Buddhas Hand Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Given how liberal and wayward the Episcopalians are, I'm surprised it took them this long to actually pass this. Thank God for ACNA! It's possible that Jesus was gay Was Jesus queer? We don't know. But it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out. One version of St. Mark's gospel - which is still the subject of academic dispute - alludes to Jesus having a homosexual relationship with a youth he raised from the dead. According to the US Biblical scholar, Morton Smith, of Columbia University, a fragment of manuscript he found at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, showed that the full text of St. Mark chapter 10 (between verses 34 and 35 in the standard version of the Bible) includes the passage: "And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God". The veracity of this manuscript is hotly contested by other Biblical scholars. This comes as no surprise. The revelation of a gay Jesus would undermine some of the most fundamental tenets of orthodox Christianity, including its rampant homophobia. But even if the text is genuine, does this ambiguous, elliptical passage offer evidence of Jesus's homosexuality? It is hard to say. The precise nature of the relationship between Christ and the youth is not spelled out. Sexual relations are suggested but not explicitly stated. The Morton Smith document is, in fact, irrelevant to the vexed issue of Christ's sexual orientation. What we can say for certain is that the standard, accepted Biblical narrative gives us no information at all about Jesus's sexuality. This absence of firm information does not, of course, mean that we can take it for granted that Christ was heterosexual. Far from it! The lack of information about his erotic inclinations begs more questions than it answers. The truth is that we simply don't know whether Jesus was straight, gay, bisexual or celibate. There is certainly no evidence for the Church's unspoken presumption that he was either heterosexual or devoid of carnal desires. Since nothing in the Bible points to Christ having erotic feelings for women, or relationships with the female sex, the possibility of him being gay cannot be discounted. In the absence of any evidence - let alone proof - that Jesus was heterosexual, the theological basis of Church homophobia is all the more shaky and indefensible. How can established religion dare denounce homosexuality when the founder of its faith was himself a man of mysterious, unknown sexuality who could, for all we know, have been homosexual? The Bible tells us that Jesus was born a man and therefore presumably had male sexual feelings. It would have been more or less impossible, biologically, for him not to have an element of erotic arousal - even if only having the normal male response of waking with an erection. http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's possible that Jesus was gay Was Jesus queer? We don't know. But it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out. One version of St. Mark's gospel - which is still the subject of academic dispute - alludes to Jesus having a homosexual relationship with a youth he raised from the dead. According to the US Biblical scholar, Morton Smith, of Columbia University, a fragment of manuscript he found at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, showed that the full text of St. Mark chapter 10 (between verses 34 and 35 in the standard version of the Bible) includes the passage: "And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God". The veracity of this manuscript is hotly contested by other Biblical scholars. This comes as no surprise. The revelation of a gay Jesus would undermine some of the most fundamental tenets of orthodox Christianity, including its rampant homophobia. But even if the text is genuine, does this ambiguous, elliptical passage offer evidence of Jesus's homosexuality? It is hard to say. The precise nature of the relationship between Christ and the youth is not spelled out. Sexual relations are suggested but not explicitly stated. The Morton Smith document is, in fact, irrelevant to the vexed issue of Christ's sexual orientation. What we can say for certain is that the standard, accepted Biblical narrative gives us no information at all about Jesus's sexuality. This absence of firm information does not, of course, mean that we can take it for granted that Christ was heterosexual. Far from it! The lack of information about his erotic inclinations begs more questions than it answers. The truth is that we simply don't know whether Jesus was straight, gay, bisexual or celibate. There is certainly no evidence for the Church's unspoken presumption that he was either heterosexual or devoid of carnal desires. Since nothing in the Bible points to Christ having erotic feelings for women, or relationships with the female sex, the possibility of him being gay cannot be discounted. In the absence of any evidence - let alone proof - that Jesus was heterosexual, the theological basis of Church homophobia is all the more shaky and indefensible. How can established religion dare denounce homosexuality when the founder of its faith was himself a man of mysterious, unknown sexuality who could, for all we know, have been homosexual? The Bible tells us that Jesus was born a man and therefore presumably had male sexual feelings. It would have been more or less impossible, biologically, for him not to have an element of erotic arousal - even if only having the normal male response of waking with an erection. http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm Jesus only did what God told him to do. Also, Jesus is coming back for his bride, the church. Considering that extramarital sex is for