SabreFan1 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 ugly contract .. he doesn't deserve that much The contract itself is fine. The overpayment is there, but the same kind of overpayments have been going on with free agents for years. The only ugly thing about it is that future non-superstar salaries just went up 1-2 million dollars. Also, if this kind of structured contract becomes the norm for high salaried players, poorer teams will have an even harder time competing with richer teams. I see another NHL lockout coming up if/when the owners try to fix this during the next CBA negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 Regarding escrow can you provide source for this information please. Very interesting info you just dug up. I'm sure you just didn't make that up. Totally takes the joy out of discussion when posters just make up facts. can you provide the link so I can read it and understand it as clearly as possible because I'm confused with the bolded part, $200k and $60k. Not getting across to me, guess I'm tired lol. So yeah link please thx. I'm very interested in how this works so more info the better. Regarding the structure of contract Pegula is not the only rich owner, most of them are billionaires. This structure is something the player would negotiate for and it's considered a win for him. At the end of day you can only spend to the cap and this contract structure won't change that fact unless he's bought out which isn't even on TM's radar, if it is he shouldn't have signed the player to a contract. No gm would think, oh wait I'm signing this guy to a $50 million contract, let me set it up so he gets all his money instead of 2/3 when I buy him out in 4 years. ROR is a 24 year old star player, I'm not sure why anyone would think he'd be a buy out candidate. He's premiere 2 way C who's game sense is sometimes compared to Datsyuk's. It's not the first time a contract has been structured this way, see Weber's contract. He's getting $68 million in bonus money from his contract and that was signed many years ago, so TM didn't just find a CBA loophole. He gave in to ROR's demand to pay his contract up front. This is a win win for ROR. Even if he was bought out it wold save around $2 mill per year on the cap so I wouldn't read too much into the buyout thing. I just re-read the escrow explanation. It looks like I read this part differently than it was meant; How would this work? Well, instead of delicately determining the salary cap before each season, create a salary cap mechanism free of fixed dollar values but instead focused on relative salary share. Intuitively, in a system where aggregate player salaries is not a fixed amount but rather a fixed portion of an amount to be determined (i.e. league revenue), shouldn’t individual player salaries also not be a fixed amount but rather a fixed portion of an amount to be determined (i.e. aggregate player salaries)? because the very next paragraph disproves what I thought was the case earlier: Let's get specific. Each team must spend between 700 (cap floor) and 1000 (cap ceiling) “salary units” each season. Subject to a minimum salary (say, 8 units), individual players can be signed for any number of units so long as each team in total spends somewhere in the 700-1000 range. League-wide, a total of between 21000-30000 units will be divvied out each season. This stuff can get confusing if you don't digest it properly while reading it. Here's the link to the article that you requested: http://nhlnumbers.com/2015/2/5/setting-the-salary-cap-the-zero-sum-game-and-how-to-fix-it *edit* So pretty much I think the article is saying what we all already know. There's a cap floor and a cap ceiling and the players can lose big money out of their contracts. It's the fixed amount that I misread. The fixed amount is the percentage and not the actual contract value itself. It's very dry reading so if you're tired, it will help you fall asleep... lol *2nd edit* ROR and Weber are pretty much screwing the rest of the leagues players over. Now I know what you mean by it was actually the agents that requested the contract this way and not just the Sabres. They made it attractive to GMTM with the low salary angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3. Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 He sure cashed in big time, I haven't seen him play enough to determine whether he is worth this or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 He sure cashed in big time, I haven't seen him play enough to determine whether he is worth this or not. It's the age of analytics now, and number crunching analysts love him. It's why ROR has the playing reputation that he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karlsson`s Flo Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 This will bite the Sabres in the ass down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 This will bite the Sabres in the ass down the road. I've used those exact words. The Sabres are jacking up the salary demands of their own player's future contracts in particular, and the rest of