to be very painful. But, it is going to pave the way for an amazing core of young players who will become the heart of our team, the foundation of it. We do not need to tank either. The 2006-08 teams never did, and look where it got us. We can stay competitive, but we are still rebuilding. Have faith. The Sedin's, Burrows, Miller, etc. Are here to mentor our guys now while keeping us semi good so that these guys grow up in a good environment. It's going to be a long and very tough road, but stick it out. It's what being a fan is all about. Tough out the hard times. Calgary and Edmonton are gonna smack us around like they did in 06-08, and it's going to be tough to swallow, but we're going to be just as good in a few years time. Just be patient until then, and root for our boys now. Stick it out like true fans do, and cheer on our guys!

GCG!! :towel:

Very well said HC20.0!!

I have been critical of Benning regarding the Kassian trade but have recently heard some new information about his health issues. Several golf ball sized lumps on his back is a terrible indicator that he is going to have chronic back problems. Combine that with his other "issues" and the trade is making more sense.

I, like you, am keeping the faith.

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There's market value and what CDC sees as market value. Shockingly they aren't the same.

There's market value, there's what CDC sees as market value and then there's what benning has been able to garner in his trades.

And I might add 2 of his BIGGEST trades he's actually PAID teams to take assets from us.

Just thought I'd point that out.

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The OP described what ultimately didn't work for us, and it would not have gotten even that far if it weren't for the Sedins, who were drafted 2nd and 3rd overall.

I agree,we have some very good young players coming but I still don't see the first line talent. I also think we need to add to our defensive depth. My concern is that we could be good enough yet to make the play offs this year. We missed out on this years draft and I don't want to miss out on next years crop. Like this year we need to be in the top 10. I would blow it up this year and then use the money to bring in some UFA's over the next two years.

They need to be honest with the fans and just go for it.

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