certain a sin, even if Jesus did feel an attraction to dudes at some point (which, the Bible says that Jesus experienced every temptation), the account wouldn't be and isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Jesus only did what God told him to do. Also, Jesus is coming back for his bride, the church. Considering that extramarital sex is for certain a sin, even if Jesus did feel an attraction to dudes at some point (which, the Bible says that Jesus experienced every temptation), the account wouldn't be and isn't true. jesus might have been gay jizzy , he certainly fits the profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 jesus might have been gay jizzy , he certainly fits the profile. And what profile would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 And what profile would that be? umm....the profile of a homosexual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 umm....the profile of a homosexual What characteristics did Jesus exert in order for you to think he's gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 What characteristics did Jesus exert in order for you to think he's gay? The son of God, a man that had the power to surround himself with hundreds of women choose 12 men to hang out with. 12 MALE Apostles. These 12 men all went by their full names. Nathaniel, Phillip, Andrew, Mathew, Thomas and so on. This is something that gay men are notorious for. If Judas was into women he would have gone by Jud. Mathew would have been Matt and Thomas would have been Tomm His first miracle of turning water into wine. Please, wine?! A straight male would have made that $&!# a Bud Light and called it a day. But Jesus had class and taste, he converted that H2O into Sauvignon Blanc Jerusalem Valley 26 AD. Poof! History states that he was a “craftsman” until the age of 30. Some say that this translates into a carpenter. But for the sake of my theory I am saying that a “craftsman” was really an interior designer. He was 30 and not married and in those days people probably got married at 15. He preached the importance of charity and loving one another. Powerful straight men start wars and pay for sex while their wives are at home with the kids. Jesus had the power to do anything that he wanted. If this man were a heterosexual male, the wrecker of everything sacred he would have created a machine gun or the stock market. But the son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, used his heavenly power to heal the sick and give vision to the blind http://thoughtcatalog.com/ronnie-hafmerb/2013/01/7-rea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 The son of God, a man that had the power to surround himself with hundreds of women choose 12 men to hang out with. 12 MALE Apostles.These 12 men all went by their full names. Nathaniel, Phillip, Andrew, Mathew, Thomas and so on. This is something that gay men are notorious for. If Judas was into women he would have gone by Jud. Mathew would have been Matt and Thomas would have been TommHis first miracle of turning water into wine. Please, wine?! A straight male would have made that crap a Bud Light and called it a day. But Jesus had class and taste, he converted that H2O into Sauvignon Blanc Jerusalem Valley 26 AD. Poof!History states that he was a craftsman until the age of 30. Some say that this translates into a carpenter. But for the sake of my theory I am saying that a craftsman was really an interior designer.He was 30 and not married and in those days people probably got married at 15.He preached the importance of charity and loving one another. Powerful straight men start wars and pay for sex while their wives are at home with the kids.Jesus had the power to do anything that he wanted. If this man were a heterosexual male, the wrecker of everything sacred he would have created a machine gun or the stock market. But the son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, used his heavenly power to heal the sick and give vision to the blind http://thoughtcatalog.com/ronnie-hafmerb/2013/01/7-rea I'm sorry, I didn't realize that being countercultural meant that someone was gay. There's reasons for each of the above, and altogether that list's argument stands on extremely shaky ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I'm sorry, I didn't realize that being countercultural meant that someone was gay. There's reasons for each of the above, and altogether that list's argument stands on extremely shaky ground. Jazzy you are always good for a laugh mate But seriously no one really knows what jesus's sexual orientation was, he certainly never condemned gay people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tortorella Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 How anyone with a functioning brain can believe in something that talks about their savior having homosexual relations with boys that used to be dead. I dont understand how people could not have the cognitive ability to see this. . It's possible that Jesus was gay Was Jesus queer? We don't know. But it is a possibility that cannot be ruled out. One version of St. Mark's gospel - which is still the subject of academic dispute - alludes to Jesus having a homosexual relationship with a youth he raised from the dead. According to the US Biblical scholar, Morton Smith, of Columbia University, a fragment of manuscript he found at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, showed that the full text of St. Mark chapter 10 (between verses 34 and 35 in the standard version of the Bible) includes the passage: "And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God". The veracity of this manuscript is hotly contested by other Biblical scholars. This comes as no surprise. The revelation of a gay Jesus would undermine some