the league in general. The only good thing is that his contract is very trade and buyout friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7Nucks Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 So if he does get bought out how much money would he get? I am assuming they are banking on the hope he continues to produce or lose out on huge dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Kane-eichel-gionta Moulson-oreilly-ennis McGinn-girgensons-reinhart Deslaurier-legwand-foligno Mccormick That's a decent forward group, a lot of centres and that might throw the chemistry of a few lines outta sync but they're gonna make some noise this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 So if he does get bought out how much money would he get? I am assuming they are banking on the hope he continues to produce or lose out on huge dollars. He would get basically everything. His actually salary is only 1 million so buying him out would cost him next to nothing. This is really a move that will piss off owners, other gm`s and the players its just an incredible stupid move by a stupid gm. This GM admitted to tanking for McDavid which honestly if the NHL had the balls to enforce their rules should have costed them their first round draft pick in this years draft. You are not allowed to tank in the NHL and admitting to it is just flat out stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 He would get basically everything. His actually salary is only 1 million so buying him out would cost him next to nothing. This is really a move that will piss off owners, other gm`s and the players its just an incredible stupid move by a stupid gm. This GM admitted to tanking for McDavid which honestly if the NHL had the balls to enforce their rules should have costed them their first round draft pick in this years draft. You are not allowed to tank in the NHL and admitting to it is just flat out stupid. Stop crying. The Sabres tanked. Get over it. That was set in motion even before Murray came on board. It started with Darcy Regier and continued with Tim Murray. It is a very well known fact that Terry Pegula wanted McDavid badly as well. The move will piss off the other NHL owners. Who cares? Also, there is no one "rule" that is specific for tanking. That's why the next draft is set up on a whole new format. It discourages tanking. The rich teams will always agree to terms that favour their interests. If Aquaman has to sell a couple of his family's blueberry farms to make himself more "liquid" then he can do the same. It's the fans of the poorer teams that should be the ones crying in their soup about ROR's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Kane-eichel-gionta Moulson-oreilly-ennis McGinn-girgensons-reinhart Deslaurier-legwand-foligno Mccormick That's a decent forward group, a lot of centres and that might throw the chemistry of a few lines outta sync but they're gonna make some noise this year Eichel will start the season as the 2nd line centre. Kane and Eichel are both puck hogs (in a good way) so it's doubtful that they'll be on the same line. I also think it's very possible that they move Girgensons to the wing and put Reinhart in as a 3rd line centre. Other than that, your lineup looks as good as any others here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 So if he does get bought out how much money would he get? I am assuming they are banking on the hope he continues to produce or lose out on huge dollars. He gets nearly everything. That's why it's going to peeve off other team owners. You have to be able to comfortably gamble with millions of dollars. The cap hit on a buyout only comes to 667k/yr. if he were ever to be bought out. For the advantages that it offers, ROR's side shaved 500k off of the AAV so it would be more cap friendly each year. Even though he's getting overpaid, it's a brilliant way for agents/GM's to structure contracts if their owners are liquid and rich enough to take the gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeburn Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Kane-eichel-gionta Moulson-oreilly-ennis McGinn-girgensons-reinhart Deslaurier-legwand-foligno Mccormick That's a decent forward group, a lot of centres and that might throw the chemistry of a few lines outta sync but they're gonna make some noise this year Eichel will start the season as the 2nd line centre. Kane and Eichel are both puck hogs (in a good way) so it's doubtful that they'll be on the same line. I also think it's very possible that they move Girgensons to the wing and put Reinhart in as a 3rd line centre. Other than that, your lineup looks as good as any others here. Um, it's an interesting line up, but baring more moves (ie: that involve a kid like Larsson being shipped out) I'm not seeing the forward group unraveling that way at all. It's just hard to imagine Gionta in the top 6, Girgensens slipping into 3C, Legwand making the team over Larsson, or even Foligno falling in depth to McGinn. Admittedly though, in part I'm going off of what Murray theorized before the big O'Reilly trade (ie: that Foligno was part of the core to be built around, Girgensens' future being in the top 6, etc.). Also presuming Murray's comments on Eichel & Reinhart hold true, I could see one of them (Eichel?) eased as a top 6 wing and the other (Reinhart?) as the 3c, say flanked by the harder/heavier bodies of Foligno and Larsson. All I really care about though is seeing what Ennis can do without having Moulson locked to his ankle by default of other options. I like the little guy, he's speedy and never gives up, but he's still little and it'd be nice to see what he can do with some bigger and faster bodies. Besides, having Moulson The Floater on the other wing only puts more work onto their pivot to cover for both of Moulson & Ennis' defensive woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Um, it's an interesting line up, but baring more moves (ie: that involve a kid like Larsson being shipped out) I'm not seeing the forward group unraveling that way at all. It's just hard to imagine Gionta in the top 6, Girgensens slipping into 3C, Legwand making the team over Larsson, or even Foligno falling in depth to McGinn. Admittedly though, in part I'm going off of what Murray theorized before the big O'Reilly trade (ie: that Foligno was part of the core to be built around, Girgensens' future being in the top 6, etc.). Also presuming Murray's comments on Eichel & Reinhart hold true, I could see one of them (Eichel?) eased as a top 6 wing and the other (Reinhart?) as the 3c, say flanked by the harder/heavier bodies of Foligno and Larsson. All I really care about though is seeing what Ennis can do without having Moulson locked to his ankle by default of other options. I like the little guy, he's speedy and never gives up, but he's still little and it'd be nice to see what he can do with some bigger and faster bodies. Besides, having Moulson The Floater on the other wing only puts more work onto their pivot to cover for both of Moulson & Ennis' defensive woes. I agree. It's almost certain Eichel will be the 2C next year to ease him in. Here's what I see with what you said: ROR - Legwand - Ennis Kane - Girgensons - Eichel Moulson - Reinhart - Gionta McGinn - Larsson - Foligno That's a nice forward group if those combos work. I think Kane and O'Reilly are gonna be huge additions for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I agree. It's almost certain Eichel will be the 2C next year to ease him in. Here's what I see with what you said: ROR - Legwand - Ennis Kane - Girgensons - Eichel Moulson - Reinhart - Gionta McGinn - Larsson - Foligno That's a nice forward group if those combos work. I think Kane and O'Reilly are gonna be huge additions for Buffalo. Kane-ROR-Ennis Moulson-Eichel-Girgensons McGinn-Reinhart-Gionta Foligno-Larsson-Legwand Deslauriers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I agree. It's almost certain Eichel will be the 2C next year to ease him in. Here's what I see with what you said: ROR - Legwand - Ennis Kane - Girgensons - Eichel Moulson - Reinhart - Gionta McGinn - Larsson - Foligno That's a nice forward group if those combos work. I think Kane and O'Reilly are gonna be huge additions for Buffalo. Old man Legwand 1st line centre with ROR as a winger? Eichel on the wing? Bylsma has already said ROR & Eichel will be in the middle. You aren't allowed to guess at the Sabres line-up anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 He would get basically everything. His actually salary is only 1 million so buying him out would cost him next to nothing. This is really a move that will piss off owners, other gm`s and the players its just an incredible stupid move by a stupid gm. This GM admitted to tanking for McDavid which honestly if the NHL had the balls to enforce their rules should have costed them their first round draft pick in this years draft. You are not allowed to tank in the NHL and admitting to it is just flat out stupid. Completely agree. Terrible structure by idiot GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Outrageously bad contract. The guy is a second liner and probably will never be anything more. He isnt worth anywhere near that much money. Sabres are going to regret this when they have to sign their future core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuciano Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Less than two weeks after signing a seven year contract extension worth $52.5-million, Buffalo Sabres centre Ryan O’Reilly has been charged with impaired driving after a pickup truck collided with a Tim Hortons in Lucan, Ont. OPP announced Monday that O’Reilly, 24, from Bluewater, Ont., had been charged with driving a motor vehicle while ability impaired (alcohol) and care or control over 80 mgs. He was also charged under the Highway Traffic Act with failing to remain at the scene. http://www.am980.ca/2015/07/13/buffalo-sabres-centre-ryan-oreilly-charged-with-impaired-driving/?sc_ref=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Oh man. Terrible contract and now this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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