of the most fundamental tenets of orthodox Christianity, including its rampant homophobia. But even if the text is genuine, does this ambiguous, elliptical passage offer evidence of Jesus's homosexuality? It is hard to say. The precise nature of the relationship between Christ and the youth is not spelled out. Sexual relations are suggested but not explicitly stated. The Morton Smith document is, in fact, irrelevant to the vexed issue of Christ's sexual orientation. What we can say for certain is that the standard, accepted Biblical narrative gives us no information at all about Jesus's sexuality. This absence of firm information does not, of course, mean that we can take it for granted that Christ was heterosexual. Far from it! The lack of information about his erotic inclinations begs more questions than it answers. The truth is that we simply don't know whether Jesus was straight, gay, bisexual or celibate. There is certainly no evidence for the Church's unspoken presumption that he was either heterosexual or devoid of carnal desires. Since nothing in the Bible points to Christ having erotic feelings for women, or relationships with the female sex, the possibility of him being gay cannot be discounted. In the absence of any evidence - let alone proof - that Jesus was heterosexual, the theological basis of Church homophobia is all the more shaky and indefensible. How can established religion dare denounce homosexuality when the founder of its faith was himself a man of mysterious, unknown sexuality who could, for all we know, have been homosexual? The Bible tells us that Jesus was born a man and therefore presumably had male sexual feelings. It would have been more or less impossible, biologically, for him not to have an element of erotic arousal - even if only having the normal male response of waking with an erection. http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/jesus.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Some people are "offended" by homosexuality - yet it's okay for government buildings to display rainbow flags? Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not offended. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of it all and the HATE anti theists have - has absolutely nothing to do with being offended. You know that as well as I do. What next? Ban dogs on leashes from public places because some people don't like dogs? What about children? As drummer4now said, this PC crap has gone too far and people are now using it for their own agendas. Dogs are banned from various public places. I can't take my dog to certain parks, even if on leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 jesus might have been gay jizzy , he certainl9y fits the profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 This whole thread just makes me wanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 LOL at at the insipid comments that Jesus was gay! Both man and woman were created in His image. God is not human. Jesus is God, manifested in the flesh. God revealed Himself in masculine form to make it easier for us to grasp who He is and not get hung up on Him/Her. The Hebrew word ‘Jehovah’ is both masculine and feminine - but not homosexual/transgender...etc.... Gay is a "human" term. And anti theists think we (Christians) twist scripture to suit our needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 LOL at at the insipid comments that Jesus was gay! Both man and woman were created in His image. God is not human. Jesus is God, manifested in the flesh. God revealed Himself in masculine form to make it easier for us to grasp who He is and not get hung up on Him/Her. The Hebrew word ‘Jehovah’ is both masculine and feminine - but not homosexual/transgender...etc.... Gay is a "human" term. And anti theists think we (Christians) twist scripture to suit our needs. At least your scripture makes sense.. TIL: The Koran claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or 'clear,' but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims—and Orientalists—will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Koran is not comprehensible—if it can't even be understood in Arabic—then it's not translatable. People fear that. And since the Koran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is not—as even speakers of Arabic will tell you—there is a contradiction. Something else must be going on.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_R._Puin Interesting fact I learned.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 LOL at at the insipid comments that Jesus was gay! Both man and woman were created in His image. God is not human. God revealed Himself in masculine form to make it easier for us to grasp who He is and not get hung up on Him/Her. The Hebrew word ‘Jehovah’ is both masculine and feminine - but not homosexual/transgender...etc.... Gay is a "human" term. So Jesus was a hermaphrodite.......cool Human Term ? The only other species i could find that referenced the LGBT community was Klingon what i could find reads ‘rut nga’chuq loDpu’, rut nga’chuq be’pu’. yiqimHa’! Which translates to Some People Are Gay. Get Over It! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 So Jesus was a hermaphrodite.......cool Human Term ? The only other species i could find that referenced the LGBT community was Klingon what i could find reads ‘rut nga’chuq loDpu’, rut nga’chuq be’pu’. yiqimHa’! Which translates to Some People Are Gay. Get Over It! I don't think you get it. Jesus came down in male form and is referenced to as 'He' as a relatable quality, but God is neither male nor female. You're getting too distracted over terms to see the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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